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#251
#251
bigorange34232 said:
How many coaches in history have won two national titles? It's a short list. Simply absurd? The championships speak for themselves.
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Let's play hypothetical. If Buzz Peterson somehow got the 5 of the top 10 players in this year's class and was guaranteed they would stay for two years, and won two national titles, would you say that Buzz was a top-5 coach?
 
#252
#252
tvolsfan said:
I'm sure they look very nice in the trophy case, and I'm sure the players on the team and Gator fans are very grateful, as I would be as well. I'm just not assuming he's going to bring in anything more.
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Considering he had one of the greatest frontlines ever with Brewer, Horford, and Noah...along with Richard off the bench...it's not THAT impressive.
 
#253
#253
tvolsfan said:
Nothing I've seen makes me think he's anything special. He got lucky, and did a nice job with the opportunity he had. Feel free to keep waiting for something else to happen.
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The problem with that man is that it is your opinion. I think there are better X's and O guys but THE RECORD SPEAKS FOR IT'S SELF. He has won consistently in his short time(compared to Boeheim or others) at Florida.
 
#254
#254
Donovan is not top 5 but he is also not done or an idiot. He is a top 10 coach who got lazy after winning a national title twice in a row. He counted on calathes staying and was wrong. Look at the talent in his classes 2009 2010 2011 he is going to get back to the sweet 16 and farther very soon.

Williams and calhoun looked rick barnes like this year. If pearl missed the tournament with that much talent on his roster there would daily sacrifices offered to bring back kevin o and fire our loser coach.

Calipari...this thread contains the hilarity of a guy trying to say cal should get props for an elite 8 run with an untalented team. That roster had 4 nba players on it...

Cal showed multiple times this year that he is not close to being a top 5 coach because he is such a liability with xs and os. You give me the roster of oak hill and have me play hardin valley middle and I will look pretty good. Continuing to shoot 3s against wvu and not pressing a team with 1 not great pg was horrible...
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#255
#255
bigorange34232 said:
The problem with that man is that it is your opinion. I think there are better X's and O guys but THE RECORD SPEAKS FOR IT'S SELF. He has won consistently in his short time(compared to Boeheim or others) at Florida.
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Uh, no. Thanks for playing.

And "It'sSelf"? Seriously?
 
#256
#256
TN-gator-HATER said:
So you know that Coach K wouldnt take on John Wall and Demarcus Cousins? LOL ok. Izzo hasnt amassed talent? 2000 team of Jason richardson, Charlie Bell, Morris Peterson and Mateen Cleaves isnt "that Kind of talent" ?
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1. Yes, he knows that K wouldn't have taken on those guys because K has publicly made statements to that effect.
2. Further, point #1 only comes into play if you assume that K could have landed the kind of class Calipari landed. And that would be an incorrect assumption.

3. Show me an Izzo recruiting class equivalent to Calipari's last class. Take as much time as you need.
 
#257
#257
TN-gator-HATER said:
So you know that Coach K wouldnt take on John Wall and Demarcus Cousins? LOL ok. Izzo hasnt amassed talent? 2000 team of Jason richardson, Charlie Bell, Morris Peterson, Zach Randolph, and Mateen Cleaves isnt "that Kind of talent" ? If that isnt talent then i dont know what is......
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I know for sure on K. 2000 team was solid, but only one a true NBAer.
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#258
#258
bigorange34232 said:
How many coaches in history have won two national titles? It's a short list. Simply absurd? The championships speak for themselves.
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Wooden, Rupp, Krzyzewski, Knight, Smith, Williams, Calhoun, Crum, Donovan, Jucker, Iba, Woolpert, McCracken.
 
#259
#259
BigPapaVol said:
This is a miss. k had the horses at one time, but made a specific and painful decision to move away from the one and done types after Maggette and Avery. He hasn't had the horses since.

Izzo has never had them.
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2000 : Jason Richardson, Zach Randolph, Morris Peterson, Charlie Bell, and Mateen Cleaves beg to differ and have a championship ring they would like to show you....
 
#260
#260
zjcvols said:
Considering he had one of the greatest frontlines ever with Brewer, Horford, and Noah...along with Richard off the bench...it's not THAT impressive.
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HE RECRUITED THEM TO GO THERE!!!!!!!!!!! Do you think those players just appeared out of thin air????????????? Recruiting is part of coaching.
 
#261
#261
TN-gator-HATER said:
So you know that Coach K wouldnt take on John Wall and Demarcus Cousins? LOL ok. Izzo hasnt amassed talent? 2000 team of Jason richardson, Charlie Bell, Morris Peterson, Zach Randolph, and Mateen Cleaves isnt "that Kind of talent" ? If that isnt talent then i dont know what is......
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He didn't even try to recruit them. Why do you think that is?
 
#262
#262
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Donovan is not top 5 but he is also not done or an idiot. He is a top 10 coach who got lazy after winning a national title twice in a row. He counted on calathes staying and was wrong. Look at the talent in his classes 2009 2010 2011 he is going to get back to the sweet 16 and farther very soon.
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Donovan is done and nowhere near a Top 10 coach.

EDIT: Looks like MHF and bigorange34232 are the leaders of the Billy Donovan Fan Club.
 
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#263
#263
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Donovan is not top 5 but he is also not done or an idiot. He is a top 10 coach who got lazy after winning a national title twice in a row. He counted on calathes staying and was wrong. Look at the talent in his classes 2009 2010 2011 he is going to get back to the sweet 16 and farther very soon.

Williams and calhoun looked rick barnes like this year. If pearl missed the tournament with that much talent on his roster there would daily sacrifices offered to bring back kevin o and fire our loser coach.

Calipari...this thread contains the hilarity of a guy trying to say cal should get props for an elite 8 run with an untalented team. That roster had 4 nba players on it...

Cal showed multiple times this year that he is not close to being a top 5 coach because he is such a liability with xs and os. You give me the roster of oak hill and have me play hardin valley middle and I will look pretty good. Continuing to shoot 3s against wvu and not pressing a team with 1 not great pg was horrible...
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I don't expect Donovan to have a Final Four appearance anytime soon.

Cal is not a great X's/O's guy. And he did terrible with the WVU game. He looked over Huggins and that team.

Roy Williams is an excellent coach. What he needs is people who play defense. It's his goal to find it.

Rick Barnes is the most overrated coach in the country.
 
#265
#265
bigorange34232 said:
The problem with that man is that it is your opinion. I think there are better X's and O guys but THE RECORD SPEAKS FOR IT'S SELF. He has won consistently in his short time(compared to Boeheim or others) at Florida.
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Give it up man, Donovan is a decent coach...yes he won back to back titles...great accomplishment.

He also had a team that was absolutely loaded, two years running.

He did a good job managing that talent, I will give him that. Chances are he won't win the SEC again ( regular or tourney ) or make a deep run in the NCAA's again.

I honestly think he will be coaching somewhere else within 2 years.
 
#266
#266
bigorange34232 said:
HE RECRUITED THEM TO GO THERE!!!!!!!!!!! Do you think those players just appeared out of thin air????????????? Recruiting is part of coaching.
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I'm not denying that. Good job finding those guys. I think a lot of coaches would have won two national titles with that team had they been able to sign them though. Yet other than those three guys, name me some more players he has recruited and put in the pro's that have been successful other than those three and Udonis Haslem. He had one great class. Other than that, not that impressive.
 
#267
#267
BigPapaVol said:
I know for sure on K. 2000 team was solid, but only one a true NBAer.
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Actually, you must not watch the NBA, because all of these players play signifigant minutes on a nightly basis or start except for Cleaves which is no longer in the NBA. Randolph-Memphis, Bell-Milwaukee, Peterson-New Orleans, Richardson-Suns
 
#271
#271
I'm obviously not a Florida fan but Donovan has 3 Final Four appearances and 2 National titles...When you see any Top 5 or Top 10 coaches lists you will usually see Jim Calhoun or Jim Boeheim listed...Now, I have no idea if Donovan will ever win another National Title or not...He only has 16 years in the game but compared to Calhoun's (38 yrs 3 FFs & 2 NTs) and Boeheim's (34 yrs 3 FFs & 1 NT) numbers how can you leave him off the list??....I'm thinking National Titles would be an important benchmark to use ??...If those 2 National Titles were "aberrations" as one poster pointed out, then I sure would like to see Tennessee have an aberration or two...Oh, and Donovan has as many titles as Roy Williams has and Williams routinely has better material to work with....

What I'm saying is, with Donovan's numbers in relation to other very successful coaches, how can anyone just dismiss what he has done as "aberrations" or "luck"??..Winning 1 title is hard enough (Self 1 FF & 1 NT in 17 yrs of coaching) or even Izzo ( 6 FFs & 1 NT in 15 yrs of coaching) let alone back-to-back titles...He didn't just roll the balls out in practice and then just let the players do their thing in the games...

Do I think Donovan is a Top 5 coach right now ??....Do I think he is a better coach than say a Jay Wright ??...No on both counts...But for those two seasons he was pretty damn good...
 
#272
#272
TN-gator-HATER said:
Actually, you must not watch the NBA, because all of these players play signifigant minutes on a nightly basis or start except for Cleaves which is no longer in the NBA. Randolph-Memphis, Bell-Milwaukee, Peterson-New Orleans, Richardson-Suns
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I asked which were the lottery types. You know, one and done style. Did they have 3?
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#274
#274
VolNC2316 said:
I'm obviously not a Florida fan but Donovan has 3 Final Four appearances and 2 National titles...When you see any Top 5 or Top 10 coaches lists you will usually see Jim Calhoun or Jim Boeheim listed...Now, I have no idea if Donovan will ever win another National Title or not...He only has 16 years in the game but compared to Calhoun's (38 yrs 3 FFs & 2 NTs) and Boeheim's (34 yrs 3 FFs & 1 NT) numbers how can you leave him off the list??....I'm thinking National Titles would be an important benchmark to use ??...If those 2 National Titles were "aberrations" as one poster pointed out, then I sure would like to see Tennessee have an aberration or two...Oh, and Donovan has as many titles as Roy Williams has and Williams routinely has better material to work with....

What I'm saying is, with Donovan's numbers in relation to other very successful coaches, how can anyone just dismiss what he has done as "aberrations" or "luck"??..Winning 1 title is hard enough (Self 1 FF & 1 NT in 17 yrs of coaching) or even Izzo ( 6 FFs & 1 NT in 15 yrs of coaching) let alone back-to-back titles...He didn't just roll the balls out in practice and then just let the players do their thing in the games...

Do I think Donovan is a Top 5 coach right now ??....Do I think he is a better coach than say a Jay Wright ??...No on both counts...But for those two seasons he was pretty damn good...
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No, his team was pretty damn good. Have you watched them since then...nothing to write home about.
 
#275
#275
I think over the next 3 years donovan wins 6 ncaa games minimum. I think you guys have not seen his classes coming in or do not understand them. When the curse of starting dan werner is over, donovan will be back. Boynton and patric will win plenty next year and even without a front court he managed to beat izzo...

I also hate coach ks guts...he is definitely a top 10 coach but I do not think he is top 5.

Dixon and howland are very good coaches, obviously I like the boeheim and self coaching jobs done...

Cal is the most overrated coach in this thread by a lot. Barnes is a joke...give pearl durant that year and see what he does with that roster
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