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#376
#376
zjcvols said:
I really don't understand how 20-25 wins at UWM is impressive overall.
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I would submit that Pearl has done more with less than Calhoun already...

Calhoun was 50 in 1992.

He had already coached or had on his roster these NBA guys
# 1987: Reggie Lewis – Boston Celtics captain
# 1989: Clifford Robinson – Portland Trail Blazers
# 1990: Tate George – New Jersey Nets
# 1992: Chris Smith – Minnesota Timberwolves
# 1993: Scott Burrell – Charlotte Hornets
I am not sure if D Marshall was on the roster in 92 or not.

72-86 at Northeastern he succeeded at DII with them and then moved to D1.
Northeastern: 250–137 95–24 That was his record and he never got beyond the second round of the tournament. Not as impressive as Pearl at UWM...

He goes to UConn and with some great talent (see above..) he does this:
1986–1987 Connecticut 9–19 3–13 T-8th
1987–1988 Connecticut 20–14 4–12 9th NIT Champions
1988–1989 Connecticut 18–13 6–10 T-7th NIT Quarterfinals
1989–1990 Connecticut 31–6 12–4 T-1st NCAA Elite Eight
1990–1991 Connecticut 20–11 9–7 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1991–1992 Connecticut 20–10 10–8 T-3rd NCAA Second Round

So less success at that point in his life than Pearl in the tournament and it is not even close.

I will be happy if Pearl sticks around for another 20 years like Calhoun has, but I will be pissed if we have to vacate a season like UConn did. 2 titles will be just great thanks very much!
 
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#377
#377
hatvol96 said:
That's the problem with looking at overall winning percentages for coaches. Seeing Mark Few at or near the top of the list for active coaches shows that. Comparing wins in the WCC or the Horizon to those in the Big East or ACC is like comparing being mayor of Maryville to being President.
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This is the guy who said that the NCAA results are all that matters. The Big East sure showed those other leagues whats what...ha.
 
#380
#380
MikeHamiltonFan said:
I would submit that Pearl has done more with less than Calhoun already...

Calhoun was 50 in 1992.

He had already coached or had on his roster these NBA guys
# 1987: Reggie Lewis – Boston Celtics captain
# 1989: Clifford Robinson – Portland Trail Blazers
# 1990: Tate George – New Jersey Nets
# 1992: Chris Smith – Minnesota Timberwolves
# 1993: Scott Burrell – Charlotte Hornets
I am not sure if D Marshall was on the roster in 92 or not.

72-86 at Northeastern he succeeded at DII with them and then moved to D1.
Northeastern: 250–137 95–24 That was his record and he never got beyond the second round of the tournament. Not as impressive as Pearl at UWM...

He goes to UConn and with some great talent (see above..) he does this:
1986–1987 Connecticut 9–19 3–13 T-8th
1987–1988 Connecticut 20–14 4–12 9th NIT Champions
1988–1989 Connecticut 18–13 6–10 T-7th NIT Quarterfinals
1989–1990 Connecticut 31–6 12–4 T-1st NCAA Elite Eight
1990–1991 Connecticut 20–11 9–7 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1991–1992 Connecticut 20–10 10–8 T-3rd NCAA Second Round

So less success at that point in his life than Pearl in the tournament and it is not even close.

I will be happy if Pearl sticks around for another 20 years like Calhoun has, but I will be pissed if we have to vacate a season like UConn did. 2 titles will be just great thanks very much!
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I'm not saying whether Pearl or Calhoun had more success from the beginning. I don't know how bad of shape UConn was as a program. You still can't make the assumption Pearl is going to lead us to the National Title.
 
#381
#381
bigorange34232 said:
That is yet to be seen if it was abberation. That is opinion as of now. I'm saying if you line up winning percentages, titles, recruiting, nba players, sec titles, things that are facts. There is no way you can't say he isn't a top 5 active coach.
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why don't you just come out and say it, you troll... you are billy donovan...
 
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#382
For anybody to be the No. 1 coach in the nation, they have to be good at all aspects of coaching. Therefore, anyone who more than likely will never win a national title because he's such a strategic incompetent that he couldn't coach himself up a tuna sandwich cannot, by definition, be the best coach in the nation.

Now, I will admit that recruiting might actually be more important than gameday coaching. I was about to say that it wasn't, but come to think of it, if anybody were as bad at recruiting as Cal is at gameday coaching, not only would they not be able to get a coaching job anywhere. They wouldn't be able to get a job at Fox Sports Net analyzing Pac-10 basketball.

That Kansas-Memphis title game is the holy grail of mind-numbingly stupid coaching, and I can't imagine that it won't remain so for a very long time. John Calipari absolutely cost his team a national championship. It is entirely his fault and no one else's that Memphis doesn't have one (although they would've had to abandon it later). If Calipari had been removed from duty and Memphis had inserted a Labrador retriever to coach the last 10 minutes of that game, they would have won it.

Also, the WVU loss last week was particularly awful, as well, and it's only because of the thunderous idiocy of the Kansas-Memphis game that we don't appreciate how incompetently coached that game was, too.

He might actually be the worst major college gameday coach I have ever seen. He is absolutely the worst blue-blood program gameday coach I have ever seen, and that is not even close.
 
#386
#386
where does everybody think pearl should have been in the coaches of the year ballot,i think he should have been up there with the work he did when we only had 7 scholars and beat kansas.
 
#387
#387
I'm bored, so here is the list in order.

John Calipari
Bill Self
Mike Krzyzewski
Roy Williams
Tom Izzo
Rick Pitino
Jim Calhoun
Bob Huggins
Jim Boeheim
Billy Donovan
Ben Howland
Jamie Dixon
Bo Ryan
Mike Montgomery
Gary Williams
Tubby Smith
Jay Wright
Lon Kruger
John Thompson
Bruce Weber
Jim Larranaga
Thad Matta
Mike Brey
Bruce Pearl
Rick Majerus
Rick Barnes
Kevin Stallings
Tom Crean
Mark Few
Herb Sendek
Mike Anderson
Steve Alford
Matt Painter
Oliver Purnell
Bill Carmody
John Beilein
Leonard Hamilton
Sean Miller
Dana Altman
Dave Rose
Lorenzo Romar
Tony Bennett
Al Skinner
Fran Dunphy
Fran McCaffery
Mark Turgeon
Seth Greenberg
Bob McKillop
Stew Morrill
Phil Martelli
 
#391
#391
hatvol96 said:
No, I saw the game. Memphis beats them by 40 if they had kept the hammer down.
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My response wasn't really about that post. It was just the first post I saw by you implying Cal was a better coach than Izzo.

Give Izzo that team or this years Kentucky team and I am not sure anyone comes close to beating them in the tournament.
 
#392
#392
It's eerie how similar Bo Ryan and Bruce Pearl's careers are, even down to the UWM stop and their level of early success at their first big job. That's where I'd make the cutoff and put Bruce.

Hopefully Bruce can have a better second stage at UT than Bo has had at Wisconsin. I can't think of an NBAer Bo has had other than Devin Harris, so that's an area I think Bruce may beat him in.
 
#393
#393
dickens821 said:
My response wasn't really about that post. It was just the first post I saw by you implying Cal was a better coach than Izzo.

Give Izzo that team or this years Kentucky team and I am not sure anyone comes close to beating them in the tournament.
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How does pointing out the one time they've played Cal's team destroyed Izzo's imply anything? It's fact. I just threw that out because everyone was acting as if there would be no possible way John Calipari could ever possibly beat Tom Izzo in the NCAA Tournament.
 
#394
#394
Titanic said:
It's eerie how similar Bo Ryan and Bruce Pearl's careers are, even down to the UWM stop and their level of early success at their first big job. That's where I'd make the cutoff and put Bruce.

Hopefully Bruce can have a better second stage at UT than Bo has had at Wisconsin. I can't think of an NBAer Bo has had other than Devin Harris, so that's an area I think Bruce may beat him in.
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Although Ryan was better in the non-D1 level. I grew up 10 minutes from his Platteville teams and they were ridiculous.
 
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#395
hatvol96 said:
How does pointing out the one time they've played Cal's team destroyed Izzo's imply anything? It's fact. I just threw that out because everyone was acting as if there would be no possible way John Calipari could ever possibly beat Tom Izzo in the NCAA Tournament.
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Give them equal talent, and I'm not sure he could. But cheating is a part of college athletics and Calipari is a master.
 
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#396
Looking at the list again, there are some guys in that 50 I wouldn't put in a top 250.
 
#397
#397
kidbourbon said:
Is the ranking limited to bench-coaching acumen? If so, then I have no beef with it.

This is kinda fun: Assume that you are an AD of a hypothetical university that is about to start a basketball program. You can hire any coach. Make your list.

Pearl is higher than #24 on my list, but probably not much higher (I haven't actually assembled this list). Calipari is at the top of my list.

If we make the hypothetical even more hypothetical and assume that we can hire coaches at a previous age, I'd take a 15-years-younger Pitino over any coach in history.
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As a hypothetical AD, Calipari would not be my top pick because every school he's coached has ended up on probation.

My top candidates would be Tom Izzo, the kid from Memphis, and probably Huggy Bear.
 
#398
#398
dickens821 said:
Give them equal talent, and I'm not sure he could. But cheating is a part of college athletics and Calipari is a master.
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Here's a hypothetical for you:
Would you still have the same opinion of Calipari if he were coach of the Vols? I have a feeling that the same people who constantly call him "dirty" and "a slimeball" would defend him to the death if he were our coach.
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#399
#399
Bo Ryan
Mike Montgomery
Tubby Smith
Lon Kruger
John Thompson
Bruce Weber
Jim Larranaga
Thad Matta
Mike Brey

No way would I put these guys in front of Pearl...especially Larranaga and Weber. Larranaga has one FF. That doesn't make him a top 25 coach.
 
#400
#400
orangetanker11 said:
Here's a hypothetical for you:
Would you still have the same opinion of Calipari if he were coach of the Vols? I have a feeling that the same people who constantly call him "dirty" and "a slimeball" would defend him to the death if he were our coach.
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I love how fans will call him slime when our own basketball coach cheated on his wife.
 
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