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#152
bigorange34232 said:
I don't think you understand. Im saying donovan is top 5. I'm not comparing him to Izzo, I never said he was better than Izzo. Izzo is top 2 or 3 Donovan is top 5. Anything else to clear up?
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Why don't you clear up how Donovan is a better coach than Coach K, Bob Huggins, et al?
 
#154
#154
I don't think there should really be an argument where Bruce is at. I could see him about 5 spots higher, but he's a top 25 coach.
 
#155
#155
Sudeepvol said:
I used to also believe Donovan was a pretty damn good coach after those two titles. But after looking more closely at what he's done immediately before those titles and after them, I realized it was just an abberation. He was lucky enough to haul in that recruiting class AND lucky enough that they all bypassed the NBA draft after the first title.
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That is yet to be seen if it was abberation. That is opinion as of now. I'm saying if you line up winning percentages, titles, recruiting, nba players, sec titles, things that are facts. There is no way you can't say he isn't a top 5 active coach.
 
#157
#157
bigorange34232 said:
I don't think you understand. Im saying donovan is top 5. I'm not comparing him to Izzo, I never said he was better than Izzo. Izzo is top 2 or 3 Donovan is top 5. Anything else to clear up?
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Coach K, Izzo, Roy Williams, Boeheim, Huggins, Gary Williams, Pitino, Self, etc.....
Exactly who out of these top coaches, (in no particular order) would you replace with Donovan? please enlighten me

Donovan IS NOT BETTER than ANY of these coaches........PERIOD
 
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#158
B-Stizzy said:
Hat, in your opinion. Brad Stevens or Mark Few?
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Stevens, and it's not close. Dan Monson got Gonzaga deeper into the tournament than Few has. Mark Few's alleged genius is one of the great frauds in college basketball. He's a good coach who has dominated a mediocre league, nothing more. Xavier and Butler have accomplished more the Gonzaga in the last decade. They aren't even the model mid major, as people try to portray them.
 
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#159
bigorange34232 said:
That is yet to be seen if it was abberation. That is opinion as of now. I'm saying if you line up winning percentages, titles, recruiting, nba players, sec titles, things that are facts. There is no way you can't say he isn't a top 5 active coach.
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Izzo, Williams, K, Self, Boeheim.

Are you seriously going to argue he's better than any of those?
 
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#160
hatvol96 said:
Stevens, and it's not close. Dan Monson got Gonzaga deeper into the tournament than Few has. Mark Few's alleged genius is one of the great frauds in college basketball. He's a good coach who has dominated a mediocre league, nothing more. Xavier and Butler have accomplished more the Gonzaga in the last decade. They aren't even the model mid major, as people try to portray them.
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How long until we see Stevens make the major leap into a big conference/program? To be more detailed, would he be on the short list for schools say at the top of the Big East, ACC, Big 12 , if a HC job became available within the next year or so?
 
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#161
braths said:
Why don't you clear up how Donovan is a better coach than Coach K, Bob Huggins, et al?
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Well considering this is Huggins 2nd final four in 25 years compared to 3 final fours in 16 years I think that argument is already made. To make this simpler I will list my top 5 is anyone should go above Donovan then we will compare. An argument could be made for Pitino but thats bout it.

1. Tom Izzo
2. Coack K
3. Roy Williams
4. Billy Donovan
5. Rick Pitino 5A. Jamie Dixon
 
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#162
bigorange34232 said:
Well considering this is Huggins 2nd final four in 25 years compared to 3 final fours in 16 years I think that argument is already made. To make this simpler I will list my top 5 is anyone should go above Donovan then we will compare. An argument could be made for Pitino but thats bout it.

1. Tom Izzo
2. Coack K
3. Roy Williams
4. Billy Donovan
5. Rick Pitino 5A. Jamie Dixon
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Not even close to accurate. Let me help:

1) Izzo
2) Coach K
3) Huggins
4) Boeheim
4a) Williams
5) Pitino
5a) Self
 
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#163
B-Stizzy said:
How long until we see Stevens make the major leap into a big conference/program? To be more detailed, would he be on the short list for schools say at the top of the Big East, ACC, Big 12 , if a HC job became available within the next year or so?
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After the way Barry Collier and Todd Lickliter crashed and burned, I'd say Stevens will be very wary about leaving Butler. It'll take a really good job to get him to move.
 
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#164
#164
I'll play:

1. Tom Izzo
2. Coach K
3. Roy Williams
4. Jim Calhoun
5. Bill Self
6. Rick Pitino
7. Jim Boeheim
8. John Calipari
9. Bob Huggins
10. Ben Howland
11. Jamie Dixon
12. Brad Stevens
 
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TN-gator-HATER said:
So hypothetically, if you were hiring a coach you wouldnt look at the candidates resumes when making your choice? You would only look at recent accomplishments?

Also, are you trying to say that Kentucky wouldnt have been as good as they were with Coach K or Izzo at the helm?

Im pretty sure both of these coaches are in the Final 4 right now with less talent than Cal had this year......[/QUOTE]

Yes, that is precisely what I'm saying.

I'm pretty sure both Duke and Michigan State made the NCAA tournament last year. I'm pretty sure Kentucky was a 4th seed in the NIT.
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#166
The Boeheim love in this amazes me, especially when Calhoun is almost universally omitted. I don't like either, but i wouldnt consider Boeheim over Calhoun.

Howland has been omitted as well.
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#167
hatvol96 said:
After the way Barry Collier and Todd Lickliter crashed and burned, I'd say Stevens will be very wary about leavubg Butler. It'll take a really good job to get him to move.
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So would it be a better idea for him to go to a premier league and coach a lower valued team with less expectations and try to build a program, or wait for the big time gig and only have a few years to collect the success that program would expect?
 
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#168
BigPapaVol said:
The Boeheim love in this amazes me, especially when Calhoun is almost universally omitted. I don't like either, but i wouldnt consider Boeheim over Calhoun.

Howland has been omitted as well.
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Calhoun is universally undervalued. The Tennessee program Pearl inherited was Duke compared to what Calhoun took over in Storrs.
 
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#169
B-Stizzy said:
So would it be a better idea for him to go to a premier league and coach a lower valued team with less expectations and try to build a program, or wait for the big time gig and only have a few years to collect the success that program would expect?
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Why would you go coach at Iowa State or DePaul when you are in the Final Four where you are?
 
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#170
TN-gator-HATER said:
KIDBOURBON, I'm still patiently awaiting your response and your brilliant logic behind this statement. Please enlighten me........
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I sincerely apologize for the delay. I had to step away from the computer.

My response is several posts above this one.
 
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#171
zjcvols said:
I'll play:

1. Tom Izzo
2. Coach K
3. Roy Williams
4. Jim Calhoun
5. Bill Self
6. Rick Pitino
7. Jim Boeheim
8. John Calipari
9. Bob Huggins
10. Brad Stevens
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Stevens over Pearl, Howland, Montgomery, stansbury, Anderson, Crean, Dixon, Wright, etc baffles me. So far, he has caught lightning in a bottle. Let him roll a while.
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#174
#174
Look, here's the reason you don't want Calipari as a coach.

I am pretty good at recognizing and it's pretty plain to see that Calipari is a fake, fraud and phony. Disingenuous coaches don't bother me, it's part of the game. You're not interested in a job, but really are....blah, blah. Bruce Pearl, Nick Saban, Lane Kiffin, etc. are disingenuous and who cares, really? I don't care if Pearl cheated on his wife, Pitino screwed a woman on a restaurant table (though classic) or Huggins got a DUI unless it actually affects me.

However, it would bother me if the coach:

-told everyone he was "meditating" on his job, while secretly seeing if he could shore up already committed and signed recruits for his new job

-playing the pious do-gooder, while having the most notorious bag man (the Nike exec/agent sitting a few rows behind the UK bench) since Sam Gilbert delivering me shady recruits that can barely read and have academic records so suspect the local schools wouldn't touch them

-despite all the glitz, actually sucks as a game day coach, noted by the fact that Memphis did nothing until the big dogs left CUSA and the panic attacks during the tournament when facing an actual challenge. The lack of coaching in the final 10 minutes of the WVU was a debacle any 6th grade girls coach could have avoided, or at least without looking clueless on the sidelines.

-left a trail of NCAA violations and pissed off fans.

There's so much more, but anyone who puts Cal as #1 is a bonified idiot. He's a (mirage of a) short time solution with long term problems. There's not a chance I would want him ruining my program.
 
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#175
BigPapaVol said:
Stevens over Pearl, Howland, Montgomery, stansbury, Anderson, Crean, Dixon, Wright, etc baffles me. So far, he has caught lightning in a bottle. Let him roll a while.
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I know what you are saying. I totally forgot about Howland and I'm ashamed. That is my fault. I will edit that. He should be over Stevens easy.

But I really love what Stevens has done. Maybe it's a little bit from the FF, but his in-game coaching is absolutely solid. I was impressed watching his team play.
 
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