Colin Powell to endorse Obama....developing

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truefan said:
The frail attempts to belittle this endorsement and discredit Powell are laughable and quite frankly, pathetic. This IS what it IS: a ringing endorsement from one of our most respected leaders of the last 25 years. An attempt to spin in any other way is influenced by ignorance, jealousy and hatred. Plain and simple.
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You think my comments about Powell are steeped in ignorance only because you are ignorant. I have some small amount of firsthand knowledge about the topic, enough such that I even did a leadership thesis in grad school about the exact two men that I've discussed in this thread.
 
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MG1968 said:
3 weeks from the election
everyone saw it coming

I think Powell waited until he could find cover in the polls, had they been indicating a McCain landslide, Powell likely would have remained silent, content to be a RINO.

To his credit, you will never hear Powell take a cheap shot at McCain similar to the one by Weasley Clark.
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Powell is no Republican. If he were, he would have run against Clinton in 96, but he couldn't stomach being on a Repub ticket.

In the end, I'm shocked that any one of you touting this as a big endorsement is pretending that this is anything but race related. Powell would have supported other, less liberal candidates prior, if it were anything else, but he hasn't.

Trying to imply that this says something about belief in Obama regarding the military is silliness. It's pure politics of race.
 
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TennNC said:
Maybe not. But he appeals to independents, and that's why his endorsement isn't insignificant.
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I didn't say it's insignificant. I said it shouldn't be taken as some proclamation that Obama is something he isn't. It's a race driven decision on the part of Powell and it is definitely significant, but it isn't the military endorsement it's being portrayed as. It's similar to the Wes Clark gibberish, only different.:)
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Powell is no Republican. If he were, he would have run against Clinton in 96, but he couldn't stomach being on a Repub ticket.
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He served as secretary of state in a Republican administration. I'm not sure a democrat has ever done that before. The whole UN Iraq thing, IMO, was just him being a soldier and doing what he was asked. There is a reason he jumped ship after the first term. Of course it is only speculation on my part, but I would bet he at least knew the intelligence was very flimsy, at best.

And I think the only reason he hasn't run for president is because he doesn't want the job...which probably makes him the best man for it.

I see no evidence for this being race related. He simply thinks the republican party has moved too far to the right.
 
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this whole recommendation is about powell. he could have done this along time ago. he sees a chance for the lime light and he took it.
 
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rjd970 said:
He served as secretary of state in a Republican administration. I'm not sure a democrat has ever done that before. The whole UN Iraq thing, IMO, was just him being a soldier and doing what he was asked. There is a reason he jumped ship after the first term. Of course it is only speculation on my part, but I would bet he at least knew the intelligence was very flimsy, at best.

I think you're probably right on the Iraq intel and the public embarrassment is the reason he bowed out. I served under a Repub because he was asked and it was a smart appointment, but be was at odds with the admin. the entire time because he has absolute philosophy differences with conservatives and any cut and dried policy.

 And I think the only reason he hasn't run for president is because he doesn't want the job...which probably makes him the best man for it.

probably a good point, but presidents are decision makers. Powell is a fence sitter and not a decision maker. Carter's utter failure was inability to make a tough decision. The same problem would likely hinder Powell. Hardcore decision makers can be a problem too, but not if they can think, unlike the current inhabitant of the WH.

I see no evidence for this being race related. He simply thinks the republican party has moved too far to the right.
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No evidence for race relatedness here. Which other hardcore lefty has Powell ever supported or voiced any support for?

Only other explanation, aside from the trash he said this weekend would be agreement on Iraq. If Powell is making this decision based upon old news and a purely political decision by Obama, he deserves respect from no quarter.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
No evidence for race relatedness here. Which other hardcore lefty has Powell ever supported or voiced any support for?
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You missed the point. Instead of looking at other lefty candidates he did (or didn't, whatever) support...the issue should be on what he thinks of the direction the Rebuplican party has taken us over the last 8 years. I don't think it is race related, it think it is a referendum on the republican party. Call me crazy, but I could see him endorsing Hillary at this point too.

I do agree with your assessment that he had philosophical differences with the admin and that is why he is endorsing Obama. The way the war was sold to the public, torture, civil liberties, and foreign policy would be the notable ones. I think he subscribes to traditional conservative values on domestic, economic, and foreign policy...which, I am sorry to say, this admin failed at miserably. There is very little difference with McCain with this respect, especially the foreign policy part, and that is why Obama got his endorsement.

I think it is especially shortsighted to assert that this is somehow race related. It is policy related.
 
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rjd970 said:
You missed the point. Instead of looking at other lefty candidates he did (or didn't, whatever) support...the issue should be on what he thinks of the direction the Rebuplican party has taken us over the last 8 years. I don't think it is race related, it think it is a referendum on the republican party. Call me crazy, but I could see him endorsing Hillary at this point too.

I do agree with your assessment that he had philosophical differences with the admin and that is why he is endorsing Obama. The way the war was sold to the public, torture, civil liberties, and foreign policy would be the notable ones. I think he subscribes to traditional conservative values on domestic, economic, and foreign policy...which, I am sorry to say, this admin failed at miserably. There is very little difference with McCain with this respect, especially the foreign policy part, and that is why Obama got his endorsement.

I think it is especially shortsighted to assert that this is somehow race related. It is policy related.
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call me shortsighted. The repub party is nowhere near as right today as it was when he took the Secretary of State gig. The Christian Coalition has lost much of its voice. The Newt Gingrich crew has filtered its way out of power and a RINO is at the head of the ticket. Trying to rationalize Powell's decision by saying he's concerned that the party is too far right just doesn't mesh with the fact that the party is decidedly left of where it was 8 years ago.
 
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MG1968 said:
name one country in the free world that has a strictly consumption based tax system for generating revenues to the federal treasury. I know the US doesn't use a consumption tax, or Fair Tax, but it should.

the progressive tax system is a socialist construct and is one of Marx's Ten Pillars of Communism
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Germany and France for starters. FRG citizens pays almost 45% taxes on all products over a hundred Euros and uses it for Welfare socialist type programs. Look at Canada's system of Taxation and the return on the dollar back into health and welfare reform. France is another Capitalistic that exercise socialism in the distribution of funds to it people. France has the best offer the best health care coverage to their citizens in the world. Canada offers health care coverage to its citizens. Hell travel to Japan and figure it out for yourself.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
to rationalize Powell's decision by saying he's concerned that the party is too far right just doesn't mesh with the fact that the party is decidedly left of where it was 8 years ago.
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or the fact that the democratic party is unquestionably much farther left than it was during the clinton years.
 
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rjd970 said:
He served as secretary of state in a Republican administration. I'm not sure a democrat has ever done that before. The whole UN Iraq thing, IMO, was just him being a soldier and doing what he was asked. There is a reason he jumped ship after the first term. Of course it is only speculation on my part, but I would bet he at least knew the intelligence was very flimsy, at best.

And I think the only reason he hasn't run for president is because he doesn't want the job...which probably makes him the best man for it.

I see no evidence for this being race related. He simply thinks the republican party has moved too far to the right.
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His family believes he would be killed.... that is why he does not run.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Germany and France for starters. FRG citizens pays almost 45% taxes on all products over a hundred Euros and uses it for Welfare socialist type programs. Look at Canada's system of Taxation and the return on the dollar back into health and welfare reform. France is another Capitalistic that exercise socialism in the distribution of funds to it people. France has the best offer the best health care coverage to their citizens in the world. Canada offers health care coverage to its citizens. Hell travel to Japan and figure it out for yourself.
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entertaining. Have you seen the unemployment rates and the economic uncompetitiveness in these nations? Germany has one industry that remains competitive, France has none, Canada is Canada and the healthcare industry in every single one of those nations looks to the US for breakthrough technology and leadership.
 
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france has twice the debt as a % of gdp as the US and I believe twice the unemployment rate too. they do have the 35 hour work week though. . .
 
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Guys, the whole country is moving to the left -- that includes both parties. If Repubs want to keep moving in the opposite direction, they will continue to lose. The Christian Coalition and the Moral Majority are not what the GOP needs right now. In the end, McCain was the best chance at stopping the dems.
 
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with the baby boomers retiring and the country becoming far older on average i'd be SHOCKED if the country was actually moving farther left. That sounds like anti-bush bs to me.
 
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notverycrucial said:
Guys, the whole country is moving to the left -- that includes both parties. If Repubs want to keep moving in the opposite direction, they will continue to lose. The Christian Coalition and the Moral Majority are not what the GOP needs right now. In the end, McCain was the best chance at stopping the dems.
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he wasn't the best chance. Nobody had a chance with the last month's economic news. Obama is going to win this by default.

How are you arguing that everyone is moving left, both parties, while saying that the right doesn't need the CC or MM? That pair of thoughts makes no sense. The CC and MM have lost much of their visibility right now because of the guy on the ticket. They will lose votes for it, in an effort to court some independents and undecideds.

I suspect the country will swing back right after a couple years of Obama politics. Just how it works with the party in power.
 
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KentheOrange said:
I agree. The more I listen to him the more I am convinced that he is to the left of socialism.
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Your BS is what is wrong with the Republican Party and what has been practice for the past 8 years. It all smoke and guns and the party is based on scaring voters to death through basic lies and strong arm tactics. Keep the black man down and suppress and we can win. Call him names and question his integrity and loyalty to this country.

Lied about the war and anything else that will help the GOP cause.

Do whatever it takes but whatever you do, do not address issues or tell the truth because it may cost you the election or elections.


The 8 years of destroying this country is UP and as a Republican for 20 years I am tried of the BS and tactics used to gain control of this Country. It has been all talk and no walk.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Your BS is what is wrong with the Republican Party and what has been practice for the past 8 years. It all smoke and guns and the party is based on scaring voters to death through basic lies and strong arm tactics. Keep the black man down and suppress and we can win. Call him names and question his integrity and loyalty to this country.

Lied about the war and anything else that will help the GOP cause.

Do whatever it takes but whatever you do, do not address issues or tell the truth because it may cost you the election or elections.


The 8 years of destroying this country is UP and as a Republican for 20 years I am tried of the BS and tactics used to gain control of this Country. It has been all talk and no walk.
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I'm with you. Let's go fleeing to the most liberal person we can imagine and elect him president.

Ready....break.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
How are you arguing that everyone is moving left, both parties, while saying that the right doesn't need the CC or MM? That pair of thoughts makes no sense. The CC and MM have lost much of their visibility right now because of the guy on the ticket. They will lose votes for it, in an effort to court some independents and undecideds.
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Perhaps I wasn't being clear. I mean that the entire country is moving to the left -- that includes people who identify with both parties.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Your BS is what is wrong with the Republican Party and what has been practice for the past 8 years. It all smoke and guns and the party is based on scaring voters to death through basic lies and strong arm tactics. Keep the black man down and suppress and we can win Call him names and question his integrity and loyalty to this country.
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:blink: You are out of your mind.
 
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