College Hoops Around The Country [TN opponents, RPI, others]

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Seeing BYU's short heave at the buzzer made me think of a question: if the ball leaves the player's hand before the buzzer, hits the floor after the buzzer and bounces into the basket -- does it count? Or is it dead when it hits the floor?

The bounce might be considered a dribble by the player that heaves the ball. Then, if there was still time on the clock, if it bounces in after the “dribble” the closest offensive player is credited with the score. Which could be interpreted as the shot being put up after the buzzer.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Would be pretty funny to see Burn lose at home to Bama and blow the #1 overall seed, cause if Duke wins out that's exactly what will happen.

Tonight we need Bama to beat Florida and us handle our business.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Would be pretty funny to see Burn lose at home to Bama and blow the #1 overall seed, cause if Duke wins out that's exactly what will happen.

Tonight we need Bama to beat Florida and us handle our business.

Not sure I think that would happen, 1 loss difference but the SOS difference in conference would be massive.

 

[Sudden Impact]

What's more, 15-4 Quad 1 per se with Auburn Losing to Alabama vs Duke's 6-3 plays into it somewhat. (SOS) An Alabama win would do us no good as well. FL handled Auburn there as well.

IMO, Auburn still has the overall lock, Net now has them at #2 after the loss.

Not worried about them just what happens to our boys. Seeding in the tournament SEC.

The Committee would have their hands full and one thing you do not want to do is overload the Committee with scenarios or unclear choices. Muddy waters for Tennessee if Alabama beats AU

Especially with the Alabama AD on the Selection Committee.

 

[cncchris33]

The bounce might be considered a dribble by the player that heaves the ball. Then, if there was still time on the clock, if it bounces in after the “dribble” the closest offensive player is credited with the score. Which could be interpreted as the shot being put up after the buzzer.

If the shooter left their feet to attempt the shot, it can't be considered a dribble. A shooter can't do anything but shoot or pass after leaving their feet. Pretty sure Bama had a guy attempt this on Saturday and was correctly whistled for a walk.

However, any shot attempt whether in the air or on the bounce is a legal shot if it goes in the basket from above. The last player to touch the ball gets credit for the points. If it bounces from inside the 3-pt arc, it only counts as 2 points no matter where it's released from.

With that in mind, I'd think the shot would count if the buzzer sounds but the ball has already been released since it is considered a continual shot attempt and credited to the original shooter if not touched by another player.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

If the shooter left their feet to attempt the shot, it can't be considered a dribble. A shooter can't do anything but shoot or pass after leaving their feet. Pretty sure Bama had a guy attempt this on Saturday and was correctly whistled for a walk.

However, any shot attempt whether in the air or on the bounce is a legal shot if it goes in the basket from above. The last player to touch the ball gets credit for the points. If it bounces from inside the 3-pt arc, it only counts as 2 points no matter where it's released from.

With that in mind, I'd think the shot would count if the buzzer sounds but the ball has already been released since it is considered a continual shot attempt and credited to the original shooter if not touched by another player.

It could be considered a dribble if dribbling by the shooter hadn't yet commenced.

 

[cncchris33]

It could be considered a dribble if dribbling by the shooter hadn't yet commenced.

But not if he left his feet when he released the ball. Even then, it's irrelevant in an end game situation.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

That’s my thought as well, just like inbounding a ball, time doesn’t run until it’s touched. If you shoot and the ball bounces without anyone touching it time still goes off when the ball was released.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

But not if he left his feet when he released the ball. Even then, it's irrelevant in an end game situation.

I don’t see that. Dribblers can leave their feet as they commence their first dribble. But the whole scenario is highly improbable.

 

[Kas232323]

I don’t see that. Dribblers can leave their feet as they commence their first dribble. But the whole scenario is highly improbable.

You cannot leave the floor with both feet prior to initiating your dribble. That is a traveling violation.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Surely not. If they finish with the same record, there’s absolutely no comparison between their schedules. I can’t imagine they’d reward thrashing bad teams, not with Auburn having 10 more Quad 1 wins than Duke. That’s an insane gap.

I didn't say overall #1 tournament. End of seaon AP #1. They'll get the committee #1 for sure.
My post about Auburn only having 10 more Quad 1 wins was a joke. Hence the "lol".

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Not sure I think that would happen, 1 loss difference but the SOS difference in conference would be massive.

Duke is #1 in Kenpom already & Duke is #2 in NET (without update for Auburn loss)

Really not sure how the committee would handle it since they're given a lot of freedom to be subjective in their seeding.

Probably won't happen and I think Auburn likely ends the season with a big home Win over Bama for Senior day anyway. But would still be funny to see them stumble right before selection Sunday

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

You cannot leave the floor with both feet prior to initiating your dribble. That is a traveling violation.

I’d bet that if looking at it in slow motion it happens all the time. But the guy heaving the ball in the original question wouldn’t necessarily be leaving the floor anyway.

There’s probably a specific rule making it all moot, but what if a player fell down and didn’t run down court to play defense. His team gets the ball on the other end and hits the wide open bird dogging player that had fallen with a long pass. He catches the ball with no defenders around and bounces it into the basket intentionally (a trick shot). Basket or no basket?

 

[VolCalls]

They’re 7-7 in their last 14 playing in a weak conference

Big 12 is far from weak. They have 4 teams in the top 10 of the NET Rankings - same as the SEC.

Facts are your friend.

 

[VolCalls]

What's more, 15-4 Quad 1 per se with Auburn Losing to Alabama vs Duke's 6-3 plays into it somewhat. (SOS) An Alabama win would do us no good as well. FL handled Auburn there as well.

IMO, Auburn still has the overall lock, Net now has them at #2 after the loss.

Not worried about them just what happens to our boys. Seeding in the tournament SEC.

The Committee would have their hands full and one thing you do not want to do is overload the Committee with scenarios or unclear choices. Muddy waters for Tennessee if Alabama beats AU

Especially with the Alabama AD on the Selection Committee.

I expect to see Auburn re-focused and out for blood on Saturday. Bama is in trouble.

 

[OrangeVolMan]

Big 12 is far from weak. They have 4 teams in the top 10 of the NET Rankings - same as the SEC.

Facts are your friend.

You are right facts are your friend. The Big 12 has 4 good teams. The average NET for Big 12 is 47. Average for SEC 31. The Big12 has 4 teams in Top 20. The SEC has 7. While the Big 12 conference is not terrible, the Top 4 teams have a much easier time getting wins than the SEC teams.

 

[VolCalls]

You are right facts are your friend. The Big 12 has 4 good teams. The average NET for Big 12 is 47. Average for SEC 31. The Big12 has 4 teams in Top 20. The SEC has 7. While the Big 12 conference is not terrible, the Top 4 teams have a much easier time getting wins than the SEC teams.

I'm not arguing that the Big 12 is better than the SEC. The poster called the Big 12 "a weak conference," which is not true, and the facts prove that - unless that person simply has a delusional opinion of what they consider weak. The Northeast Conference, OVC, MEAC, etc. could all be considered weak, but the Big 12? Not even close.

You're right about the metrics, and I don't think anyone would argue that the SEC is the best league this year. However, to say BYU isn't a good team would be misguided based on what they've done the last 11 days, which includes winning road games at 2 of those 4 "good" teams you say the Big 12 is limited to.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I mean... this year I'd say basketball conferences are as follows

1. SEC - 7 in top 20 of Kenpom, 6 in top 20 of NET and only 2 teams are outside top 55 NET
2. Big 12 - 5 in top 20 of Kenpom, 5 in top 20 of NET with 7 teams outside top 55 NET
3. Big 10 - 5 in top 20 of Kenpom, 5 in top 20 of NET with 8 teams outside top 55 NET


Edge to Big 12 though because they have 4 teams in top 10 NET and Big 10 has zero

Big East is really just 4 good teams this year. ACC is really just 3 teams and then a big drop to the 4th best team (SMU). WCC is just Gonzaga & Saint Mary's (again).

 

[cncchris33]

I mean... this year I'd say basketball conferences are as follows

1. SEC - 7 in top 20 of Kenpom, 6 in top 20 of NET and only 2 teams are outside top 55 NET
2. Big 12 - 5 in top 20 of Kenpom, 5 in top 20 of NET with 7 teams outside top 55 NET
3. Big 10 - 5 in top 20 of Kenpom, 5 in top 20 of NET with 8 teams outside top 55 NET


Edge to Big 12 though because they have 4 teams in top 10 NET and Big 10 has zero

Big East is really just 4 good teams this year. ACC is really just 3 teams and then a big drop to the 4th best team (SMU). WCC is just Gonzaga & Saint Mary's (again).

And this is why it is incredibly difficult to see the selection committee leaving out the clear, dominant winner of that 2nd best conference in favor of a 3rd SEC team. Houston has won 21 of their last 22 games, won the Big XII by 4 games, owns 8 Q1 wins, and is 9-0 on the road. If they beat Baylor, I see no way they are left on the outside looking in at a 3rd SEC team, which is why I think Tennessee needs as much help as they can get. I think only one of Tennessee, Florida, and Bama are getting a 1-seed. Hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't count on getting in over Houston, so it will have to come at Bama and Florida's expense.

 

[VolCalls]

And this is why it is incredibly difficult to see the selection committee leaving out the clear, dominant winner of that 2nd best conference in favor of a 3rd SEC team. Houston has won 21 of their last 22 games, won the Big XII by 4 games, owns 8 Q1 wins, and is 9-0 on the road. If they beat Baylor, I see no way they are left on the outside looking in at a 3rd SEC team, which is why I think Tennessee needs as much help as they can get. I think only one of Tennessee, Florida, and Bama are getting a 1-seed. Hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't count on getting in over Houston, so it will have to come at Bama and Florida's expense.

I agree with this simply due to the process of elimination. Bama eliminates Florida tonight and Auburn eliminates Bama on Saturday. This is all predicated on us winning our last two, of course. The clear #1 seeds at that point are Auburn, Duke, Tennessee, and Houston.

I’ve said since the seed reveal on 2/15 as long as we win out, we’re getting a #1 no matter what else happens. It was impossible for there to be no more losses from teams ahead of us because the SEC teams were all playing one another. Alabama has 3 losses since then and Florida has one - and not a good one, at that.

It always works itself out. Let’s win tonight and Sunday.

 

[Col_Cathcart]

Big 12 is far from weak. They have 4 teams in the top 10 of the NET Rankings - same as the SEC.

Facts are your friend.

The big 12 is top heavy and one of those top NET teams is ISU so it’s 3 others. They also didn’t play TTU during that stretch. So of the 14 games, 2 were against zona and one was against Houston. They lost 5 other games against the rest.

The point was that they haven’t been playing a murderers row the last 2 months but they’ve still been a .500 team.

 

[walkenvol]

And this is why it is incredibly difficult to see the selection committee leaving out the clear, dominant winner of that 2nd best conference in favor of a 3rd SEC team. Houston has won 21 of their last 22 games, won the Big XII by 4 games, owns 8 Q1 wins, and is 9-0 on the road. If they beat Baylor, I see no way they are left on the outside looking in at a 3rd SEC team, which is why I think Tennessee needs as much help as they can get. I think only one of Tennessee, Florida, and Bama are getting a 1-seed. Hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't count on getting in over Houston, so it will have to come at Bama and Florida's expense.

I don’t disagree with you, but this seems to totally discount the overall conference strength of the SEC along with the w/l record of SEC teams against the other conferences.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I agree with this simply due to the process of elimination. Bama eliminates Florida tonight and Auburn eliminates Bama on Saturday. This is all predicated on us winning our last two, of course. The clear #1 seeds at that point are Auburn, Duke, Tennessee, and Houston.

I’ve said since the seed reveal on 2/15 as long as we win out, we’re getting a #1 no matter what else happens. It was impossible for there to be no more losses from teams ahead of us because the SEC teams were all playing one another. Alabama has 3 losses since then and Florida has one - and not a good one, at that.

It always works itself out. Let’s win tonight and Sunday.

If Houston is 3rd on the S curve and Tennessee 4th would you be considered right or wrong?

 

[Volprofch05]

Is it not a bit weird to retire a player’s jersey who is STILL playing basketball for you?

Does he have to change numbers now?

 

[omghulkhands]

Is it not a bit weird to retire a player’s jersey who is STILL playing basketball for you?

lol not much basketball history at that school so why not lol.