Conference expansion

[95 Vol Alum]

I am fine with them getting taxed. Its one of the things I have even argued as a positive for UT, because TN doesn't have a state income tax like most states. I am surprised it hasn't already become an issue, the IRS will always get theirs, and there is no way ALL these players are remembering to/actually withholding ~40% of their NIL pay.

They likely don't have to remember - the school provides guidance, and/or the actual NIL payment may be covering it. Not sure why them remembering is worth noting either way, though.

 

[turbovol]

No this crap started with fans demanding to win, and wanting to watch every game. Things have been snowballing for a while, we are just now getting to the "find out" part of "eff around".

The money first hit college football a LONG time ago. First it was the schools getting it from TV. Then the coaches were getting money from the schools. Its insane that pretty much every P5 University's highest paid employee is a football coach. That's a better place to point at if you miss the days of them being student athletes, hard to argue the student side matters when the athletic coach gets paid top dollar. Most coordinators in the SEC and Big 10 probably make more money than most University Presidents too.

The players aren't getting paid by the schools, yet. They are getting paid for their NIL after being un-Constitutionally denied that right. Its all you blue hairs who refused even common sense changes to the NCAA model that lead us to this mess. Instead of making small adaptions to stay with the time, you fought it to the bitter end to the point that the Supreme Court agreed 9-0 that the model was wrong. That's how bad it was, every single supreme court justice thought it was wrong. and not wrong from a sports stand point, but from rights standpoint. You could have let athletes make money from non-sports areas, and this probably wouldn't have come up, or worked out some form of profit sharing. but instead you fought for a system that denied people their own Name Image and Likeness.

Who is "you"? Athletes are entitled to make money from legit merchandising deals and real businesses selling products with with their NIL. They're not entitled to receive bribes for signing with specific schools or transferring. This built over time because activists pushed this narrative of student-athletes being exploited---which has always been nonsense. The activists are always about getting free money.

As for college football, it's clearly gotten stupid.

 

[LouderVol]

They likely don't have to remember - the school provides guidance, and/or the actual NIL payment may be covering it. Not sure why them remembering is worth noting either way, though.

I hope for their sake it is. I just think with all the cases out there, plus them not being the sharpest crayons, and also probably never having to have dealt with taxes before, thanks education system, it seems likely there will be some uh-oh cases.

 

[LouderVol]

Who is "you"? Athletes are entitled to make money from legit merchandising deals and real businesses selling products with with their NIL. They're not entitled to receive bribes for signing with specific schools or transferring. This built over time because activists pushed this narrative of student-athletes being exploited---which has always been nonsense. The activists are always about getting free money.

As for college football, it's clearly gotten stupid.

They have only been able to get NIL in the last like 2 years, after the Supreme Court ruled against the NCAA. If you read what I said, if the NCAA had made that correction before the Supreme Court they could have controlled it, or at least attempted to. Now they have been struck down by the highest couort in the nation and have no chance to control it. its their fault. and a lot of it comes from your attitude of thinking they aren't being exploited.

Banning them from their NIL IS exploitation. the schools, conferences, and TV providers were making money off the students NIL, while the students couldn't. that's exploitation. the scholarships just covered their actual athletic performances, not their NIL. it was a very unequal standard that was upheld. so unequal that it qualifies as exploitation.

take me for instance, I get paid to do my work. that's the scholarship in this situation. But then if my bosses use video of me working to generate additional income with an explicit policy that I don't receive any additional compensation, that would be exploitation. doesn't matter if I am being paid for my work, if I don't control my own Name Image or Likeness.

 

[Hoosier_Vol]

 

[turbovol]

They have only been able to get NIL in the last like 2 years, after the Supreme Court ruled against the NCAA. If you read what I said, if the NCAA had made that correction before the Supreme Court they could have controlled it, or at least attempted to. Now they have been struck down by the highest couort in the nation and have no chance to control it. its their fault. and a lot of it comes from your attitude of thinking they aren't being exploited.

Banning them from their NIL IS exploitation. the schools, conferences, and TV providers were making money off the students NIL, while the students couldn't. that's exploitation. the scholarships just covered their actual athletic performances, not their NIL. it was a very unequal standard that was upheld. so unequal that it qualifies as exploitation.

take me for instance, I get paid to do my work. that's the scholarship in this situation. But then if my bosses use video of me working to generate additional income with an explicit policy that I don't receive any additional compensation, that would be exploitation. doesn't matter if I am being paid for my work, if I don't control my own Name Image or Likeness.

You are confusing people working in real jobs with students at universities. They're students, student-athletes. No more than a handful of players ever had their names on the back of jerseys, and they weren't doing commercials and not getting paid. So NIL never applied to 99 percent of the student-athletes at any college, so this notion that all were getting "exploited" was always total nonsense. And as everyone should know, nearly all football revenues are poured back into the athletic department for facilities, insurance, administrative costs, non-revenue sports, etc. etc. Should the NCAA had got a handle on NIL earlier? Maybe. But I dispute the idea that it was this big issue. This all smacks of the usual activists whose agenda is always to "give us free money." Students getting a free, four-year-old college education are the luckiest students in America--and you feel free to ask any of the other students in America, many of whom incur heavy debts to go to college and get a degree, if they agree. Major-college athletics in America have long been corrupt and absurd--the rest of the world doesn't even have college athletics--and have not gotten even more so. Maybe the real problem is that people in the South and Midwest don't have enough entertainment/social options, which might explain their rather childish obsession with the college football team. The funny thing is, most of the most obsessive fans didn't even attend or graduate from the colleges they support. The poor Pac12 has disappeared because there aren't enough crazy fans on the West Coast with toilet seats sporting the logo of their favorite college football team.

 

[SpookyAction]

College athletes get Christmas and summer breaks to finish classwork.

 

[Velo Vol]

I can hazard a guess why Clemson and FSU might not vote to expand the ACC.

Less sure about NCSU

 

[GoDucks349]

Yea, this will be interesting to see. The only PAC location that typically has weather close to this on occasions is WSU. And the LA schools don't seem to like the cold much.

 

[tpsdave]

 

[tpsdave]

Better get used to it if one hopes to be playing in the NFL.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

College Football 'Relegation' Proposal Is Starting To Gain Traction (msn.com)

 

[SpookyAction]

 

[LouderVol]

You are confusing people working in real jobs with students at universities. They're students, student-athletes. No more than a handful of players ever had their names on the back of jerseys, and they weren't doing commercials and not getting paid. So NIL never applied to 99 percent of the student-athletes at any college, so this notion that all were getting "exploited" was always total nonsense. And as everyone should know, nearly all football revenues are poured back into the athletic department for facilities, insurance, administrative costs, non-revenue sports, etc. etc. Should the NCAA had got a handle on NIL earlier? Maybe. But I dispute the idea that it was this big issue. This all smacks of the usual activists whose agenda is always to "give us free money." Students getting a free, four-year-old college education are the luckiest students in America--and you feel free to ask any of the other students in America, many of whom incur heavy debts to go to college and get a degree, if they agree. Major-college athletics in America have long been corrupt and absurd--the rest of the world doesn't even have college athletics--and have not gotten even more so. Maybe the real problem is that people in the South and Midwest don't have enough entertainment/social options, which might explain their rather childish obsession with the college football team. The funny thing is, most of the most obsessive fans didn't even attend or graduate from the colleges they support. The poor Pac12 has disappeared because there aren't enough crazy fans on the West Coast with toilet seats sporting the logo of their favorite college football team.

The issue wasn't the amount of NIL, the issue was the simple fact that they didn't control their own NIL. If they HAD been able to make $5 off their own picture, that would have been fair. The system said they couldn't get $5 for their picture. No other student has that restriction. Its not even an issue of amateurism, even amateurs control their own Name, Image, and Likeness. That HAD to change.

and I am not the one pushing Free Money, I am completely ok with dropping the non-revenue sports, they are the money from nothing group. The universities are the ones who have been receiving the "free money". They do nothing, but were getting all of the reward. They are the middlemen who were recieving ALL the money, and they wrote the rules so that only they can be the ones to recieve money. The money is already there, just now the athletes can get a small cut of it. This doesn't cost fans any more ticket money, doesn't cost subscribers any more in TV/streaming costs. The NIL deals are simple direct capitalistic engagements between private individuals, I have no idea why people think there is something morally/ethically wrong with it, or that players owning their own images and names is somehow ruining the sport.

 

[zjcvols]

Why not divorce football conferences from everything else? For example, have the SEC Football Conference and SEC Other-Sports-Not-As-Important-As-Football Conference and same for all the others. There would be a PAC-12 Other Sports No One Watches. Those other sports participate in what could be their pre-Realignment conferences. Include basketball in the others because only men's BB, with very few exceptions, makes money.

See my post earlier!

 

[zjcvols]

This **** started with paying players. Expanded to the NIL. Now teams are clamoring to get in the playoffs and jumping conferences because of the need for $$$$$$$$. Put the conferences back to 12 teams max. Set boundary limits for travel. Play 8 conference games and put the champs in the playoffs. Add some more non-champion teams and call it a day. Instead, we are seeing idiocy that will destroy college football and also begin the quick slide toward eliminating non-revenue sports. All those who desire definite champions and paying players have gotten what you want. Hope you are ****ing happy.

/rant

Jimbo Fisher has an $86M dollar buyout and you want to blame paying players?!?!?!

 

[82_VOL_83]

Jimbo Fisher has an $86M dollar buyout and you want to blame paying players?!?!?!

Jimbo Fisher is an employee. Make the players employee's and stop the pretense. The win at all costs folks have won the war. There are simply a few mop up skirmishes left. I'll enjoy the games for what they are and just chalk this up to another awesome yearly happening that has gone by the wayside.

 

[zjcvols]

Jimbo Fisher is an employee. Make the players employee's and stop the pretense. The win at all costs folks have won the war. There are simply a few mop up skirmishes left. I'll enjoy the games for what they are and just chalk this up to another awesome yearly happening that has gone by the wayside.

NIL isn’t about winning. It’s about fairness. NIL has nothing to do with conference expansion.

 

[82_VOL_83]

NIL isn’t about winning. It’s about fairness. NIL has nothing to do with conference expansion.

NIL in its current form is a joke. UT has deep booster pockets. Team with the most $$$ wins. Why do you think Sabin and Kiffin are crying? Sabin sees the end of an empire and Kiffin can't keep up.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You are confusing people working in real jobs with students at universities. They're students, student-athletes. No more than a handful of players ever had their names on the back of jerseys, and they weren't doing commercials and not getting paid. So NIL never applied to 99 percent of the student-athletes at any college, so this notion that all were getting "exploited" was always total nonsense. And as everyone should know, nearly all football revenues are poured back into the athletic department for facilities, insurance, administrative costs, non-revenue sports, etc. etc. Should the NCAA had got a handle on NIL earlier? Maybe. But I dispute the idea that it was this big issue. This all smacks of the usual activists whose agenda is always to "give us free money." Students getting a free, four-year-old college education are the luckiest students in America--and you feel free to ask any of the other students in America, many of whom incur heavy debts to go to college and get a degree, if they agree. Major-college athletics in America have long been corrupt and absurd--the rest of the world doesn't even have college athletics--and have not gotten even more so. Maybe the real problem is that people in the South and Midwest don't have enough entertainment/social options, which might explain their rather childish obsession with the college football team. The funny thing is, most of the most obsessive fans didn't even attend or graduate from the colleges they support. The poor Pac12 has disappeared because there aren't enough crazy fans on the West Coast with toilet seats sporting the logo of their favorite college football team.

Those "activists" that convinced the NCAA to allow NIL for athletes are called The Supreme Court of the United States. They never fully agree on much but they agreed that the restrictions on student-athlete educational and travel compensation was not acceptable. 9 - 0.

Justice Gorsuch went beyond that and suggested the entire business model of the NCAA was flawed and the teams conspired to not compensate revenue generating athletes at their market value.

As I've mentioned, Peyton Manning got an $11M bonus just for signing a contract to play in the NFL after playing for a scholarship in college just a few months earlier. Does it seem to you that a college education is worth $11M + $7.5M/year?

 

[SpookyAction]

Those "activists" that convinced the NCAA to allow NIL for athletes are called The Supreme Court of the United States. They never fully agree on much but they agreed that the restrictions on student-athlete educational and travel compensation was not acceptable. 9 - 0.

Justice Gorsuch went beyond that and suggested the entire business model of the NCAA was flawed and the teams conspired to not compensate revenue generating athletes at their market value.

As I've mentioned, Peyton Manning got an $11M bonus just for signing a contract to play in the NFL after playing for a scholarship in college just a few months earlier. Does it seem to you that a college education is worth $11M + $7.5M/year?

Some will never agree college athletes deserve fair value for their services.
They want it to be the way they always imagined it actually was.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Some will never agree college athletes deserve fair value for their services.
They want it to be the way they always imagined it actually was.

Even if we allow, and I'm just making the math easier, that college athletics only requires 1/10th of the effort, practice, etc as the NFL and the competition is 1/10th as good, Peyton's compensation would need to be a $1.1M bonus + 700k/year in scholarship benefits to be fair.

Either that or Peyton improved dramatically between January 1998 and June 1998.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Rumor is Oregon sent our all new recruiting materials Saturday that carry the Big 10 logo. Enough of Lincoln Riley telling recruits that they should go to USC over Oregon because USC is in the Big 10 and Oregon is in the PAC. USC had 13 months to exploit this in recruiting. Looks like the playing field leveled again... Here come the DUCKS!

Oregon is moving up a level. No doubting their recruiting, talent, or coaching, but Oregon just passed their CPA (Closest Point of Approach) to a Natty. Moving forward, the Ducks can only be a spoiler. They simply do not have what it takes to beat the best the SEC can offer.
It is what it is...

Go Vols.

 

[turbovol]

Some will never agree college athletes deserve fair value for their services.
They want it to be the way they always imagined it actually was.

They're students, not employees---a fact that seems lost on some. They're getting a free college education worth more than $200K plus a raft
of other benefits. Ninety-nine percent of the all the student-athletes at UT and every other major university have never had their name put on any UT merchandise
and never will--meaning NIL is relevant in only a handful of instances. The idea that student-athletes deserve cash in addition to a free-education and other bennies is absurd. If you want to turn major-college football into an independent semi-pro league, with no university association at all and no educational component, then, yea, pay the players. The real problem is that college football has become so big, so commercial and so corrupt that most of its fans don't even think of it as "college" anymore. And why would they--most Southern fans did not attend the state university team they cheer for or any college at all.

 

[LouderVol]

They're students, not employees---a fact that seems lost on some. They're getting a free college education worth more than $200K plus a raft
of other benefits. Ninety-nine percent of the all the student-athletes at UT and every other major university have never had their name put on any UT merchandise
and never will--meaning NIL is relevant in only a handful of instances. The idea that student-athletes deserve cash in addition to a free-education and other bennies is absurd. If you want to turn major-college football into an independent semi-pro league, with no university association at all and no educational component, then, yea, pay the players. The real problem is that college football has become so big, so commercial and so corrupt that most of its fans don't even think of it as "college" anymore. And why would they--most Southern fans did not attend the state university team they cheer for or any college at all.

thats how it is for every school. it works the same way as the pros work in most cases, you are loyal to the team closest to you that you can reasonably identify with. also the south doesn't have as many professional teams as the rest of the nation, so that leaves more people to gravitate to college sports vs professional, as they were the best teams around. except for the Ivy league schools and private universities I think you would be stretched to find any fanbase made up mostly of alum vs the general public. and its been that way for forever.

the athletes aren't getting NIL from the school. no one is arguing that. they are getting NIL from outside entities who want to capitalize on a specific player. its the same marketing idea as teaming up with the school, but now the athletes themselves can participate on their own and make their own money. instead of just making money for someone else, which is exploitation.

why is it absurd that players should be able to make cash OUTSIDE of a scholarship? Side hustles are huge now, especially in the age of the internet. no similar limitation exists on any other student, even if they are there on a full ride scholarship. again NIL makes student-athletes more similar to other students. it removes an unnecessary division.

i continue to laugh at your argument that somehow student-athletes having the same rights as anyone else will somehow make the sport unwatchable to you. How dare they want to be treated equally.