Conference expansion

[zjcvols]

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I can't find the tweet. but a Wazzu reporter posted about Wash. St and the decline of their sports program due to all the realignment.

I feel bad for schools like that..............

I have always loved watching the late night PAC12 games in Pullman and Corvallis . Those places still had that college town feel to them, whereas the other schools in the PAC 12 didn’t really seem that enthusiastic. Oregon and Washington are two great venues that are also enthusiastic, but I always liked those places .

 

[stolitonic]

Can't personally speak to where the SEC Network is available throughout the country, but I get the Longhorn, Big 10 and Pac 10 networks in North Carolina. Seems like the conference networks are pretty much nationwide.

Oddly enough, I live in Texas outside Dallas. We didn't get the Longhorn Network until like 2015 lol. For a thing that such a hubbub was made about, it just never really took off.

Can't imagine trying to fill a 24/7 schedule with content from one school. SEC Network barely gets any use outside of football season.

I cut my cable a few months ago, but I seem to be pretty well set up for football season

ESPN plus
SEC Network
B10 network
ACC network

Somehow, I will have to fill my viewing hours without the Pac-12 err 4 network.

 

[BUBear]

They’re probably feeling pretty good, considering they’re one of the best teams in conference.

Time will tell. Yarmark should have let Utah dangle for a month or two. Learn a little humility along the way. Utah would have been there anyway. They have no other place to go.

According to TCU and BYU friends that I know Utah has the arrogance of Texas even without the pedigree.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[Dadof2Vols]

FSU and Clemson each have an average of 2 million viewers per game in the fall. That puts them in the top half of the SEC schools for viewers.

Does it really matter where those viewers are?

It doesn’t for streaming and geography will mean even less with the fall of broadcast over the air TV. Geography will have some meaning just not as much as today.

 

[SpookyAction]

My OCD will require renaming all conferences to something generic.

If FSU is a canary in the Coal Mine, it might be the Energia Asset Management Conference, with the HSBC Global Division and Renaissance Technologies Division,

or Bridgewater Associates Conference with Wells Fargo Division and Point 72 Asset Management Division.

Gross.

 

[SpookyAction]

Rutgers AD and President deserve a lifetime contract. The fact they were able to get in the Big Ten when it’s clear that their AD could have been relegated to Big East bball or like the AAC and lost millions upon millions is incredible. What an awesome play by them.

Their lottery is being in both the NYC and NJ TV Market. Nothing else. No other P5 team there.

I hate playing VT. No win situation. No credit for winning and it's embarrassing not to win. Would feel cringy to have Clemson in our league. These teams are also in our recruiting territory: why give them unearned status? Imagining holy fake Dabo at SEC Media week makes me want to puke.

We already have Hugh Freeze, so there would be two.

Deep pocket Apple and Amazon are about to call on the red phone, SEC time to take the call.

Either would be awesome, because I already have both.

 

[SpookyAction]

the SEC should add UNC & UVA.
Two elite Southern Universities that are the model of what all southern schools should aspire to be. It fills out the conference nicely. They’re prestigious, we’re already so far of everyone else in pretty much football and baseball, adding two solid basketball schools with football potential and tremendous academics while keeping our biggest rival—the big ten—at bay—is the best strategic move for the SEC.

Totally agree. UVA and UNC are crown jewels of the ACC. 20 years from now, they will have viewers. Clemson won't.

 

[SpookyAction]

Found it

The 2nd tier Conferences should have structured those TV contracts with no exit ramps for programs.
Things were stable when those Conferences signed their TV deals.

The reason the conferences are splitting is because Vanderbilts, Stanfords, and Oregon States get the same base payout each year as the Georgias, USCs, and Oregons. It dragged the real money programs down too much financially to stay chained to the parasite programs.

I include Vandy for perspective. Tiny value and investment yields big payout for Vandy at the expense of SEC programs that invest in winning in the money sports. Vandy has the capital but does not have the same priorities as the other programs. Mizzou is turning out to be a similar program, leeching millions in exchange for terrible product no one watches on TV.
Vandy gets the legacy pass, but Mizzou should be put on notice.

 

[cwbytruckers]

Oddly enough, I live in Texas outside Dallas. We didn't get the Longhorn Network until like 2015 lol. For a thing that such a hubbub was made about, it just never really took off.

Can't imagine trying to fill a 24/7 schedule with content from one school. SEC Network barely gets any use outside of football season.

I cut my cable a few months ago, but I seem to be pretty well set up for football season

ESPN plus
SEC Network
B10 network
ACC network

Somehow, I will have to fill my viewing hours without the Pac-12 err 4 network.

On the ROKU the Roku app has live tv that also offers the PAC 12 channel free.

 

[SpookyAction]

On the ROKU the Roku app has live tv that also offers the PAC 12 channel free.

Now you tell us.

 

[peaygolf]

College football has cannibalized itself

Good article

 

[headhunter15]

Could be reality one day.

 

[headhunter15]

Could be reality one day. I’ll take it. Only team missing is Wake Forest.

 

[SpookyAction]

Could be reality one day.

 

[SpookyAction]

College football has cannibalized itself

Good article

Thanks for posting.
It even points out this plundering of conferences isn't over by a long shot.

Why have the marginal programs in Super Conferences?
Why should Vandy get the same base payout as UT?
How long before tOSU refuses to accept the same cut Indiana receives?
Why even have these teams in the Super Conferences?

The networks aren't going to feature the Wakes, Indianas, Purdues, and Mizzous on prime time or feature games. They are rarely competitive, and do not draw viewers.
They can be exchanged for the better teams in the lower conferences.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Thanks for posting.
It even points out this plundering of conferences isn't over by a long shot.

Why have the marginal programs in Super Conferences?
Why should Vandy get the same base payout as UT?
How long before tOSU refuses to accept the same cut Indiana receives?
Why even have these teams in the Super Conferences?

The networks aren't going to feature the Wakes, Indianas, Purdues, and Mizzous on prime time or feature games. They are rarely competitive, and do not draw viewers.
They can be exchanged for the better teams in the lower conferences.

When the "culling out" occurs and the elite are all grouped and playing, the big losers are the OOC little schools who've taken their 50-60 burger for that big, program floating payday.

When a program like TN Tech can no longer get a nice "we got curb stomped by the SEC and all we got was this big fat check" game, things will start to look bad for some of the little schools.

That's sad. But yes, how long is Bama vs Vandy really worth televising? Much less TN vs the Southwest Podunk State Fighting Cicadas.

 

[Orange.]

College football has cannibalized itself

Good article

Why say "football has" instead of naming the top B1G whoevers and PAC rats? This is a general trend, I notice. It's like the media is trying to cover for USC, Oregon, Ohio State, Pedo St., Michigan, et. al.

Also, NO to a salary cap. That would return everything to whoever cheats with impunity enjoys an unlevel playing field. I want that finished for good.

 

[zjcvols]

Let’s just make the Big Ten and SEC 32 teams each, play 15 conference games, 12 team playoff in each conference (top 4 teams get byes) and then SEC/Big Ten winners play each and winner gets to be the national champion

 

[GoDucks349]

Rumor is Oregon sent our all new recruiting materials Saturday that carry the Big 10 logo. Enough of Lincoln Riley telling recruits that they should go to USC over Oregon because USC is in the Big 10 and Oregon is in the PAC. USC had 13 months to exploit this in recruiting. Looks like the playing field leveled again... Here come the DUCKS!

 

[95 Vol Alum]

Marty & McGee were comparing CFB to NASCAR this week. It appears appropriate.

The elimination of the regional characteristics in exchange for a “national” footprint to chase money in the moment may come back to haunt CFB much like it did NASCAR.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Why say "football has" instead of naming the top B1G whoevers and PAC rats? This is a general trend, I notice. It's like the media is trying to cover for USC, Oregon, Ohio State, Pedo St., Michigan, et. al.

Also, NO to a salary cap. That would return everything to whoever cheats with impunity enjoys an unlevel playing field. I want that finished for good.

Did you miss the SEC poaching aTm and Miz years ago and TX and OU recently? C'mon......

And if the players are considered employees, all of the "under the table" payments disappear. Pro players don't need to hide nor can they legally hide their payment. If it gets to the point of "salary caps" college football is dead.

 

[Orange.]

Let’s just make the Big Ten and SEC 32 teams each, play 15 conference games, 12 team playoff in each conference (top 4 teams get byes) and then SEC/Big Ten winners play each and winner gets to be the national champion

No, let's stay at 16 and stay the conference of champions!

See #91,038 for the totals (with B1G's new additions included). Let B1G be a big sprawling mess.

 

[zjcvols]

League 1
Division 1: Houston, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
Division 2: Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU
Division 3: Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Division 4: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Division 5: Central, Florida, Florida State, Miami
Division 6: Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina
Division 7: Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest
Division 8: Kentucky, Louisville, Memphis, Missouri
Division 9: Liberty, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

League 2
Division 1: Maryland, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers
Division 2: Boston College, Notre Dame, Syracuse, UConn
Division 3: Cincinnati, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State
Division 4: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue
Division 5: Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Division 6: Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska
Division 7: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Division 8: Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC
Division 9: Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Utah

There are currently 68 P5 teams (plus Notre Dame). I added UConn, Liberty & Memphis.

You play everybody in your division once every year (you basically keep all the huge rivalries in this set up except Tennessee/Bama...sorry). Rotate 3 divisions each year. 1 Non Conference game, first game of the year. 16 game season (8 home/8 away). 12 team playoff in each league. Each division winner gets a bye or first round home game. Winners of League 1/League 2 play for the national championship.