Confidence level in the 2016 recruiting class? (merged)

[chavisut]

Somewhat concerned.

ATP last year my concern was a .5/10. Now like a 4/10.

 

[Ericvol2096]

I'm typically a positive person. But I got to admit I'm getting worried about this class. Early on it appeared we were in on some big time guys and with the positive step forward the team/program took I would have assumed we would finish another top 5ish class.

I really like JG and Osborne. We loss some guys which I hope is us making room for some better players but doesn't look that way. I'm worried we lose Kongbo.

I really hope we finish strong with Warrior and Brown. Unfortunately I think we lost Hardman. If we want to win SEC champs & NTL Champs we got to start landing elite recruits not just good ones.

Everyone is being quite ridiculous at this point about this class.

I would put my posting reputation on us finishing with at least 5 more 4/5*'s down the stretch.

Also we already have these really good players in the fold.

Jarret G - just he best QB prospect we've signed in 10 years...

Jeff George - a Very good JUCO WR prospect. As highly rated as Von Pearson but no one seems to give him respect.

Kongbo - obviously a beast that we need to hang onto.

Osborne - Fills A HUGE need and an elite talent, a huge huge get.

Bituli - a versatile defender who can grow into a great DE or may play some LB

Alexis Johnson - Signed on the dotted line and rated higher than Owen Williams was out of JUCO and going into a DT grouping that is deep and talented. A great addition to the rotation.

Ryan Johnson - A fantastic OL prospect who will have 2-3 years to develop before he ever has to play, wow our OL depth has gotten so much better in a couple years!

Fils-Aime - A Very solid RB prospect who will also be 4th on the depth chart and may even get to redshirt. He will be a big contributor in 2017 and will be very good.

We also have a couple really solid TE prospects and an athletic LBer in Blakely.

This class has a fantastic core and a bunch of room to add some more elite WR's, OL, DL and DB's.

It is going to be a top 15 class and fill our needs perfectly.

Everyone is being ridiculous right now.

 

[WebbCobb]

trust in Butch.

Id rather have Jarrett than Hunter personally. one year sooner, taller...reminds me of Kaepernick.

As also a 49er fan, that makes me throw up in my mouth

 

[bignewt]

Everyone is being quite ridiculous at this point about this class.

I would put my posting reputation on us finishing with at least 5 more 4/5*'s down the stretch.

Also we already have these really good players in the fold.

Jarret G - just he best QB prospect we've signed in 10 years...

Jeff George - a Very good JUCO WR prospect. As highly rated as Von Pearson but no one seems to give him respect.

Kongbo - obviously a beast that we need to hang onto.

Osborne - Fills A HUGE need and an elite talent, a huge huge get.

Bituli - a versatile defender who can grow into a great DE or may play some LB

Alexis Johnson - Signed on the dotted line and rated higher than Owen Williams was out of JUCO and going into a DT grouping that is deep and talented. A great addition to the rotation.

Ryan Johnson - A fantastic OL prospect who will have 2-3 years to develop before he ever has to play, wow our OL depth has gotten so much better in a couple years!

Fils-Aime - A Very solid RB prospect who will also be 4th on the depth chart and may even get to redshirt. He will be a big contributor in 2017 and will be very good.

We also have a couple really solid TE prospects and an athletic LBer in Blakely.

This class has a fantastic core and a bunch of room to add some more elite WR's, OL, DL and DB's.

It is going to be a top 15 class and fill our needs perfectly.

Everyone is being ridiculous right now.

The worst thing about this post is you had to take the time to spell it out for people...

 

[HoptownVol]

Everyone is being quite ridiculous at this point about this class.

I would put my posting reputation on us finishing with at least 5 more 4/5*'s down the stretch.

Also we already have these really good players in the fold.

Jarret G - just he best QB prospect we've signed in 10 years...

Jeff George - a Very good JUCO WR prospect. As highly rated as Von Pearson but no one seems to give him respect.

Kongbo - obviously a beast that we need to hang onto.

Osborne - Fills A HUGE need and an elite talent, a huge huge get.

Bituli - a versatile defender who can grow into a great DE or may play some LB

Alexis Johnson - Signed on the dotted line and rated higher than Owen Williams was out of JUCO and going into a DT grouping that is deep and talented. A great addition to the rotation.

Ryan Johnson - A fantastic OL prospect who will have 2-3 years to develop before he ever has to play, wow our OL depth has gotten so much better in a couple years!

Fils-Aime - A Very solid RB prospect who will also be 4th on the depth chart and may even get to redshirt. He will be a big contributor in 2017 and will be very good.

We also have a couple really solid TE prospects and an athletic LBer in Blakely.

This class has a fantastic core and a bunch of room to add some more elite WR's, OL, DL and DB's.

It is going to be a top 15 class and fill our needs perfectly.

Everyone is being ridiculous right now.

LOL Funny.

 

[JFBanicki]

The 2017 qb shouldn't even be in this convo, but he's the #1 qb so people want to act like that matters to this class. The players we have lost have been mostly 3*. So why be so concerned? People were bashing Butch for taking their commit in the first place and now that he's cutting done loose to make room for better those same people want to act like the whole class is falling apart.

Some people will never be happy and even if he wins the next 10 NCs those same people would complain about how we won them and how it should've been 11 or 12.

 

[WallyBalls]

Did it take Saban 6-7 years to build a dynasty at either LSU or Bama? Becasue that's what Butch says it will take him to do it. :crazy:

So...what if it did?

I mean, is that too long to wait for a program that produces the results Bama has seen in recent years?

I'd rather take 5 or 6 years of slow, deliberate improvement that results in a sustainable championship caliber program than put up with the bottle rocket style success/failure we've seen some schools (Auburn for example, even Florida arguably) deal with.

 

[unioncityvol]

I don't know what you are trying to get at here. I was just providing fact-based evidence that refuted the idea that Saban has ever had a class as small as this one rank highly.

Oh sorry I was reading along and seeing the Saban #1 every year and Butch can't take a year off stuff and stopped and bumped yours. Yours is pure fact lol. i saw two very evenly matched teams this year despite their recruiting ranking every year. And looking at returning experience next year we will be better imo. Only 11 of those 85 5 stars on the field at a time. We can match that.

 

[TGVol]

Comparing Tennessee in 2012 to anything at Bama or LSU in the last 15 years is absurd.

:crazy:

Saban intherited more mess in 2007 than Butch did in 2012. He came after Shula who was a joke and NCAA also vacated Bama victories etc. In other words program was a total disaster, while Butch at least inherited clean program with no sanctions and also NFL o-line to start with.
Just as a reminder in 2008 Saban already went 10-2 and only one year later 14-0. All this are the reasons why comparing Butch to Saban is not at all absurd since we are comparing directly against our biggest historical rival (we are still the second winningest SEC program of all time). I know people desperately want Butch to succeed (count me in with them) but let's also agree we should not be lowering the standards and expectations.

 

[overseasorange2]

The worst thing about this post is you had to take the time to spell it out for people...

If you read the article that came out today by Hunter Turner on "2016 recruiting Part 2", we are no more negative then he is.....Just the facts M'am:hi:

 

[BigZiti09]

Saban intherited more mess in 2007 than Butch did in 2012. He came after Shula who was a joke and NCAA also vacated Bama victories etc. In other words program was a total disaster, while Butch at least inherited clean program with no sanctions and also NFL o-line to start with.
Just as a reminder in 2008 Saban already went 10-2 and only one year later 14-0. All this are the reasons why comparing Butch to Saban is not at all absurd since we are comparing directly against our biggest historical rival (we are still the second winningest SEC program of all time). I know people desperately want Butch to succeed (count me in with them) but let's also agree we should not be lowering the standards and expectations.

First, nobody is lowering expectations. I just choose to look at our roster as a realist. Second, there was nothing wrong with Shula's recruiting.

Either you don't know anything about what Saban inherited in 2007 or you don't know what our roster looked like in 2012 or both.

If you think Bama 07 roster is better than what we had here for 2013 then there's no reason for this to go any further.

 

[VOLFan65]

LOL at this comparison.

Since Butch has arrived we have had 3 players drafted and probably going to have ZERO drafted for the second straight year.

Of the 3 guys we had drafted, 2 of them were in the 6th round.

Comparing Tennessee in 2012 to anything at Bama or LSU in the last 15 years is absurd.

:crazy:

Of course none of this would have anything to do with the fact that our and seniors were Dooley's recruits and all of the rest of our contributors were freshmen and sophomores...

 

[bignewt]

I don't need to read an article by any Hunter other than Mr. Thompson. I've been down this road many time son, and I would expect more from the stars under your name.

 

[overseasorange2]

I don't need to read an article by any Hunter other than Mr. Thompson. I've been down this road many time son, and I would expect more from the stars under your name.

Time will tell.....DAD

 

[bignewt]

I am your father

 

[HoptownVol]

Saban intherited more mess in 2007 than Butch did in 2012. He came after Shula who was a joke and NCAA also vacated Bama victories etc. In other words program was a total disaster, while Butch at least inherited clean program with no sanctions and also NFL o-line to start with.
Just as a reminder in 2008 Saban already went 10-2 and only one year later 14-0. All this are the reasons why comparing Butch to Saban is not at all absurd since we are comparing directly against our biggest historical rival (we are still the second winningest SEC program of all time). I know people desperately want Butch to succeed (count me in with them) but let's also agree we should not be lowering the standards and expectations.

Bama was more of a wreck that we were? I dont think you're familiar with the subject matter.
Its not even close.

 

[BigZiti09]

Saban intherited more mess in 2007 than Butch did in 2012. He came after Shula who was a joke and NCAA also vacated Bama victories etc. In other words program was a total disaster, while Butch at least inherited clean program with no sanctions and also NFL o-line to start with.

First, nobody is lowering expectations. I just choose to look at our roster as a realist. Second, there was nothing wrong with Shula's recruiting.

Either you don't know anything about what Saban inherited in 2007 or you don't know what our roster looked like in 2012 or both.

If you think Bama 07 roster is better than what we had here for 2013 then there's no reason for this to go any further.

Butch - Year 1 - 3 players (1, 6, 6)
Butch - Year 2 - 0 players
Butch - Year 3 - looking like zero players again

Saban - Year 1 - 0 players
Saban - Year 2 - 4 players (1, 3, 3, 3)
Saban - Year 3 - 7 players (1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 7, 7)
Saban - Year 4 - 5 players (1, 1, 1, 1, 7)


I'm done here.

 

[BigZiti09]

Bama was more of a wreck that we were? I dont think you're familiar with the subject matter.
Its not even close.

Saying Bama was in worse shape than what we were in 2013 is the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

We need to build depth in the secondary, especially at safety. We also need an elite WR in this class. An elite RB would be nice too since Hurd/Kamara could both go pro after next year. And yes, we need 3-4 OL this year.

The thing is, I agree 100% with this post, but I'm not sure where these players are going to come from. Jeff George is awesome, so there is a solid WR. Adding Velus Jones JR. would be great, but I still think that is a longshot and I don't know enough about him to know whether or not I would consider him elite.

I think we are done at RB. We have CFA, who I would consider very good but not elite, and I haven't heard us in the conversation for any more RB's lately. As far as OL go, I think Landon Dickerson is the only one we are heavily invested in but one again that one will be a fight like most of this last month will be.

Hardman would completely restore my faith, but he was always a Dawg to begin with. Regardless of who the coach is I just don't see him going anywhere else.

The 2 recruits I am most confident in landing are Brown and Warrior. Getting both of them would make me sigh a huge breath of relief, but they are both still 50/50 right now. I have faith in Butch, I really really do, but there is a lot of work left to do.

 

[TGVol]

First, nobody is lowering expectations. I just choose to look at our roster as a realist.

You are either lowering expectations or completely crazy if you think we will ever catch up to Bama by accepting that maybe just maybe finishing in top 15 in recruiting at end of year 3 is the right formula for success for the coach who has proven he must have superior talent to beat anybody of significance.

 

[BigZiti09]

You are either lowering expectations or completely crazy if you think we will ever catch up to Bama by accepting that maybe just maybe finishing in top 15 in recruiting at end of year 3 is the right formula for success for the coach who has proven he must have superior talent to beat anybody of significance.

You thought Bama 2007 was in worse shape than the Vols 2013. Tells me all I need to know.

 

[UTwild82]

JoeJuan was never UT's to lose so I am not sure why that is considered a disappointing loss and as far as Christmas goes its Louisiana and for whatever reason LSU seems to be able to pull pretty much anybody they want. The other two were asked to wait so I don't really blame them.

Sums up how I feel. It sucks to lose guys but I felt like Christmas was going to flip as soon as LSU started showing interest.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Bad example. Hugh Freeze has shown he can win with inferior talent while Butch can't, and not only at UT (look at his career record vs top 25 teams).
Also, are we going to sink so low to use Ole Miss as measuring stick for good recruiting?

Who's using them as a measuring stick? You ignorantly claimed that the only way to compete with Bama is to bring in top ten classes every year. I gave a counterpoint that showed you're wrong and overreacting.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Did it take Saban 6-7 years to build a dynasty at either LSU or Bama? Becasue that's what Butch says it will take him to do it. :crazy:

There are only 2-3 coaches in college football who could replicate what Saban has done. It's futile to use Bama as a model comparison.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

You thought Bama 2007 was in worse shape than the Vols 2013. Tells me all I need to know.

Lol especially since anybody who's anybody knows that Shula wasn't exactly a bad recruiter. Using vacated wins to equate the situation Saban took over to the one Butch took over is rofl-worthy.