Confirmed: Bachmann is either an epic hypocrite or a moron

[utvolpj]

This was 90% of the public school population in West Tennessee.

I would agree with the public schools in W TN but not in the way you are thinking

 

[lawgator1]

What is it specifically that makes Bachmann ignorant or uneducated? She has an undergrad, 2 law degrees and was a practicing tax attorney.

Honestly all the answers so far are "she believes in stuff I do not."

Winona State University? I didn't know that the star of such classics as Beetlejuice and Heathers had her own university.

And being an attorney at the IRS hardly means she understands geopolitics or economic theory. If anything, it should mean that she would take the time to learn it before talking about it. But evidently not in her case.

 

[volinbham]

Winona State University? I didn't know that the star of such classics as Beetlejuice and Heathers had her own university.

And being an attorney at the IRS hardly means she understands geopolitics or economic theory. If anything, it should mean that she would take the time to learn it before talking about it. But evidently not in her case.

Amazing.

I guess the law degree from William and Mary is meaningless as well.

All of these factors explain why U.S. News and World Report ranked William & Mary as the second best law school in Virginia. This is a high mark for the school, which is tied with George Washington University (in nearby Washington, D.C.) for the spot of 28th top law school.

 

[lumberjack4]

My gosh, Palin has almost made it a trademark to express disdain for book learnin'.

Well she did trademark her name.

Sarah Palin, Daughter Bristol Trademark Their Names - Washington Wire - WSJ

 

[lawgator1]

Amazing.

You could take the most educated brain surgeon in the world and I wouldn't want him out there glueing tiles to the bottom of the space shuttle I was about to fly.

I would agree that in terms of raw time in the classroom Bachmann has Palin beat by a country mile.

But that does not translate into Bachmann understanding what she's talking about when she throws around charges about "socialism."

 

[utgibbs]

I would agree with the public schools in W TN but not in the way you are thinking

I don't know what you are thinking, actually.

 

[lawgator1]

Well she did trademark her name.

Sarah Palin, Daughter Bristol Trademark Their Names - Washington Wire - WSJ

Too funny.

 

[utgibbs]

You could take the most educated brain surgeon in the world and I wouldn't want him out there glueing tiles to the bottom of the space shuttle I was about to fly.

I would agree that in terms of raw time in the classroom Bachmann has Palin beat by a country mile.

But that does not translate into Bachmann understanding what she's talking about when she throws around charges about "socialism."

A great cross-section of the educated American elite post on this board, and I have to see anyone who had a remote inkling of what socialism is.

In fact, they took great issue at being reminded they are posting on a college football board, a socialist institution. Unlike irony, they didn't know it when they saw it.

 

[volinbham]

You could take the most educated brain surgeon in the world and I wouldn't want him out there glueing tiles to the bottom of the space shuttle I was about to fly.

I would agree that in terms of raw time in the classroom Bachmann has Palin beat by a country mile.

But that does not translate into Bachmann understanding what she's talking about when she throws around charges about "socialism."

one has to wonder why you don't apply this standard to yourself?

 

[kev20]

A great cross-section of the educated American elite post on this board, and I have to see anyone who had a remote inkling of what socialism is.

In fact, they took great issue at being reminded they are posting on a college football board, a socialist institution. Unlike irony, they didn't know it when they saw it.

VN socialist? I was never informed of this when I signed up. sonofa...

 

[volinbham]

Do not anger Chairman Freak or it will be off to the reeducation forum for you.

 

[lawgator1]

one has to wonder why you don't apply this standard to yourself?

Specifically about socialism?

I've studied at one time or another the philosophical and governmental objective underpinnings and know, even from that relatively limited background, that there are elements or degrees of socialism in a wide range of government programs and institutions, including those founded by, supported by, and used by, current and former GOP government officials.

Even my limited background has given me the tools to recognize that people like Bachmann throw around the phrase because they have a 1950s view of the world, and think the rest of the country does because that's who shows up at their rallies. If she could hoist up pictures of Sputnik to invoke the knee jerk reaction she's hoping to get, she'd do it in a heartbeat.


But her pandering to those base instincts of, forgive me, her base, reveal a deep misunderstanding of the word along with a concomitant willingness to sling it around whenever she thinks the crowd needs a little, forgive me again, red meat.

I think Bachmann & Co. can make reasoned, well articulated, and evidence-supported arguments that a health care system based on Obama backed proposals is a bad idea. This board alone has countless threads and posts that do that. There is no legitimate reason for her not to do that.

Instead, she proffers up the standard boogeymen for the GOP faithful. Gun rights, abortion, socialism, religion.

How can we ever expect the political dialogue in this country to get to a point where we can solve problems if prominent politicians deliberately speak to us in the commonest of terms.

The solution is not to play to the lowest common denominator, which is what she and Palin do (Palin because she IS amongst the lcds). Rather, the solution is to elevate the discourse and force the lcds to keep up.

 

[n_huffhines]

So because you pay taxes, its okay for you to accept redistributed tax dollars in the form of a grant.

Know what that's called?

Socialism.

Yeah, and it's stupid.

I'd rather keep my money in the first place. Take out the middle man. So say I pay $30K into social programs in my lifetime and I take $3K. Since I oppose social programs you think it's hypocritical for me to take the $3K? I call that being practical, not hypocritical. Now if I were taking $60K, I would agree with you that it is hypocritical.

What most people don't understand is that a lot of social programs redistribute wealth from the poor to the middle class. Grants. Social Security. Medicare. Etc.

 

[Freak]

Do not anger Chairman Freak or it will be off to the reeducation forum for you.

Dictatorship?

 

[volinbham]

Specifically about socialism?

I've studied at one time or another the philosophical and governmental objective underpinnings and know, even from that relatively limited background, that there are elements or degrees of socialism in a wide range of government programs and institutions, including those founded by, supported by, and used by, current and former GOP government officials.

Even my limited background has given me the tools to recognize that people like Bachmann throw around the phrase because they have a 1950s view of the world, and think the rest of the country does because that's who shows up at their rallies. If she could hoist up pictures of Sputnik to invoke the knee jerk reaction she's hoping to get, she'd do it in a heartbeat.


But her pandering to those base instincts of, forgive me, her base, reveal a deep misunderstanding of the word along with a concomitant willingness to sling it around whenever she thinks the crowd needs a little, forgive me again, red meat.

I think Bachmann & Co. can make reasoned, well articulated, and evidence-supported arguments that a health care system based on Obama backed proposals is a bad idea. This board alone has countless threads and posts that do that. There is no legitimate reason for her not to do that.

Instead, she proffers up the standard boogeymen for the GOP faithful. Gun rights, abortion, socialism, religion.

How can we ever expect the political dialogue in this country to get to a point where we can solve problems if prominent politicians deliberately speak to us in the commonest of terms.

The solution is not to play to the lowest common denominator, which is what she and Palin do (Palin because she IS amongst the lcds). Rather, the solution is to elevate the discourse and force the lcds to keep up.

So when Obama is slinging around the words that he is pro-business and free market is he pandering to the lcd or too dumb to understand business?

Does any of the above render Obama as ignorant or uneducated?

 

[lawgator1]

So when Obama is slinging around the words that he is pro-business and free market is he pandering to the lcd or too dumb to understand business?

Does any of the above render Obama as ignorant or uneducated?

No, i think when Obama tries to assure the business community that he is doing everything he can to improve the environment for them that everyone, including me, rolls their eyes.

Whenever he gives such a speech or statement it rings very hollow. You can tell he's uncomfortable even discussing it.

 

[sjt18]

I see a lot of excuses here along the lines that its not that much money, or that if the program is there, then its okay for her farm to take the subsidy.

Neither is particularly satisfying. You simply cannot on the one hand constantly blast government programs as universally evil because they redistribute tax dollars, and then on the other take a subsidy.

So there's something inherently wrong in saying, "No one should be getting this money including me so let's change the rules for all?"

I don't think so. You are simply determined to conjure up phantoms.

 

[kev20]

No, i think when Obama tries to assure the business community that he is doing everything he can to improve the environment for them that everyone, including me, rolls their eyes.

Whenever he gives such a speech or statement it rings very hollow. You can tell he's uncomfortable even discussing it.

yet not one thread is started by you blasting him for his stupidity. hmmmmm....

 

[NEO]

No, but I wouldn't label the current functioning of the US government as socialism while actively participating and benefiting from it either.

I gotta make a comment about your pic and it in no way is a shot at you. Just a thought.

Many people don't know this but castro wears not one, but two Rolex at the same time.

If this was a banker the outcry would be loud.

 

[lawgator1]

yet not one thread is started by you blasting him for his stupidity. hmmmmm....

Didn't say he was stupid, just insincere. You can probably hang the hypocrite label on him in that respect. That rests on the assumption that he understands that what he is saying is insincere and it would appear that you, and many others, say that just about every week here.

In contrast, my complaint with Bachmann is that she says what she says about socialism, but doesn't understand what she's saying. You could argue that she's not a hypocrite because she does not comprehend that a farm accepting subsidies over 10 years is a form of socialistic government-economy mix.

I think that's also a fair characterization.

As I said from the gitgo, my money is on her being a moron.

 

[NEO]

If she's such a moron why was she hired by the US Treasury to protect them from tax cheats?

 

[kev20]

Didn't say he was stupid, just insincere. You can probably hang the hypocrite label on him in that respect. That rests on the assumption that he understands that what he is saying is insincere and it would appear that you, and many others, say that just about every week here.

In contrast, my complaint with Bachmann is that she says what she says about socialism, but doesn't understand what she's saying. You could argue that she's not a hypocrite because she does not comprehend that a farm accepting subsidies over 10 years is a form of socialistic government-economy mix.

I think that's also a fair characterization.

As I said from the gitgo, my money is on her being a moron.

not me. I'm rarely in here.

 

[sjt18]

Specifically about socialism?

I've studied at one time or another the philosophical and governmental objective underpinnings and know, even from that relatively limited background, that there are elements or degrees of socialism in a wide range of government programs and institutions, including those founded by, supported by, and used by, current and former GOP government officials.

Then you should know that what we have isn't technically socialism. Obama's approach isn't socialism either though it is a term that has broadened enough to include most anyone in favor of a high level of gov't dominance within the economy. His economic policies are much better defined by another branch of eco-political thought that descended from Marx's humanist generation- Fascism.

I am not accusing him of the methods used by fascists like the Nazis. However his ideals about a centrally controlled but privately owned economy is very, very similar.

Even my limited background has given me the tools to recognize that people like Bachmann throw around the phrase because they have a 1950s view of the world, and think the rest of the country does because that's who shows up at their rallies. If she could hoist up pictures of Sputnik to invoke the knee jerk reaction she's hoping to get, she'd do it in a heartbeat.

And as usual when you attempt to read the minds of those with whom you disagree.... you are wrong. Do you actually think the ideas of the left today are novel? They are a rehash of ideas that failed repeatedly throughout recorded history.

You guys make me laugh with this sort of "we're better because we've come up with something new for modern times".

The rule of law, respect for individual rights, and free market economy established at the beginning of our country works. There are problems but they're nothing compared to where your regurgitated statists ideals have taken and will take us.

Instead, she proffers up the standard boogeymen for the GOP faithful. Gun rights, abortion, socialism, religion.

Why aren't those legitimate issues? Has the left attempted to reduce or even eliminate gun rights? Yes. Has the left promoted abortion on demand and resisted even benign attempts to require that women receive education before having one? Yes. Has and does the left advocate a big gov't solution for virtually every "boogeyman" they can construct? Yes. Has the left attempted to force religion and opinions derived from religious worldviews out of the public square? Yes.

Unlike your frequent charges against conservatives, I can provide specific and recent examples of each of these things. Attempts at legislation... popular "rallies"...

How can we ever expect the political dialogue in this country to get to a point where we can solve problems if prominent politicians deliberately speak to us in the commonest of terms.

To you, solving problems means that conservatives/libertarians abandon their ideals and take a "lighter" version of what you want. That isn't problems solving to us.

The solution is not to play to the lowest common denominator, which is what she and Palin do (Palin because she IS amongst the lcds). Rather, the solution is to elevate the discourse and force the lcds to keep up.

You have to be kidding. They speak to people about protecting rights and ideals from people who have manifestly demonstrated that they would like to see them diminished or done away with altogether.

OTOH, what are leftists doing when they claim Ryan's budget will make seniors choose between medicine and food? Who were the union leaders in WI playing to? When Dems call the most modest efforts to reign in the run away spending... what would you call it when Dems call it draconian or attacks on the poor?

What about your very own unsubstantiated charges of racism toward TP folks? Is that not playing to the LCD?

 

[utgibbs]

VN socialist? I was never informed of this when I signed up. sonofa...

College football is a socialist institution.

VN therefore is, in the vocabulary of bourgeois economics, "downstream" of this socialist juggernaut.

 

[lawgator1]

You guys make me laugh with this sort of "we're better because we've come up with something new for modern times".

You mean like science and modern thought?

The rule of law, respect for individual rights, and free market economy established at the beginning of our country works. There are problems but they're nothing compared to where your regurgitated statists ideals have taken and will take us.

The principles work, I agree. But when they are warped to suit either end of the spectrum, that tends to suck. And what is even worse is their blind invocation, by folks who do not understand them, to folks who do not understand them, in a painfully obvious attempt to continue the warping.


Why aren't those legitimate issues? Has the left attempted to reduce or even eliminate gun rights? Yes. where the gun rights lead to infringement on others' rights.

Has the left promoted abortion on demand
No, no one is PROMOTING abortion on demand. But the left does support choice. Which you then intentionally mislabel as "promoting" abortion.

and resisted even benign attempts to require that women receive education before having one? Yes.
That's funny -- "benign education." I've got to remember that one.



To you, solving problems means that conservatives/libertarians abandon their ideals and take a "lighter" version of what you want. That isn't problems solving to us.


Huh? If its bad to ask that conservatives have, you know, actual reasons to do things, then guilty as charged.


OTOH, what are leftists doing when they claim Ryan's budget will make seniors choose between medicine and food?
It will.


Who were the union leaders in WI playing to?
Democrats. Small "d."

When Dems call the most modest efforts to reign in the run away spending... what would you call it when Dems call it draconian or attacks on the poor?
The truth.

What about your very own unsubstantiated charges of racism toward TP folks? Is that not playing to the LCD?
No, its identifying the LCD.

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