Congress Criminal Referral Clinton, Comey, McCabe, Lynch, Strzok, and Page to DOJ

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1972 Grad said:
Just what I thought. There could be significant differences in what they can find out then.
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That is why Durham issued his statement regarding his disagreement with some of Horowitz's report's conclusions regarding the incipient events that the FBI FISA Application and investigation were based upon. He has collected information from people inside and outside the country, people who are no longer government employees and people who never were. He can and has gone places Horowitz could never go to obtain information.

His statement was essentially a "head's up."
 
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So this is less of a dud then the Mueller report. Cool!

Cherish the small victories..gonna need it for 4 more years of Trump.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Horowitz investigates within the DOJ, while Durham can investigate outside it.
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Whenever you see Durham's name, it's always followed by the words "the handpicked prosecutor of AG William Barr". Even to that extent, Durham has "said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department's inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence."

This story is dead.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Well, he is about all you have left to cling to. This whole thing didn't come out the way you thought it would. LOL
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Pretty much exactly how I thought it would, I have said from the beginning nothing would happen because some in this country are above the law. I had repeated that many times on here, not my problem reading is hard for you.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Whenever you see Durham's name, it's always followed by the words "the handpicked prosecutor of AG William Barr". Even to that extent, Durham has "said he could not offer evidence to the Justice Department's inspector general to support the suspicions of some conservatives that the case was a setup by American intelligence."

This story is dead.
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I wouldn't write Durham off just yet.
 
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"Review of Four FISA Applications and Other Aspects of the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane Investigation" - "We did not find any documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the FBI's decision to conduct these operations."
 
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Look, this is really not that tough.

1) There is overwhelming evidence that Russia engaged in a number of tactics to affect the election. You can debate whether that is because they liked Trump, or hated Clinton, or some combination of both. But its a fact that Russia wanted him to win/her to lose.

2) The Trump campaign benefited from that. Was it enough to say that is why Trump won? No way to calculate that in such a fashion that the answer can be known. Its there. But either side claiming absolutely it did, or did not, change the outcome is just exaggerating.

3) The degree to which it was coordinated or accepted by the Trump campaign, or even realized at the time, is unknowable at this point. Personally, I think they knew more than they admit. But I cannot prove it, there is no way to prove it at this point. And so I accept that the focus now needs to be on preventing it from happening again.

4) It is similarly unreasonable to criticize those who raised alarms about this, as it happened or in the investigation. Just as I must admit I cannot prove Trump's express complicity in Russian interference, his defenders cannot reasonably maintain that the situation was not serious enough to investigate.

So now we move forward. Diligence must be undertaken moving forward to thwart Russian interference in our elections, and that is not just limited to Trump in the immediate future.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Look, this is really not that tough.

1) There is overwhelming evidence that Russia engaged in a number of tactics to affect the election. You can debate whether that is because they liked Trump, or hated Clinton, or some combination of both. But its a fact that Russia wanted him to win/her to lose.

2) The Trump campaign benefited from that. Was it enough to say that is why Trump won? No way to calculate that in such a fashion that the answer can be known. Its there. But either side claiming absolutely it did, or did not, change the outcome is just exaggerating.

3) The degree to which it was coordinated or accepted by the Trump campaign, or even realized at the time, is unknowable at this point. Personally, I think they knew more than they admit. But I cannot prove it, there is no way to prove it at this point. And so I accept that the focus now needs to be on preventing it from happening again.

4) It is similarly unreasonable to criticize those who raised alarms about this, as it happened or in the investigation. Just as I must admit I cannot prove Trump's express complicity in Russian interference, his defenders cannot reasonably maintain that the situation was not serious enough to investigate.

So now we move forward. Diligence must be undertaken moving forward to thwart Russian interference in our elections, and that is not just limited to Trump in the immediate future.
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The June 9, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower did happen. The investigation was justified.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Look, this is really not that tough.

1) There is overwhelming evidence that Russia engaged in a number of tactics to affect the election. You can debate whether that is because they liked Trump, or hated Clinton, or some combination of both. But its a fact that Russia wanted him to win/her to lose.

2) The Trump campaign benefited from that. Was it enough to say that is why Trump won? No way to calculate that in such a fashion that the answer can be known. Its there. But either side claiming absolutely it did, or did not, change the outcome is just exaggerating.

3) The degree to which it was coordinated or accepted by the Trump campaign, or even realized at the time, is unknowable at this point. Personally, I think they knew more than they admit. But I cannot prove it, there is no way to prove it at this point. And so I accept that the focus now needs to be on preventing it from happening again.

4) It is similarly unreasonable to criticize those who raised alarms about this, as it happened or in the investigation. Just as I must admit I cannot prove Trump's express complicity in Russian interference, his defenders cannot reasonably maintain that the situation was not serious enough to investigate.

So now we move forward. Diligence must be undertaken moving forward to thwart Russian interference in our elections, and that is not just limited to Trump in the immediate future.
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Wrong as usual, the Russians want and wanted chaos. You all have provided that probably better than Putin had ever even hoped you all would. You all are the puppet you accuse Trump of being
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The June 9, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower did happen. The investigation was justified.
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Of course it was. And we can debate the outcome of it and what it meant. How effective it ultimately was.

Regardless of that, it would seem like anyone and everyone would advocate that we be much more vigilant to prevent it from happening again, regardless of degree.
 
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