Congress Criminal Referral Clinton, Comey, McCabe, Lynch, Strzok, and Page to DOJ

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Mick said:
"The agency approved Page as an “operational contact” from 2008 to 2013, according to the report."
He was previously an operational contact for the CIA but not when the FISA was taken out. That's the fact. Previously being an asset does not give you special treatment in the FISA court.

Do you really feel he was an asset for the CIA when they sought the FISA? If so he was a CIA spy in the Trump Campaign.
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The “low level lawyer” Kevin Clinesmith changed an email from the CIA to state that Carter Page was NOT a source when the email stated the opposite.

This was one of the 17 “mistakes” the IG reported
 
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So today's spin is Carter Page was a CIA asset when the FISA was sought? Do you morons actually believe that?
 
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davethevol said:
Um, he was, and that's not disputable at this point.
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You're going to have to do better than that. I disputed the hell out of it and haven't received a coherent rebuttal yet.
"The agency approved Page as an “operational contact” from 2008 to 2013, according to the report."
 
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Mick said:
You're going to have to do better than that. I disputed the hell out of it and haven't received a coherent rebuttal yet.
"The agency approved Page as an “operational contact” from 2008 to 2013, according to the report."
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Maybe you should actually read the report and watch the Horowitz testimony. The FBI deleted information about his connection to the CIA in an email before presenting to the FISA court presenting Page as a Russian asset. He wasn't. The FISA court is pretty ticked off about it, or did you miss that as well?
 
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Mick said:
"The agency approved Page as an “operational contact” from 2008 to 2013, according to the report."
He was previously an operational contact for the CIA but not when the FISA was taken out. That's the fact. Previously being an asset does not give you special treatment in the FISA court.

Do you really feel he was an asset for the CIA when they sought the FISA? If so he was a CIA spy in the Trump Campaign.
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I don't that he was at the exact time but the officer with the Cia assessed Page as “candidly” . By the things I have read, I don't think he was ever "working" for the CIA. It looks like they just ask him to report to them about his dealings with the Russians that he worked with.

No, I don't think he was spying on either campaign he was working for. I think they saw his previous work with Russians as a way to look into the campaigns.
 
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Mick said:
You're going to have to do better than that. I disputed the hell out of it and haven't received a coherent rebuttal yet.
"The agency approved Page as an “operational contact” from 2008 to 2013, according to the report."
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Which they conveniently left out when they were seeking a fisa warrant. Why do you think that is @Mick
 
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davethevol said:
Maybe you should actually read the report and watch the Horowitz testimony. The FBI deleted information about his connection to the CIA in an email before presenting to the FISA court presenting Page as a Russian asset. He wasn't. The FISA court is pretty ticked off about it, or did you miss that as well?
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C. The Pre-Existing FBI New York Field Office Counterintelligence Investigation of Carter Page The OGC Unit Chief told us that of all the individuals associated with the Trump campaign best positioned to have received the alleged offer of assistance from Russia, Carter Page "quickly rose to the top" of the list because of his past connections to Russian officials and the FBl's previous contacts with Page. As reflected in the FISA applications described in Chapters Five and Seven, as well as in other FBI documents, NYFO had an interest in Carter Page for several years before August 2016 and had interviewed him on multiple occasions because of his relationships with individuals the FBI knew to be Russian intelligence officers. An FBI counterintelligence agent in NYFO (NYFO CI Agent) with extensive experience in Russian matters told the OIG that Carter Page had been on NYFO's radar since 2009, when he had contact with a known Russian intelligence officer (Intelligence Officer 1). According to the EC documenting NYFO's June 2009 interview with Page, Page told NYFO agents that he knew and kept in regular contact with Intelligence Officer 1 and provided him with a copy of a non-public annual report from an American company. The EC stated that Page "immediately advised [the agents] that due to his work and overseas experiences, he has been questioned by and provides information to representatives of [another U.S. government agency] on an ongoing basis." The EC also noted that agents did not ask Page any questions about his dealings with the other U.S. government agency during the interviews. 180 NYFO CI agents believed that Carter Page was "passed" from Intelligence Officer 1 to a successor Russian intelligence officer (Intelligence Officer 2) in 2013 and that Page would continue to be introduced to other Russian intelligence officers in the future. 181 In June 2013, NYFO CI agents interviewed Carter Page about these contacts. Page acknowledged meeting Intelligence Officer 2 following an introduction earlier in 2013. When agents intimated to Carter Page during the interview that Intelligence Officer 2 may be a Russian intelligence officer, specifically, an "SVR" officer, Page told them he believed in "openness" and because 180 On or about August 17, 2016, the Crossfire Hurricane team received a memorandum from the other U.S. government agency detailing its prior relationship with Carter Page, including that Page had been approved as an operational contact for the other agency from 2008 to 2013 and information that Page had provided to the other agency concerning Page's prior contacts with certain Russian intelligence officers. We found no evidence that, after receiving the August 17 Memorandum, the Crossfire Hurricane team requested additional information from the other agency prior to submission of the first FISA application in order to deconflict on issues that we believe were relevant to the FISA application. According to the U.S. government agency, "operational contact," as that term is used in the August 17 Memorandum, provides "Contact Approval," which allows the agency to contact and discuss sensitive information with a U.S. person and to collect information from that person via "passive debriefing," or debriefing a person of information that is within the knowledge of an individual and has been acquired through the normal course of that individual's activities. According to the U.S. government agency, a "Contact Approval" does not allow for operational use of a U.S. person or tasking of that person. 181 CI agents refer to this as "slot succession," whereby a departing intelligence officer "passes" his or her contacts to an incoming intelligence officer. 61 he did not have access to classified information, his acquaintance with Intelligence Officer 2 was a "positive" for him. In August 2013, NYFO CI agents again interviewed Page regarding his contacts with Intelligence Officer 2. Page acknowledged meeting with Intelligence Officer 2 since his June 2013 FBI interview. In January 2015, three Russian intelligence officers, including Intelligence Officer 2, were charged in a sealed complaint, and subsequently indicted, in the Southern District of New York (SDNY) for conspiring to act in the United States as unregistered agents of the Russian Federation. 182 The indictment referenced Intelligence Officer 2's attempts to recruit "Male-1" as an asset for gathering intelligence on behalf of Russia. On March 2, 2016, the NYFO CI Agent and SDNY Assistant United States Attorneys interviewed Carter Page in preparation for the trial of one of the indicted Russian intelligence officers. During the interview, Page stated that he knew he was the person referred to as Male-1 in the indictment and further said that he had identified himself as Male-1 to a Russian Minister and various Russian officials at a United Nations event in "the spirit of openness." The NYFO CI Agent told us she returned to her office after the interview and discussed with her supervisor opening a counterintelligence case on Page based on his statement to Russian officials that he believed he was Male-1 in the indictment and his continued contact with Russian intelligence officers. The FBI's NYFO CI squad supervisor (NYFO CI Supervisor) told us she believed she should have opened a counterintelligence case on Carter Page prior to March 2, 2016 based on his continued contacts with Russian intelligence officers; however, she said the squad was preparing for a big trial, and they did not focus on Page until he was interviewed again on March 2. She told us that after the March 2 interview, she called CD's Counterespionage Section at FBI Headquarters to determine whether Page had any security clearances and to ask for guidance as to what type of investigation to open on Page. 183 On April 1, 2016, the NYFO CI Supervisor received an email from the Counterespionage Section advising her to o en a investi ation on Pa e. The NYFO CI Su ervisor said that In addition, according to FBI records, the relevant CD section at FBI Headquarters, in consultation with OGC, determined at that time that the Page investigation opened by NYFO was not a SIM, but also noted, "should his status change, the appropriate case modification would be made." The NYFO CI Supervisor told us that based on what was documented in 182 Intelligence Officer 3 pied guilty in March 2016. The remaining two indicted Russian intelligence officers were no longer in the United States. 183 CI agents in NYFO told us that the databases containing security clearance information were located at FBI Headquarters. When a subject possesses a security clearance, the FBI opens an espionage investigation; if the subject does not possess a security clearance, the FBI typically opens a counterintelligence investigation. 62 the file and what was known at that time, the NYFO Carter Page investigation was not a SIM. Although Carter Page was announced as a foreign policy advisor for the Trump campaign prior to NYFO receiving this guidance from FBI Headquarters, the NYFO CI Supervisor and CI Agent both told the OIG that this announcement did not influence their decision to open a case on Page and that their concerns about Page, particularly his disclosure to the Russians about his role in the indictment, predated the announcement. However, the NYFO CI Supervisor said that the announcement required noting his new position in the case file should his new position require he obtain a security clearance. On April 6, 2016, NYFO opened a counterintelligence - investigation on Carter Page under a code name the FBI assigned to him (NYFO investigation) based on his contacts with Russian intelligence officers and his statement to Russian officials that he was "Male-1" in the SONY indictment. Based on our review of documents in the NYFO case file, as well as our interview of the NYFO CI Agent, there was limited investigative activity in the NYFO investigation between April 6 and the Crossfire Hurricane team's opening of its investigation of Page on August 10. The NYFO CI Agent told the OIG that the steps she took in the first few months of the case were to observe whether any other intelligence officers contacted Page and to prepare national security letters seeking Carter Page's cell phone number(s) and residence information. The NYFO CI agent said that she did not use any CHSs to target Page during the NYFO investigation. The NYFO investigation was transferred to the Crossfire Hurricane team on August 10 and became part of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

Reports: Carter Page Was Subject to FISA Warrant in 2013/2014 - Just Security

To suggest that the FISA court didn't know about Page's previous "work" is BS.
 
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Trying to paint Carter Page as a patriotic counterintelligence source, the FISA court was unaware of, is laughable.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
IF..... that whole article is an IF. Did you even read that before you posted it? Are you seriously going to take what some unnamed person told CNN above what is in the IG report?
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He hasn’t read the actual report or watched Horowitz’s interviews.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
IF..... that whole article is an IF. Did you even read that before you posted it? Are you seriously going to take what some unnamed person told CNN above what is in the IG report?
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It's true, but you have been known to ignore what's inconvenient to your arguments.
 
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davethevol said:
He hasn’t read the actual report or watched Horowitz’s interviews.
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Horowitz did his job of scrutinizing the FBI and stated in the report and during the Senate hearing the FISA, on Carter Page was warranted and had adequate predicate to justify all 4 FISA's.
 
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Mick said:
You're going to have to do better than that. I disputed the hell out of it and haven't received a coherent rebuttal yet.
"The agency approved Page as an “operational contact” from 2008 to 2013, according to the report."
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That's the last time you get spoon fed anything from me derp.... Read the report.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
You are a brick wall. Its in the IG report.
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The left is in full denial mode today because of what they are doing. Like hog (I think) said... I have never watched a suicide (he said someone shoot themselves in the foot). It's going to be interesting and I am sure I won't be able to look away.
 
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