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#52
#52
allvol123 said:
therealUT said:
No. Tosu does not have to make a case to make the National Title game.

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Who in the hell said anything about OSU needing to make a case to be in the NC game?
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That is the only way your logic about UM almost losing to Ball State and Tosu almost losing to Michigan would work. I was just pointing out the flaw in your reasoning.
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#53
#53
therealUT said:
allvol123 said:
That is the only way your logic about UM almost losing to Ball State and Tosu almost losing to Michigan would work. I was just pointing out the flaw in your reasoning.
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I was not using that as my reasoning, I was comparing it to the gentleman who was throwing up the shining moments on Michigan's resume and ignoring the bad moments. To show him his reasoning is flawed when only doing that.
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#54
#54
allvol123 said:
therealUT said:
I was not using that as my reasoning, I was comparing it to the gentleman who was throwing up the shining moments on Michigan's resume and ignoring the bad moments. To show him his reasoning is flawed when only doing that.
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Michigan has only one bad moment on its resume: the loss to Ohio State. Everything else on their resume is accompanied by the letter W.
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#55
#55
therealUT said:
Considering it was Tosu that actually committed mistakes usually attributed to the visiting school in a hostile environment
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Like? Ohio State had 1 penalty that was "usually attributed to the visiting school in a hostile environment," which was a delay of game. Michigan had a false start, which is 1 as well.

Each team had at least 1 personal foul, each team had a hold, and OSU has 2 PIs.

If you're talking about INTs, that doesn't deal with your point. Also, the two fumbled snaps, as you know, were due to the center having a hard cast and generally being bad at snapping that night.

I actually think the hostile environment had little impact, but still a little.
 
#58
#58
We will see a rematch . USC is not better than Michigan, hell OSU was only 3 points better Saturday. USC should not have a chance. hell they lost to a unranked team, furthermore why are they even ranked this high losing to Oregon State ?
 
#60
#60
therealUT said:
I was attributing it to the bad snaps and blown coverage on Manningham.
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The bad snaps had nothing to do with any kind of hostile environment. As they stated ad nauseum during the broadcast, the center had a cast on his hand and wasn't gripping well.

Blown coverage, IMO, has nothing to do with HFA either. Miscommunications during a play, I imagine, are not a product of HFA.
 
#61
#61
Mr. Rockytop said:
We will see a rematch . USC is not better than Michigan, hell OSU was only 3 points better Saturday. USC should not have a chance. hell they lost to a unranked team, furthermore why are they even ranked this high losing to Oregon State ?
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It seems that most arguments against Michigan contain nothing more than "there shouldn't be a rematch." There are a few good arguments for USC and if USC made it into the Championship game, I would not think it was a travesty. However, if ND, Florida, or Arkansas snuck in to the title game, then Michigan has grounds to be upset.
 
#63
#63
therealUT said:
It seems that most arguments against Michigan contain nothing more than "there shouldn't be a rematch." There are a few good arguments for USC and if USC made it into the Championship game, I would not think it was a travesty. However, if ND, Florida, or Arkansas snuck in to the title game, then Michigan has grounds to be upset.
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Right freaking on! I agree 100%! Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, on this board has given a LEGIT reason for Michigan not to play OSU again, besides the weak one we hear daily.

They are the SAME people who say the BCS is a sham, while they say a possible TRUE 1 v. 2 matchup shouldn't happen because it's a rematch.

If we want a true 1 v 2 and USC loses, it should be Michigan's.
 
#64
#64
I like the fact that you actually think through this stuff AZ. Certainly makes discussing sports a worthwhile venture.
 
#65
#65
therealUT said:
I like the fact that you actually think through this stuff AZ. Certainly makes discussing sports a worthwhile venture.
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Absolutely agreed and I feel the same about you. A majority of people here have so many personal biases against other teams and conferences, that they can't give fair opinions. It's okay for people to do that if they are clear that they are just Vol fans. It's when people try to pass their opinions off as a college football fan when I can READ the bias clear as day. I know sometimes I come off as a pompous arse, but I like in depth, insightful discussion, and sometimes people just don't give fair analysis.

I'm ranting andnnnnnnnnnnd I'm done.
 
#66
#66
Heck, I hate Tosu, Michigan, and USC...and I love ND. Yet, if ND made it in ahead of USC or Michigan, then something is wrong.
 
#67
#67
I dislike all 4, TBH. However, I still have a pipe dream of one day making money for writing or talking about NCAAF, so I take my stances seriously.

It's also hilarious when people say the computer polls have bias, yet say nothing about the human polls.
 
#68
#68
I enjoy how some people actually think the coaches actually vote and that AP voters see every game...Between being on location the whole day at the game they are covering, conducting post game interviews, and then having to turn in their votes by ?noon? on Sunday, I imagine they do little more than read the box scores.
 
#69
#69
therealUT said:
So, the unforced turnovers by Tosu count in your book, however, the unforced error in the form of the hit on Troy Smith means nothing to you...

I really love how people like to pick and choose what they want out of these games.

That game was easily one of the best games of the season, and both teams were very evenly matched. Heck, if the ground doesn't give way on Steve Breaston on 4th down, Michigan gets points out of that drive.
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I definitely see your point that it is hard to start using errors to rationalize the closeness or blowout nature of a game. But, I still think that tOSU outplayed Michigan and the only reason it was close was because of those two unforced turnovers. There is a difference between sustaining a drive and turning a ball over. At least tOSU could have punted if the Michigan player hadn't messed up.
 
#70
#70
I agree with you. Each type of ranking has a huge flaw. The humans have bias and can't see all the games. The computers are unable to give head to head any weight.

If we could somehow combine them ... oh wait, we CAN! LET ME DETERMINE IT! :D
 
#71
#71
TennTradition said:
I definitely see your point that it is hard to start using errors to rationalize the closeness or blowout nature of a game. But, I still think that tOSU outplayed Michigan and the only reason it was close was because of those two unforced turnovers. There is a difference between sustaining a drive and turning a ball over. At least tOSU could have punted if the Michigan player hadn't messed up.
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But, Tosu scored a TD on that drive. All other things being equal, if Tosu comes away with only a FG on that drive, Michigan wins by 4...
 
#72
#72
VolinArizona said:
Absolutely agreed and I feel the same about you. A majority of people here have so many personal biases against other teams and conferences, that they can't give fair opinions. It's okay for people to do that if they are clear that they are just Vol fans. It's when people try to pass their opinions off as a college football fan when I can READ the bias clear as day. I know sometimes I come off as a pompous arse, but I like in depth, insightful discussion, and sometimes people just don't give fair analysis.

I'm ranting andnnnnnnnnnnd I'm done.
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I am a Vol fan, but not sure how that enters into any of this. I dislike OSU, UM, and USC equally, so agiain that does play into my opinion. UM played OSU close, it is a rivalry game, that happens in many rivalries. Tressel owns Carr, not sure why I need to see them play again in 7 weeks, to see the outcome I saw yesterday.
 
#73
#73
allvol123 said:
I am a Vol fan, but not sure how that enters into any of this. I dislike OSU, UM, and USC equally, so agiain that does play into my opinion. UM played OSU close, it is a rivalry game, that happens in many rivalries. Tressel owns Carr, not sure why I need to see them play again in 7 weeks, to see the outcome I saw yesterday.
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Summary:

Regardless of what happens, since Michigan lost to #1 Ohio State, Michigan is at best the #3 team in the nation.
 
#74
#74
allvol123 said:
I am a Vol fan, but not sure how that enters into any of this. I dislike OSU, UM, and USC equally, so agiain that does play into my opinion. UM played OSU close, it is a rivalry game, that happens in many rivalries. Tressel owns Carr, not sure why I need to see them play again in 7 weeks, to see the outcome I saw yesterday.
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Do you feel like Michigan is the 2nd best team in the country? Forget about what them being #2 would set up, but do you feel they are?
 
#75
#75
therealUT said:
But, Tosu scored a TD on that drive. All other things being equal, if Tosu comes away with only a FG on that drive, Michigan wins by 4...
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Ummm....why? In that case, that would have given tOSU 4 fewer point and they won by three, so that would be a one point loss, not 4, right? Also, I didn't mean to say the drive meant nothing..that was huge. Michigan wasn't doing much to stop tOSU when those fumbles happened. Each of those drives could have very well resulted in points considering what was going on in the game at the time.

I'm not saying that Michigan was horrible. The game would not have been a blowout. But, I think that tOSU seemed to outplay Michigan by more like 7 or 10, not 3.
 
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