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#101
#101
The Top Three reasons not to have an OSU-
Mich rematch are:

1) Michigan did not win its conference. I am phioloshically opposed to a team winning the NT having not won its conference.

2) If Michigan were to win it, what would that say about OSU's win? What was the point of their playing in the first place?

3) Its boring to see two teams from the same conference play for the NT. Better I think for the sport to have the big bad team from the Midwest face off against either the PAC 10 champs from the West Coast, the SEC champs from the South, or even an independent, like Notre Dame, that plays everywhere. I just think it is more fun as a fan to see the different styles of play matched on the field.
 
#102
#102
therealUT said:
No. Tosu does not have to make a case to make the National Title game.

When you compare Michigans resume to the other 1 loss teams, the only resume that even comes close is USC's. The tie breaker on that, is that USC lost to an unranked team, Michigan lost to the #1 team in the country.
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Hard to argue with this.
 
#103
#103
lawgator1 said:
The Top Three reasons not to have an OSU-
Mich rematch are:

1) Michigan did not win its conference. I am phioloshically opposed to a team winning the NT having not won its conference.

2) If Michigan were to win it, what would that say about OSU's win? What was the point of their playing in the first place?

3) Its boring to see two teams from the same conference play for the NT. Better I think for the sport to have the big bad team from the Midwest face off against either the PAC 10 champs from the West Coast, the SEC champs from the South, or even an independent, like Notre Dame, that plays everywhere. I just think it is more fun as a fan to see the different styles of play matched on the field.
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Since so many of us wish there were a playoff, #'s 1 and 2 of your argument are eliminated. Playoffs do not discriminate among conference winners or who won during the regular season.

As for #3, I agree but if the BCS is supposed to put #1 and #2 together it's hard to argue that Michigan still isn't the 2nd best team out there. If USC and UF run the table, they can argue it just the same. If ND wins out, then Michigan must go since they beat ND.
 
#105
#105
volinbham said:
Since so many of us wish there were a playoff, #'s 1 and 2 of your argument are eliminated. Playoffs do not discriminate among conference winners or who won during the regular season.

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If you are pro-playoff, playoffs also do not allow a team to turn around and play the team that just beat them.
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#106
#106
I assume you are excluding double-elimination playoffs :p

On a more serious note, the regular season and the playoffs are separate entities. Winning/losing in the regular season only affects seeding. OhSt. and Michigan's regular season game would have virtually no bearing on their meeting in the playoffs other than bracketing.
 
#107
#107
volinbham said:
I assume you are excluding round-robin playoffs :p

On a more serious note, the regular season and the playoffs are separate entities. Winning/losing in the regular season only affects seeding. OhSt. and Michigan's regular season game would have virtually no bearing on their meeting in the playoffs other than bracketing.
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True.
 
#108
#108
volinbham said:
Since so many of us wish there were a playoff, #'s 1 and 2 of your argument are eliminated. Playoffs do not discriminate among conference winners or who won during the regular season.

As for #3, I agree but if the BCS is supposed to put #1 and #2 together it's hard to argue that Michigan still isn't the 2nd best team out there. If USC and UF run the table, they can argue it just the same. If ND wins out, then Michigan must go since they beat ND.
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Yeah, but see, here's the thing...

























We don't have a playoff.
 
#109
#109
lawgator1 said:
Yeah, but see, here's the thing...

We don't have a playoff.
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Precisely - so anybody's argument is as good as anyone else's and the BCS doesn't solve much at all.


If I was you and UF wins out but watches Michigan in a rematch, I'd be pissed. I know some Auburn fans that you can do a group session with :whistling:
 
#110
#110
Sorry but Michigan's vaunted defense sprung a leak. The thing that pisses me off is that they scored a meaningless touchdown to make the game look close. Michigan was almost as overmatched as UT was against LSU. Look at the stats.

Sorry, but we would not be discussing this if these were two SEC teams. That is the way I feel. Call me crazy SEC fan if you like.
 
#111
#111
Lexvol said:
Sorry but Michigan's vaunted defense sprung a leak. The thing that pisses me off is that they scored a meaningless touchdown to make the game look close. Michigan was almost as overmatched as UT was against LSU. Look at the stats.

Sorry, but we would not be discussing this if these were two SEC teams. That is the way I feel. Call me crazy SEC fan if you like.
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Oh you will be called something for even the slightest suggestion that the OSU/UM game was not as close as what the score showed.
 
#112
#112
Lexvol said:
Sorry but Michigan's vaunted defense sprung a leak. The thing that pisses me off is that they scored a meaningless touchdown to make the game look close. Michigan was almost as overmatched as UT was against LSU. Look at the stats.

Sorry, but we would not be discussing this if these were two SEC teams. That is the way I feel. Call me crazy SEC fan if you like.
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the truth....
 
#113
#113
VolinArizona said:
Right freaking on! I agree 100%! Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, on this board has given a LEGIT reason for Michigan not to play OSU again, besides the weak one we hear daily.

They are the SAME people who say the BCS is a sham, while they say a possible TRUE 1 v. 2 matchup shouldn't happen because it's a rematch.

If we want a true 1 v 2 and USC loses, it should be Michigan's.
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The main argument I hear over and over in favor of the BCS and against a playoff is that it gives meaning to the regular season, which would be lost in a playoff format. I'm sorry, but if you gime UM another shot it makes yesterday's game meaningless.
 
#114
#114
volinbham said:
Precisely - so anybody's argument is as good as anyone else's and the BCS doesn't solve much at all.


If I was you and UF wins out but watches Michigan in a rematch, I'd be pissed. I know some Auburn fans that you can do a group session with :whistling:
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Lexvol said:
Sorry but Michigan's vaunted defense sprung a leak. The thing that pisses me off is that they scored a meaningless touchdown to make the game look close. Michigan was almost as overmatched as UT was against LSU. Look at the stats.

Sorry, but we would not be discussing this if these were two SEC teams. That is the way I feel. Call me crazy SEC fan if you like.
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I would be disappointed and think it a shame. But first, Florida's only NT was in '96, when we lost as #1 to then #2 FSU at end of regular season, then went on to win the SEC title game and back into a rematch, ourselves.

There are some difference, to be sure, but still.

Second, its Florida's own fault for being mediocre for most of the year. We can't beat Vandy handily when we know we need to so as to get some style points, we cannot criticize anyone else for our plight.
 
#115
#115
lawgator1 said:
The Top Three reasons not to have an OSU-
Mich rematch are:

1) Michigan did not win its conference. I am phioloshically opposed to a team winning the NT having not won its conference.
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This is an excellent point. I never even thought of this. This is the 1st argument I've heard that really makes ssense. Good stuff, LG.
 
#116
#116
lawgator1 said:
I would be disappointed and think it a shame. But first, Florida's only NT was in '96, when we lost as #1 to then #2 FSU at end of regular season, then went on to win the SEC title game and back into a rematch, ourselves.

There are some difference, to be sure, but still.

Second, its Florida's own fault for being mediocre for most of the year. We can't beat Vandy handily when we know we need to so as to get some style points, we cannot criticize anyone else for our plight.
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The media is making this Michigan team out to be as unbeatable as OSU. Sorry, but that is simply not the case. Those guys are beatable. From what I saw there is plenty to debate regarding who the second best team is. When is the last time anybody sprung two 75 yard runs on Texas, Florida or USC in the same freaking game?
 
#117
#117
Lexvol said:
The media is making this Michigan team out to be as unbeatable as OSU. Sorry, but that is simply not the case. Those guys are beatable. From what I saw there is plenty to debate regarding who the second best team is. When is the last time anybody sprung two 75 yard runs on Texas, Florida or USC in the same freaking game?
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Exaclty my point. I do think that in the next two weeks, with Michigan idle, you will start to hear some grumbling about that on the sports shows. That the defense in that game was lousy. That maybe these teams are not as complete as they appear to be.

And that could open the door to a USC, a Florida, or an Arkansas. I do think Notre Dame is out of it due to loss at hands of Michigan. But if Florida and Arkansas place a classic game, with lots of hard hitting and someone looks really good coming out of that game, there may be a bit of momentum in that direction.

Precisely because of the lack of defense in this weekend's OSU-Michigan game.
 
#118
#118
I've never been for the Michigan/Ohio State rematch possibility, and no matter how good Michigan may be, I'm still not that crazy about it. They had their chance, and they lost. They were playing catch up for the majority of the game, and they never caught up.
 
#119
#119
Michigan being idle works against them.

USC, ND and UF all have big games against legit opponents. Winning those games handily will have a big impact.

Michigan did what they could. They won every game but one and the one they lost was to the best team in the country.
 
#120
#120
volinbham said:
Michigan being idle works against them.

USC, ND and UF all have big games against legit opponents. Winning those games handily will have a big impact.

Michigan did what they could. They won every game but one and the one they lost was to the best team in the country.
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:yes:
 
#121
#121
Call me crazy, but how is scoring a TD meaningless with 2:30 left to play to pull within 3 points?

Yes, they did play catchup most of the game, but all it would take at that point is a recovered onsides kick and you're set for a potential game-winning/tying drive. 2:30 is plenty of time.

That being said, I don't think they deserve a rematch if the teams behind them win out, and I think the BCS rankings will take care of that possibility by virtue of the quality games remaining by the teams below them.
 
#122
#122
HawaiiVol said:
Call me crazy, but how is scoring a TD meaningless with 2:30 left to play to pull within 3 points?

Yes, they did play catchup most of the game, but all it would take at that point is a recovered onsides kick and you're set for a potential game-winning/tying drive. 2:30 is plenty of time.

That being said, I don't think they deserve a rematch if the teams behind them win out, and I think the BCS rankings will take care of that possibility by virtue of the quality games remaining by the teams below them.
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I think he was just trying to point out that Ohio State seemed to be in control for most of the game. The late UM score made it appear that it was more of a struggle for the Buckeyes than perhaps it actually was.
 
#123
#123
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
The main argument I hear over and over in favor of the BCS and against a playoff is that it gives meaning to the regular season, which would be lost in a playoff format. I'm sorry, but if you gime UM another shot it makes yesterday's game meaningless.
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But if you gave Florida, USC, ND, or Arkansas the chance to play Tosu for the National Title, wouldn't it also make a game on each of their schedules meaningless?

The only way to avoid this kind of pitfall would be to send Boise State into the meat grinder...
 
#124
#124
Lexvol said:
The media is making this Michigan team out to be as unbeatable as OSU. Sorry, but that is simply not the case. Those guys are beatable. From what I saw there is plenty to debate regarding who the second best team is. When is the last time anybody sprung two 75 yard runs on Texas, Florida or USC in the same freaking game?
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Purely to be argumentative, but didn't USC have some big plays against Texas in the Rose Bowl???
 
#125
#125
I would also like to vent on the argument that Tosu was in complete control of that game. Tosu went up 11 with 5:38 left in the game. Michigan responded with a TD and a 2 point conversion with 2:16 left. Tosu was not in control of that game until they recovered the onside kick!

Now, even if Tosu was actually 11 points better than Michigan, does that make Michigan's resume less impressive than Arkansas? 50-14 at the hands of USC. Florida? 27-17 at the hands of Auburn. USC? 33-31 loss to Oregon State. Do I even have to illustrate why Michigan is better than ND this season?

Sorry, I just don't believe that any team that loses by 36 points (I could care less what month the loss was in) can ever claim they are the best team in the country. Florida lost what was a close game with Auburn, however, Auburn has gone on to prove they really aren't that great. And, USC was in control of their destiny until they slipped up against Oregon State. Oregon frikkin State! Does anybody in here seriously want the Beaver faithful running around telling the nation that they beat the National Champs???
 
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