Cuonzo releases Landry

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bleedingTNorange said:
Right. I was just saying i get what you mean by saying you hope one of these times a kid calls the coaches bluff, but we all know that's not likely to ever happen.
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It's not likely to happen I agree but it's possible a kid holds the program hostage until the last minute. If they decided juco was their best option they could play chicken until all the way up until after school started and then go juco.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
How about him running a kid off 24 hours before summer school was set to start? This was before he won a single game at Tennessee so that reasoning doesn't exactly work. He told a recruit he would honor his LOI, strung him along into June and 24 hours before the kid was set to beging summer classes at UT gets a call from Pearl saying get lost....why? Because pearl saw an opportunity to take a better player and had to make room for him.
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That can't be entirely accurate bc didn't we have more than Dotson's scholarship available
 
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volbeast33 said:
That can't be entirely accurate bc didn't we have more than Dotson's scholarship available
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No, all the scholarships were taken. Had he released T.Smith like Tyler wanted then he could've let Dotson come in like he promised, but he refused to release T.Smith...so yes, it's entirely accurate, sorry.
 
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you guys blaming Martin for this don't see the bigger problem....Landry played AWFUL this past season. There is nothing else to say. The game is a business, Cuonzo runs this business, and he has to do what is necessary to make this business a successful one...or he will be fired. He did Landry a favor in telling him to look around.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
No, all the scholarships were taken. Had he released T.Smith like Tyler wanted then he could've let Dotson come in like he promised, but he refused to release T.Smith...so yes, it's entirely accurate, sorry.
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Serious question....Tyler had already left before the date dotson was told not to come....why couldn't we just sign someone in Tyler's spot
 
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volbeast33 said:
Serious question....Tyler had already left before the date dotson was told not to come....why couldn't we just sign someone in Tyler's spot
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If you don't release a player from his LOI and he goes to prep school like Tyler did you lose that scholarship for that year.
 
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kwhite40 said:
you guys blaming Martin for this don't see the bigger problem....Landry played AWFUL this past season. There is nothing else to say. The game is a business, Cuonzo runs this business, and he has to do what is necessary to make this business a successful one...or he will be fired. He did Landry a favor in telling him to look around.
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If CCM had let Landry know of his intentions to recruit over him in this class months ago, it would not have been an issue. Months ago when Landry was not performing well, he should have been informed his scholarship to play at UT would not be available. CCM waiting till he had another PG in his pocket and covering his own butt while not concerned with Landry and where he ended up is the problem.
 
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BruinVol said:
BTO

Again I will ask this.

Are martin and pearl both guilty or innocent here??
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I didn't see you ask this before, sorry if you asked and I missed it. I don't know what you mean by that...technically both coaches did nothing illegal or against NCAA rules. Obviously though neither situation was an ideal situation, IMO pearls being the worse of the 2.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I didn't see you ask this before, sorry if you asked and I missed it. I don't know what you mean by that...technically both coaches did nothing illegal or against NCAA rules. Obviously though neither situation was an ideal situation, IMO pearls being the worse of the 2.
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I agree but to me the only the difference in Landry and Dotson was that Dotson was coming to tenn regardless. He had been told he wasn't a fit but was going to do attend school anyway. The timing was a result of that more than anything. With that being said both situations are very equal IMO.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I didn't see you ask this before, sorry if you asked and I missed it. I don't know what you mean by that...technically both coaches did nothing illegal or against NCAA rules. Obviously though neither situation was an ideal situation, IMO pearls being the worse of the 2.
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I'm shocked!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I didn't see you ask this before, sorry if you asked and I missed it. I don't know what you mean by that...technically both coaches did nothing illegal or against NCAA rules. Obviously though neither situation was an ideal situation, IMO pearls being the worse of the 2.
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Pearl's was bad doing that last minute but at least he had the the defense of being the new coach and style difference. Counzo recruited this guy for over 2 years to be HIS PG in his system.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Wow volbeast, c'mon dude.

Here's another...


Give it up man, Pearl pulled a d!ck move and he's A ok in your book. Martin does this with Landry and he's lost all your respect.
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And for you when Coach Martin does it its Ok but for Bruce to do it was tantamount to a felony. We get that you hated Pearl and think Coach Martin walks on water. The truth is coaches do this sort of thing and frankly it is sorry but coaches are all about winning and the morality of things is just a smokescreen. The only difference between the two coaches at this point is that one was a 6 year winner and the other hopes to get there. I really hope he does too.
 
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GiveHimSixGoVols said:
The difference being all those players committed to a different coach not Pearl. West didn't qualify so you can throw him completely out of the arguement.

Martin evaluated and signed Landry then hung the kid out to dry. Really no comparision.
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West qualified in 2009, after he paid his own way and was promised a scholarship, but it conveniently disappeared. So he's very much within the parameters of the "arguement."
 
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Here is my solution. Release Cuonzo, hire Marshall and then prepare for excellence.
The pattern with ccm is disturbing. Releasing a player after you signed his replacement? Not right. Plus it seems counter to the character we thought we were getting. People are name game pieces.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
If CCM had let Landry know of his intentions to recruit over him in this class months ago, it would not have been an issue. Months ago when Landry was not performing well, he should have been informed his scholarship to play at UT would not be available. CCM waiting till he had another PG in his pocket and covering his own butt while not concerned with Landry and where he ended up is the problem.
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Had Landry played better we wouldn't even be having this discussion. I agree it sucks for him but an in-state talent popped up relatively unknown and Martin went out and improved our team. Wish it didn't go down like that but I can't say I'm upset at Cuonzo for doing it.
 
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Roustabout said:
Here is my solution. Release Cuonzo, hire Marshall and then prepare for excellence.
The pattern with ccm is disturbing. Releasing a player after you signed his replacement? Not right. Plus it seems counter to the character we thought we were getting. People are name game pieces.
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Unfortunately, collegiate sports are not about the athletes. It is HUGE business. A a cutthroat business at that. CCM's livelihood is on the line, he has to make tough decisions. Doesn't make it right, but if you are looking for someone to blame, blame the NCAA for creating such a monster of a system.
 
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Cuonzo covered his own butt just in case Stokes or McRae decided to leave for the draft. Hell, he may have even expected one of those two to declare and that is why he over recruited. A good portion of the same people bashing CCM here would just as likely be bashing him had Stokes declared and we had a scholarship open with nobody to give it to. CCM made a smart business-like decision to recruit an extra player in case we had a defection and in the end we ended up with what many of us believe to be the better guard in Thompson.


Now just for the record I don't love having a guy sign an LOI and then end up recruiting over him and releasing his scholarship, it really makes you feel bad for Landry, but this move was the best move for UT basketball and that is why CCM made it.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Unfortunately, collegiate sports are not about the athletes. It is HUGE business. A a cutthroat business at that. CCM's livelihood is on the line, he has to make tough decisions. Doesn't make it right, but if you are looking for someone to blame, blame the NCAA for creating such a monster of a system.
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I agree with this, although a coach still should not use such tactics in my opinion. But people have put CCM on the hot seat. When that happens, you make really tough and/or desperate decisions.

And again, I want to hear what Travon says himself.
 
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zjcvols said:
I agree with this, although a coach still should not use such tactics in my opinion. But people have put CCM on the hot seat. When that happens, you make really tough and/or desperate decisions.

And again, I want to hear what Travon says himself.
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I don't hear any UK fans blasting Calipari for doing things just like this.

Convincing Harrow to transfer to free up a scholarship. (spoiler alert: Harrow would be better off just riding the bench at UK than playing a year of JUCO, so that isn't in Harrow's best interest)

Convincing a CLEARLY not NBA ready Archie Goodwin to declare in order to free up a scholarship.

Convincing Polson to give up his scholarship rather than forcing him to transfer to free up another. Polson was gonna lose that scholarship one way or another.
 
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zjcvols said:
I agree with this, although a coach still should not use such tactics in my opinion. But people have put CCM on the hot seat. When that happens, you make really tough and/or desperate decisions.

And again, I want to hear what Travon says himself.
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I agree. I hate it for the kid. I at least hope he seen the writing on the wall... but at the end of the day the regression is there and its real. No one on earth thought he would drop off that bad. It's still bad for business no doubt.. but with limited scholarships it was the right move (albeit CCM should've acted much much sooner). Even if there was a spot available he shouldn't have been a part of this class. CCM is at fault here more for that than the actual release. No excuse for stringing hhim along this far into the process. I am sure CCM feels horrible about it.
 
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omghulkhands said:
I don't hear any UK fans blasting Calipari for doing things just like this.

Convincing Harrow to transfer to free up a scholarship. (spoiler alert: Harrow would be better off just riding the bench at UK than playing a year of JUCO, so that isn't in Harrow's best interest)

Convincing a CLEARLY not NBA ready Archie Goodwin to declare in order to free up a scholarship.

Convincing Polson to give up his scholarship rather than forcing him to transfer to free up another. Polson was gonna lose that scholarship one way or another.
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doesnt make it right just because they dont complain.

maybe UT has more ethical fans.
 
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