D.J. Swearinger

#77
#77
Midfielder10 said:
Yeah, you just single handedly said that ratings don't matter.
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I didn't really say that, but I can see why you would think that. So let me say, again, that recruiting services are not always right and can be wrong. You like to argue don't you?
 
#78
#78
I'm tired of seeing you put down these 3* Juniors who haven't even gotten to play their senior seasons. That's all.
 
#79
#79
govols182 said:
Like I said there are exceptions, but not every 2 and 3 star prospect is going to be a major contributor. If you guys want a class full of 2 and 3 star prospects well then :crazy:. It's mostly hit and miss with the 2 and 3 star prospects. Some will be good and some won't do anything. I'd rather not take that chance.
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It's hit or miss with every prospect. I understand your point about typically being better off with a class full of 4 or 5 star prospects. I think there needs to be a better definition of what makes a player a 3, 4 or 5 stars. There also needs to be a clear definition of what caused a player to be rated low or high. Too many kids get high or low rankings with little to no explanation about why.
 
#80
#80
BYUVol said:
Saw someone bring up the issue of grades...

He has a 3.1 GPA but only an 800 on the SAT as a sophomore. I took the SAT in 2000, and heard it changed since then (with scores being higher than they used to be).

Anyone know the current NCAA minimum for eligibility, 800 just got be a bit scared (yes, I realize he was only a sophomore).
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Everybody here in Gainesville makes a big deal of how Tebow only scored an 800 on the SAT. Don't you get 600 points for writing your name?
 
#82
#82
Midfielder10 said:
Yeah O'Neal is already gone and Donald is behind a walk on in the depth chart. Ben Martin was a ghost last year.

Meanwhile Dennis Rogan changed to a new position and had a successful year, and Nick Reveiz is outplaying scholarship players left and right.
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Ben Martin got hurt last year.
 
#83
#83
govols182 said:
Valid first point. To answer the others, would you rather have Eric Berry starting in your secondary or Antonio Gaines?
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Would you have been happy if you recruited Ryan Perriloux to your team. The knife cuts both ways.
 
#84
#84
There's a difference between the number 3 prospect and the number 16. Also, everyone knew he was trouble before he signed anywhere. He said he was gonna win 4 heismans and a lot of other things to go along with that. Eric Berry didn't come in saying he was gonna win awards and all that kind of stuff. He's been a very humble kid so far.
 
#85
#85
In 2003, the difference between the #1 prostyle QB and the #25 prostyle QB is the difference between Kyle Wright and Matt Ryan.
 
#86
#86
Don't get me wrong, i'm loving all the early 3*s we are getting. I would just like to see one or two extremely high profile recruits commit. I'm not satisfied with the thought of "this guy COULD turn out to be amazing." i want a few players who i can be sure will be amazing.
 
#87
#87
Indianavol4eva said:
Don't get me wrong, i'm loving all the early 3*s we are getting. I would just like to see one or two extremely high profile recruits commit. I'm not satisfied with the thought of "this guy COULD turn out to be amazing." i want a few players who i can be sure will be amazing.
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You're not going to find but maybe 1 or 2 guys like that.
 
#88
#88
Indianavol4eva said:
Don't get me wrong, i'm loving all the early 3*s we are getting. I would just like to see one or two extremely high profile recruits commit. I'm not satisfied with the thought of "this guy COULD turn out to be amazing." i want a few players who i can be sure will be amazing.
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Do you really think having 4* or 5* means you can be sure a recruit will be amazing?

I am about as confident that Tauren Poole will be amazing as I am that Lennon Creer or Jarvis Giles will be amazing. Poole was a 3* that UT found and stayed with in spite of an injury that caused others to back away. The other two were 4*. UT's all time rushing record is about to be broken by a former 3*. UT will probably put 2 OL's in the draft next year. Both former 3* that UT's staff obviously thought would be "amazing".

I understand the comfort of having a third party say that a recruit will be "amazing"... but one only needs to look as far as the Slick Shelley/Josh Briscoe comparison to know that they miss it by miles sometimes.
 
#89
#89
Briscoe was rated about right where he should have been. He isnt a top WR by any means and only this year did he start to be dependable. Shelley on the other hand had good film, size and thats what got him his ratings.

You can debunk the ratings all you want but there are articles out there that prove they are pretty dang accurate. Sure there are going to be 5 star busts and unrated who blow up, just cant get them all right but they are about as good as you can possibly get, well Rivals is anyway.
 
#90
#90
head1, I don't think they miss often on 4/5* recruits. 70-80% of the time they have the football skills and measurables to warrant the rating. Many fail because of academics or character.

OTOH, I think it is by design that Rivals underrates many 3* recruits who end up as good or better than higher rated guys. The thought is probably to limit 4/5* to a certain % so you can't be tempted to overrate alot of players. (Didn't those % restrictions just get applied within the last few classes? If so then earlier ones might have been inflated)

fwiw, If you look at Briscoe's Rivals profile as a recruit, he had great size but a little thin. He was listed at 4.4 but was very, very productive in HS. Shelley was about the same size, slower, and didn't produce as much in HS.
 
#91
#91
head1 said:
Briscoe was rated about right where he should have been. He isnt a top WR by any means and only this year did he start to be dependable. Shelley on the other hand had good film, size and thats what got him his ratings.

You can debunk the ratings all you want but there are articles out there that prove they are pretty dang accurate. Sure there are going to be 5 star busts and unrated who blow up, just cant get them all right but they are about as good as you can possibly get, well Rivals is anyway.
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agree 100%
 
#92
#92
From today from an Auburn site:

“In my top three it is Tennessee and Auburn, and I would say Georgia, too.”
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#93
#93
sounds like UGA was an afterthought. I'll be honest, since Carnell Williams and JoMarcus Savage I hate to go head to head with Auburn.
 
#94
#94
Not to sound too negative about this guy, but I saw a video of him on Rivals doing 1 on 1 coverage drills. He got beat nearly every time...seemed to struggle a big in keeping up and anticipating. Check it out, see if I am just overreacting.



D.J. Swearinger - Football Recruiting



The video is the link entitled: Chapel Hill Nike WR vs DB. Kinda a long video but his stuff is in the beginning/middle.
 
#95
#95
Just to take a different angle on getting top notch recruits in here but we will ALWAYS have a tough time keeping up with some schools based on geography. With about half of the Rivals 100 verbaled home schools are winning at right at a 2-1 clip.

The simple fact is that our in-state talent pool puts us at a disadvantage with the USC's, GA's, FL's, tOSU's etc. every single year. Those schools basically start with several 4* literally in their pocket and go from there. It's a bitch but there it is.
 
#96
#96
yeah ND is reeling in the Indiana talent..:ermm:....Im so tired of hearing that excuse.
 
#98
#98
volsack7 said:
Not to sound too negative about this guy, but I saw a video of him on Rivals doing 1 on 1 coverage drills. He got beat nearly every time...seemed to struggle a big in keeping up and anticipating. Check it out, see if I am just overreacting.



D.J. Swearinger - Football Recruiting



The video is the link entitled: Chapel Hill Nike WR vs DB. Kinda a long video but his stuff is in the beginning/middle.
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This kid is a Safety, he won't be going 1 on 1 every play
 
#99
#99
volsack7 said:
Not to sound too negative about this guy, but I saw a video of him on Rivals doing 1 on 1 coverage drills. He got beat nearly every time...seemed to struggle a big in keeping up and anticipating. Check it out, see if I am just overreacting.



D.J. Swearinger - Football Recruiting



The video is the link entitled: Chapel Hill Nike WR vs DB. Kinda a long video but his stuff is in the beginning/middle.
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Eh? Are we watching the same video? He was on the WR every single time and never got out of position. He may have let the WR get by him but they never seperated from him and he contended for every catch. Pretty damn tight/good coverage if you ask me, especially by a safety. Alot of those guys got absolutely embarassed and Logan Heastie showed me in that video why he dropped so far and I am glad we missed on him.

On top of that from that video he looked the best of all the DBs imo.
 
#100
#100
rexvol said:
yeah ND is reeling in the Indiana talent..:ermm:....Im so tired of hearing that excuse.
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Are you attempting to use the most storied name in college football to make your point? While you're at it are you going to argue that TN does not start every recruiting season with a precipitous in-state talent disadvantage to most other big time programs?

Per Rivals:
AL has 3 4*, 2 instate/1 FL
FL has 5 4*, 4 instate/1 GA
GA has 8 4*, 6 instate/1 FL/1 TN
LSU has 6 4* and 1 5*, 3 LA/3 TX/1 GA (quite a TX thing LSU has going)
USC has 13 4* or better, all but 1 instate (SC)


Now, they don't have the state rankings out yet but I can tell you this, last year Rivals only had 5 players in the whole state ranked 4* or better. Here are other states:
AL-16
FL-48
GA-22
LA-11 (down year for them)
OH-17
CA-40
TX-45

If you don't think those numbers matter...:dunno:
 
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