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#78
No one on here is going to convince me that the Sherriff's Department did not over-react. This could have been handled in a much more professional manner, especially the resisting arrest charge. If their intent was so pure we would not be seeing this charge unless something physical took place.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
No one on here is going to convince me that the Sherriff's Department did not over-react. This could have been handled in a much more professional manner, especially the resisting arrest charge. If their intent was so pure we would not be seeing this charge unless something physical took place.
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That's because you obviously don't know the law or how officers are trained to respond to a scene where they are grossly out numbered, and don't know what to expect when they arrive. Everything that I have read and seen on this incident is that the police acted professionally, and within the scope of their authority.
 
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BilboTN said:
Because the police are your friends and they are always right. /sarcasm
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YES....until they clear the scene and you can secure a lawyer and go to court to prove it...otherwise we can sit in jail overnight like a moron and PROVE OUR MANHOOD....happens every day and keeps lawyers in business...hey...and we appreciate it....because I doubt it will change anytime soon...you cant make this stuff up...
 
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tennrich1 said:
YES....until they clear the scene and you can secure a lawyer and go to court to prove it...otherwise we can sit in jail overnight like a moron and PROVE OUR MANHOOD....happens every day and keeps lawyers in business...hey...and we appreciate it....because I doubt it will change anytime soon...you cant make this stuff up...
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I think a lot of folks on here need to grow up a bit, and realize the police have a job to so when they show up the best thing to do is be respectful and cooperate with them. If the police get out of line arguing with them at the scene is useless, and will only make the situation worse.
 
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tnvols72 said:
I guess it is possible for that the coaches showed up. They are responsible for these players.I doubt the coaches were at the party doing a circle twerk. But again.
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Coaches would not come to a site where players are being "arrested" I worked at the Lapp in the mid 90's and I had a coaches home number to call in case there was a problem. Let me just say I know first hand of at least one call I had to make. There was an arrest and the coaches knew while it was happening/without a cell phone.

Coaches showing up at a scene seems risky to me.
 
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#85
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So where is a link to dash cam footage? I looked over the post. If I overlooked it 10 times...apologizes, but Link?
 
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gunner said:
I think a lot of folks on here need to grow up a bit, and realize the police have a job to so when they show up the best thing to do is be respectful and cooperate with them. If the police get out of line arguing with them at the scene is useless, and will only make the situation worse.
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I have a lot of respect for the men and women in law enforcement but if you honestly believe that certain cops don't antagonize people to illicit a certain response then your being naive. Now, that might not of been the case in the instance but it happens more than people think.
 
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The only people making a big deal out of this is people on VN

This will get reduced to community service


Chillaxation is in need
 
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CountVolcula said:
The only people making a big deal out of this is people on VN

This will get reduced to community service


Chillaxation is in need
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That was Tim Priests specialty in the mid 90's. Getting charges reduced to community service that is :wink:

Money!
 
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A_Vol_n_Hog_Country said:
I have a lot of respect for the men and women in law enforcement but if you honestly believe that certain cops don't antagonize people to illicit a certain response then your being naive. Now, that might not of been the case in the instance but it happens more than people think.
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No, I don't believe that, but the police have the law on their side so the best thing to do when they show up is shut up, listen, and follow their instructions. For their own safety they are trained to control the scene, and everyone there. If you argue at all it can be construed as resisting their commands, and possibly criminal behavior. The police will always win at the scene, but the defendant gets his day in court to explain himself.
 
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CountVolcula said:
The only people making a big deal out of this is people on VN

This will get reduced to community service


Chillaxation is in need
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I would be surprised if they get that probably just a fine and court cost. The point of the arrest was to keep the peace.
 
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gunner said:
I think a lot of folks on here need to grow up a bit, and realize the police have a job to so when they show up the best thing to do is be respectful and cooperate with them. If the police get out of line arguing with them at the scene is useless, and will only make the situation worse.
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Yeah gunner I think at the end WE ALL know the wise thing to do....(you and I have stated it quite judiciously I think) but how many times have we seen someone who was basically offended that law enforcement would do what they are sworn to do and "take it into their own hands" to show those corrupt ole cops who's really right and wind up standing in front of a judge looking like some drowning puppy completely embarrassed with family looking on....too many times to count...
 
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gunner said:
No, I don't believe that, but the police have the law on their side so the best thing to do when they show up is shut up, listen, and follow their instructions. For their own safety they are trained to control the scene, and everyone there. If you argue at all it can be construed as resisting their commands, and possibly criminal behavior. The police will always win at the scene, but the defendant gets his day in court to explain himself.
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I do agree that following orders is the best response when dealing with the police. You give them no reason to raise the stakes at the call. However, at most parties many people are to intoxicated to understand this. Officers are also trained to de-escalate situations and when dealing with intoxicated individuals it is difficult to do but if UT coaches are on the scene it could have been possible. Who knows how this will all shake out. I just hope at the end of the day the parties involved will learn a lesson and be more responsible.
 
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A_Vol_n_Hog_Country said:
I do agree that following orders is the best response when dealing with the police. You give them no reason to raise the stakes at the call. However, at most parties many people are to intoxicated to understand this. Officers are also trained to de-escalate situations and when dealing with intoxicated individuals it is difficult to do but if UT coaches are on the scene it could have been possible. Who knows how this will all shake out. I just hope at the end of the day the parties involved will learn a lesson and be more responsible.
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I do too, it will be interesting to see how Butch handles this situation as we move forward.
 
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tennrich1 said:
Yeah gunner I think at the end WE ALL know the wise thing to do....(you and I have stated it quite judiciously I think) but how many times have we seen someone who was basically offended that law enforcement would do what they are sworn to do and "take it into their own hands" to show those corrupt ole cops who's really right and wind up standing in front of a judge looking like some drowning puppy completely embarrassed with family looking on....too many times to count...
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A drunk, stoned cop rear-ended me, left the scene, and his department tried to cover it up. I eventually had his job; he and his LEO bros wound up looking like "drowning puppies." That's a really condescending attitude, btw. You know there are corrupt cops.

You combine the human element with power and a sense of moral superiority and you can get some seriously bad eggs. I really don't know if KCSO made any mistakes in this instance. Hell, they probably did everything to the best of their abilities. By the same token, Andy Griffith is a TV character, not a reality.
 
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coach12 said:
Just so we are clear....
It's not uncommon for officers of "the law" to bluff their detainees in these situation in hopes of more easily getting a confession/info. In much the way parents or teachers claim they already know what happened and they "just want to give you a chance to tell the truth."
It's possible a coach did show up in response to the issue, but it's a grossly irresponsible ratings grab by "news" 6 to craft the headline as if coaches were at the party all along.

Two groups that get too much leeway these days:
-cops
-"news" networks

I'm NOT saying our players are remotely innocent. But just want balance bc the popos' & reporters' noses aren't exactly clean either.

Just my opinion
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Spot on imo
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
Players arrested, coaches partying with players, it's like the good old Kiffin days!
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The last thing any sane coach would do is be at a party with alcohol being served with players. But if the coaches were going to party with players, it wouldn't be at a location that easy for cops to get to.

From what I have read of this situation, it was cops being cops. They came back POed, and chose to exercise their authority over minor crap. I know they got a tough job, and there are many cops I respect. But the quotes I have read from them tells me they were feeling a little too much self worth, and mad as hell that they weren't at the Krispy Kreme.
 
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Bjorn_Yesterday said:
A drunk, stoned cop rear-ended me, left the scene, and his department tried to cover it up. I eventually had his job; he and his LEO bros wound up looking like "drowning puppies." That's a really condescending attitude, btw. You know there are corrupt cops.

You combine the human element with power and a sense of moral superiority and you can get some seriously bad eggs. I really don't know if KCSO made any mistakes in this instance. Hell, they probably did everything to the best of their abilities. By the same token, Andy Griffith is a TV character, not a reality.
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I'm honestly sorry but I couldn't make much of this....and what I could doesn't apply in the least..,..sorry!!!!!
 
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