Dave Clawson, one year later

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I've heard several times that Fulmer tried to hire Kippy Brown has the OC after Cutliffe left for Duke. If so, given Kippy's familiarity with the Vols would things be different? Would we have been better on offense with Kippy vs. Dave Clawson? Would we have finished 5-7 in 2008? If not would Fulmer still be the coach? Think about it.
 
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mtvols said:
I've heard several times that Fulmer tried to hire Kippy Brown has the OC after Cutliffe left for Duke. If so, given Kippy's familiarity with the Vols would things be different? Would we have been better on offense with Kippy vs. Dave Clawson? Would we have finished 5-7 in 2008? If not would Fulmer still be the coach? Think about it.
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Fulmer/Clawson = Oil/Water. Kippy may have been more in sync with Fulmer and produced something adequete. With a mediocre offense in '08, we would have been 8-4 and likely still stuck with Fulmer
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#56
It's easy, Clawson's offense didn't work in the SEC. It worked at Richmond and at BGSU, great, the level of competition is not even close. I agree Fulmer is old school, and much like T. Tuberville at Auburn he went out and hired the "new age" OC, and it terribly backfired on him.

With all of that being said, can we please give the man a break. Did he lose it after the nineties, yes he teams weren't nearly as dominant, but the man gave his heart and soul to UT. We now have CLK and even though he was not my first, second or third choice, he is our coach now and looks to be doing some really good things at UT and I support him 100%. Only time will tell. For all of you Fulmer haters out there, let's let the man be. He loves the University and gave his heart and soul to it, brining us a NC in the process that we had not had in 50 years. Oh, and for all you out there that criticize him for the buyout he accepted, give me a break, all of you would have taken that money as well, as it was part of his contract. If you are mad about the payout you need to direct that towards Mike Hamilton who allowed the buyout to go into the contract in the first place. But to say you wouldn't have taken the money is ridiculous.
 
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thegeneralneyland said:
It's easy, Clawson's offense didn't work in the SEC. It worked at Richmond and at BGSU, great, the level of competition is not even close. I agree Fulmer is old school, and much like T. Tuberville at Auburn he went out and hired the "new age" OC, and it terribly backfired on him.

With all of that being said, can we please give the man a break. Did he lose it after the nineties, yes he teams weren't nearly as dominant, but the man gave his heart and soul to UT. We now have CLK and even though he was not my first, second or third choice, he is our coach now and looks to be doing some really good things at UT and I support him 100%. Only time will tell. For all of you Fulmer haters out there, let's let the man be. He loves the University and gave his heart and soul to it, brining us a NC in the process that we had not had in 50 years. Oh, and for all you out there that criticize him for the buyout he accepted, give me a break, all of you would have taken that money as well, as it was part of his contract. If you are mad about the payout you need to direct that towards Mike Hamilton who allowed the buyout to go into the contract in the first place. But to say you wouldn't have taken the money is ridiculous.
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I've got nothing but love for Fulmer. I appear to be a rare breed of Vol fan who supported Fulmer, even through the 2008 season, agreed it was time for a change, and am riding the Lane Train with no ill will towards to CPF. I would guess that about 15% of Vol fans are in this category.
 
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I am thankful for Dave Clawson, he got the retard Fulmer off the sideline. All you Fulmer lovers bash all you want, but I never liked Fulmer as our HC. At no point and time have I ever acknowledged Fulmer as the reason he won the NC and never will. That NC was because of Al Wilson leading the defense and Cut calling the offense up to the NC game. With FSU playing without some of their starters all Randy Sanders had to do was get a lead and let Wilson and the boys take over.
 
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bam15 said:
Ryan Mallet doesn't play defense
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Well he did play offense and only managed one TD pass and it was on a 75 yrd stike. Take that away and he only throws for 150. As far as the Arkansas Defense, they are the reason the game was as close as it was, causing 4 turnovers on fumbles.

I'm not sure where this thread is going but my point several pages back was about Clawson's offense was not successful in the SEC bc he didn't have the right players in place and he didn't have enough time to get them in before he was canned with Fulmer.
 
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#60
CPF = Fail when it came to CDC. CPF should have just let CDC just run his offense and CPF might have been able to keep his job for a bit longer.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
I've got nothing but love for Fulmer. I appear to be a rare breed of Vol fan who supported Fulmer, even through the 2008 season, agreed it was time for a change, and am riding the Lane Train with no ill will towards to CPF. I would guess that about 15% of Vol fans are in this category.
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+1.. I would put myself in this same category.
 
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thegeneralneyland said:
It's easy, Clawson's offense didn't work in the SEC. It worked at Richmond and at BGSU, great, the level of competition is not even close. I agree Fulmer is old school, and much like T. Tuberville at Auburn he went out and hired the "new age" OC, and it terribly backfired on him.

With all of that being said, can we please give the man a break. Did he lose it after the nineties, yes he teams weren't nearly as dominant, but the man gave his heart and soul to UT. We now have CLK and even though he was not my first, second or third choice, he is our coach now and looks to be doing some really good things at UT and I support him 100%. Only time will tell. For all of you Fulmer haters out there, let's let the man be. He loves the University and gave his heart and soul to it, brining us a NC in the process that we had not had in 50 years. Oh, and for all you out there that criticize him for the buyout he accepted, give me a break, all of you would have taken that money as well, as it was part of his contract. If you are mad about the payout you need to direct that towards Mike Hamilton who allowed the buyout to go into the contract in the first place. But to say you wouldn't have taken the money is ridiculous.
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Who were your top 3 choices?...please don't say Mike Leach.
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PennVol said:
Who were your top 3 choices?...please don't say Mike Leach.
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I am soooo glad we didn't take him.. obviously now with everything that happened with him, but I was absolutely against him when his name was being tossed around...
 
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I'd like to point out that what works at Bowling Green, and Richmond doesn't necessarily work in the SEC. If it were true that Clawson wasn't allowed to run the offense as he saw fit and they did this "halfway" BS, then he should have resigned on those grounds. I wouldn't put up with that if I were Clawson.
 
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Clawson deserves a long look from Texas Tech. They have the pieces he needs. He could build on that seamlessly if he can prove to be a decent recruiter.

You guys saying these 'new age' offenses wont work in the SEC are completely stupid. Not once has a new age system NOT worked when they had the right personnel. Tuberville's problem wasn't Tony Franklin...it was not having a decent QB.
 
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GmanTN said:
I am thankful for Dave Clawson, he got the retard Fulmer off the sideline. All you Fulmer lovers bash all you want, but I never liked Fulmer as our HC. At no point and time have I ever acknowledged Fulmer as the reason he won the NC and never will. That NC was because of Al Wilson leading the defense and Cut calling the offense up to the NC game. With FSU playing without some of their starters all Randy Sanders had to do was get a lead and let Wilson and the boys take over.
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winning a NC it was all so simple, wasn't it.....
 
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Outdors21 said:
You guys saying these 'new age' offenses wont work in the SEC are completely stupid. Not once has a new age system NOT worked when they had the right personnel. Tuberville's problem wasn't Tony Franklin...it was not having a decent QB.
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If you have the right personnel you can make the same play work ten times in a row. Weird how Chris Todd threw for 21 TD's and 6 INT's under Malzan, when he had 5 TD's and 6 INT's under Franklin. Weird how Crompton had a much better year in 2009 with a putrid OL. I have no problem with "new age" offense, I just like pro-style cause you get pro-quality players.

Also, I would like to point out that Auburn had a better offense than MTSU (where Franklin is now) this year in terms of points and yards. Oh yeah, and against superior defense.
 
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Outdors21 said:
Clawson deserves a long look from Texas Tech. They have the pieces he needs. He could build on that seamlessly if he can prove to be a decent recruiter.

You guys saying these 'new age' offenses wont work in the SEC are completely stupid. Not once has a new age system NOT worked when they had the right personnel. Tuberville's problem wasn't Tony Franklin...it was not having a decent QB.
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Agree. Everyone said Urban Meyer wouldn't work in the sec. we all ate crow.

Tuberville's problem was Tony Franklin. Not his system, but Franklin was such an a$$, his entire staff threatened to quit mid-season if he didn't take immediate action. That Auburn team was totally divided, as was the Tennessee Offense. It wasn't the offensive philosophy, it was not having a unified team.
 
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beavbullvol said:
I saw where BGSU's leading receiver finished the season with 155 catches. Unbelievable.
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Not to mention he had like 17 catches for 215 yards and 3 TD's last night in the bowl game. Those stats aren't completely accurate. Give or take a few catches and yards.....but he did have over 200 yards and 3 TD's last night.
 
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nbakerld said:
If you have the right personnel you can make the same play work ten times in a row. Weird how Chris Todd threw for 21 TD's and 6 INT's under Malzan, when he had 5 TD's and 6 INT's under Franklin. Weird how Crompton had a much better better year in 2009 with a putrid OL. I have no problem with "new age" offense, I just like pro-style cause you get pro-quality players.
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That new age is of the devil! They'll have you dressin' in funny clothes n movin' furniture round ur house:crazy:!!
 
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PennVol said:
Agree. Everyone said Urban Meyer wouldn't work in the sec. we all ate crow.

Tuberville's problem was Tony Franklin. Not his system, but Franklin was such an a$$, his entire staff threatened to quit mid-season if he didn't take immediate action. That Auburn team was totally divided, as was the Tennessee Offense. It wasn't the offensive philosophy, it was not having a unified team.
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I don't think the coaching staff was on the same page either.
 
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I think it comes down to the fact that we didn't have the talent to run his offense in the SEC.
 
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