Dave Clawson, one year later

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#76
nicksjuzunk said:
I've got nothing but love for Fulmer. I appear to be a rare breed of Vol fan who supported Fulmer, even through the 2008 season, agreed it was time for a change, and am riding the Lane Train with no ill will towards to CPF. I would guess that about 15% of Vol fans are in this category.
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Same here.
 
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#78
TnVolFan14 said:
Same here.
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The way I explain it to folks is like this:

It's like having a good ole' dog for a long time. You love the dog. The dog is great. You've been through a lot of good times. But slowly, he is beginning to show his age. One day, he has trouble standing up and you have to pull his backside off the ground and his balance is all off... though it hurts you badly, you know what's going on. You know you have to make a call to the vet and get your shovel ready because even though you could prolong it and try to make it work, it's better for both if you just let go.
 
#79
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nicksjuzunk said:
The way I explain it to folks is like this:

It's like having a good ole' dog for a long time. You love the dog. The dog is great. You've been through a lot of good times. But slowly, he is beginning to show his age. One day, he has trouble standing up and you have to pull his backside off the ground and his balance is all off... though it hurts you badly, you know what's going on. You know you have to make a call to the vet and get your shovel ready because even though you could prolong it and try to make it work, it's better for both if you just let go.
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Hamilton didn't call the vet for Fulmer... He took him out back and did it Ol' Yeller style.
 
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I knew Meyer was going to be a star in the SEC with Florida talent. I had the benefit of seeing him build his resume in Utah (I currently live in the Mountain West). I had no doubts about his system. I also had high hopes for Clawson, and expected Tony Franklin to excel. They didn't. Gimmicky offenses don't usually have sustained success against good defense. I do like Malzan, but we'll see if he can keep it up for a few years.
 
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VolFan_N_NC said:
Hamilton didn't call the vet for Fulmer... He took him out back and did it Ol' Yeller style.
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I hated how it happened. I thought it lacked class and was far worse that what Fulmer deserved... however, it is true that he was able to immediately get searching for coaches and get the pick of the litter. This allowed CLK to be recruiting and assembling his staff at a time when Fulmer would have just been wrapping up his final game.

Though it sucked, it probably helped to land us several recruits (BB, JJ, Nuke "I want cash not a burger" Richardson, and maybe others) by doing it as early as he did.
 
#82
#82
DaKiffinator said:
Good post, Clawson is where he should be. At a low end D-1 school, that is where he will fllourish. Definately not with the big boys of the SEC.
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Gus Malzahn took a HS offense and has made it work in the SEC. There is nothing wrong with Clawson and saying his style of Offense doesn't work in the SEC is asinine.

If the West Coast scheme can work in the NFL then it can certainly work in the SEC. We just didn't have the personnel for it and Fulmer handcuffed the Claw.

It's not a coincidence that guys like Randy Sanders and Clawson have done better after getting out from under Fulmer and that Fulmer couldn't get a big name OC to coach under him except for Cutcliffe who had it in his contract that Fulmer wasn't allowed to meddle.
 
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#83
this might be already discussed in another forum, but besides Larry Slade (retired), is Fulmer the only one off the '08 staff that does not have a job?
 
#84
#84
nicksjuzunk said:
I hated how it happened. I thought it lacked class and was far worse that what Fulmer deserved... however, it is true that he was able to immediately get searching for coaches and get the pick of the litter. This allowed CLK to be recruiting and assembling his staff at a time when Fulmer would have just been wrapping up his final game.

Though it sucked, it probably helped to land us several recruits (BB, JJ, Nuke "I want cash not a burger" Richardson, and maybe others) by doing it as early as he did.
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It also gave Kiffin time to get the Hostesses together and on the same page so they could be dominant recruiters for him.
 
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#85
Rogers72 said:
I think that the general consensus here is that Fulmer did not give Clawson a very long leash and overrode alot of his wishes. Needless to say that did not work. However, If i were head coach, i would want to do my own thing too so I can't really blame Phil for that. The problem was that Phil's own thing didn't work. Clawson can now do his own thing at Bowling Green and it seems to be working OK.
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Take a look at Phil's former coordinators---
Clawson-----successful
Chavis------ successful
Cut--------- successful
Sanders----- successful---------

Phil-----hmmmmmm. :ermm:
 
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#86
GmanTN said:
The only reason our players did not buy into the Clawson offense was Fulmer. We had enough athletes to run that O but that O scared Fulmer who was to conservative. Going back to the days when Fulmer was the OC under Majors, Fulmer believed in pounding the rock twice and then throw on 3rd down to get a first down.

When Fulmer had Cutcliffe he turned the O over to him from pressure from Dickey and the fan base to become more pro style and it worked. When Cut was not here Fulmer reverted back to pounding the rock.

When Clawson was hired it was more for show because Fulmer never had any intentions of turning over the O to Clawson. He simply wanted to add a few wrinkles but that is like trying to run 2 different offenses at the same time which leads to confusion.

Blame goes to Fulmer 100%, not the players. The players at BG were not recruited to run the Clawfense but bought in and flourished.
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so that's your expectations..
7 wins and losing a bowl game
 
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JohnWardForever said:
Take a look at Phil's former coordinators---
Clawson-----successful
Chavis------ successful
Cut--------- successful
Sanders----- successful---------

Phil-----hmmmmmm. :ermm:
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That can mean a number of things. It may mean that Fulmer is great at developing assistants. Only one of those guys has a BCS title as a head coach. Only one of those guys has SEC titles as an HC.
 
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nbakerld said:
It may mean that Fulmer is great at developing assistants.
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My god, don't give the Fulmerites any ideas for if/when Clawson becomes a very successful head coach at this level, their heads are already spinning like a top with the offense he managed to put together in just one year at Bowling Green.
 
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tidwell said:
My god, don't give the Fulmerites any ideas for if/when Clawson becomes a very successful head coach at this level, their heads are already spinning like a top with the offense he managed to put together in just one year at Bowling Green.
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Umm, he didn't have a top 50 offense in terms of yards or points. Consider who they play against and really ask yourself did he do a whole lot this year? Bowling Green had 4317 yards and 43 TD's in 2008 (in 12 games). In 2009 they had 5235 yards, and 46 TD's (in 13 games). That's not a lot of improvement*.

* Improvement is Tennessee 2009 having 4747 yards, and 45 TD's as opposed to 2008 when they had 3225 yards, and 22 TD's.
 
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Correction, Bowling Green is in the top 50 in terms of yards as of yesterday's game. si.com has not updated their team rankings yet.
 
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#93
nbakerld said:
Umm, he didn't have a top 50 offense in terms of yards or points. Consider who they play against and really ask yourself did he do a whole lot this year? Bowling Green had 4317 yards and 43 TD's in 2008 (in 12 games). In 2009 they had 5235 yards, and 46 TD's (in 13 games). That's not a lot of improvement*.

* Improvement is Tennessee 2009 having 4747 yards, and 45 TD's as opposed to 2008 when they had 3225 yards, and 22 TD's.
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Who they play against? This argument makes no sense. It seems to imply Clawson is playing against those weaker teams with a loaded team.

And I'm pretty sure the comparison that's being made is Clawson's "offense" at UT and his offense at Bowling Green. What's the difference? Oh, right, he was still playing with SEC athletes against MAC opponents.
 
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nbakerld said:
Umm, he didn't have a top 50 offense in terms of yards or points. Consider who they play against and really ask yourself did he do a whole lot this year? Bowling Green had 4317 yards and 43 TD's in 2008 (in 12 games). In 2009 they had 5235 yards, and 46 TD's (in 13 games). That's not a lot of improvement*.

* Improvement is Tennessee 2009 having 4747 yards, and 45 TD's as opposed to 2008 when they had 3225 yards, and 22 TD's.
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posted this in another thread, didn't sink in there either

Here's Bowling Green's wins and the Def rankings

Troy 100th
Kent St 53rd
Ball St 77th
Buffalo 43rd
Miami (OH) 70th
Akron 64th
Toledo 95th
 
#95
#95
vol_in_il said:
posted this in another thread, didn't sink in there either

Here's Bowling Green's wins and the Def rankings

Troy 100th
Kent St 53rd
Ball St 77th
Buffalo 43rd
Miami (OH) 70th
Akron 64th
Toledo 95th
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Posted this in another thread, didn't get acknowledged there, doubt it will here either.

Awesome. The three remaining Fulmerites want everyone to just "Let it go" and "Move on because he's gone" whenever Phail's name is said in vain, even though he spent an entire decade wrecking the program and then whining like Urban Meyer when he was mercifully canned, yet they don't seem as accommodating for Clawson. Wonder why that is?
 
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#96
tidwell said:
Who they play against? This argument makes no sense. It seems to imply Clawson is playing against those weaker teams with a loaded team.

And I'm pretty sure the comparison that's being made is Clawson's "offense" at UT and his offense at Bowling Green. What's the difference? Oh, right, he was still playing with SEC athletes against MAC opponents.
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I forgot they were going against Nick Saban-coached defenses in the MAC. Aside from the coaches, the talent level does matter too. Speed kills, and when defenses are fast, it doesn't matter that the offense is fast, it limits what you can do.

Forget who they are playing. Just look at the stats. Clawson's offense improved Bowling Green by 42 ypg, and actually scored more offensive TD's/game in 2008. That's the bottom line.
 
#97
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tidwell said:
The three remaining Fulmerites want everyone to just "Let it go" and "Move on because he's gone" whenever Phil's name is said in vain, even though he spent an entire decade wrecking the program and then whining like Urban Meyer when he was mercifully canned, yet they don't seem as accommodating for Clawson. Wonder why that is?
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I love how hating on Clawson makes me a Fulmerite. Fuzzy math, man.
 
#98
#98
tidwell said:
Posted this in another thread, didn't get acknowledged there, doubt it will here either.

Awesome. The three remaining Fulmerites want everyone to just "Let it go" and "Move on because he's gone" whenever Phail's name is said in vain, even though he spent an entire decade wrecking the program and then whining like Urban Meyer when he was mercifully canned, yet they don't seem as accommodating for Clawson. Wonder why that is?
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nbakerld said:
Umm, he didn't have a top 50 offense in terms of yards or points. Consider who they play against and really ask yourself did he do a whole lot this year? Bowling Green had 4317 yards and 43 TD's in 2008 (in 12 games). In 2009 they had 5235 yards, and 46 TD's (in 13 games). That's not a lot of improvement*.

* Improvement is Tennessee 2009 having 4747 yards, and 45 TD's as opposed to 2008 when they had 3225 yards, and 22 TD's.
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notice you didn't respond to baker's factual post either

That Bowling Green's offense improved by 40 yards a game over '08...

that's real impressive

just like the goofy look on his face last night when the Vandals, marched down with under a minute to go and beat him
 
#99
#99
vol_in_il said:
notice you didn't respond to baker's factual post either

That Bowling Green's offense improved by 40 yards a game over '08...

that's real impressive

just like the goofy look on his face last night when the Vandals, marched down with under a minute to go and beat him
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I was under the impression we were comparing Clawson's offenses at UT and Bowling Green. Please forgive me.

Still no response to my last post, huh?
 
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#100
Also, I am glad Fulmer is gone, but he deserves a little more respect than Clawson. Clawson was a failure any way you look at it. Fulmer brought us our only title in 50 years. Glad Fulmer is gone, but why so much love for Clawson who A) screwed us, and B) doesn't deserve love for his result this season.
 
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