Dave Clawson, one year later

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#101
nbakerld said:
Also, I am glad Fulmer is gone, but he deserves a little more respect than Clawson. Clawson was a failure any way you look at it. Fulmer brought us our only title in 50 years. Glad Fulmer is gone, but why so much love for Clawson who A) screwed us, and B) doesn't deserve love for his result this season.
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So because he was successful over 10 years a go, Fulmer gets a pass for wrecking the program?

It's not that I love Clawson, I just get a huge kick out of him and his offense being made out to be Fulmer's 39th scapegoat when Clawson's O has been successful, especially in comparison to his stint at UT, everywhere he's been. I also enjoy the Fulmer fans (they know who they are) wishing all the Fulmer threads would stop, yet they have no qualms whatsoever about invoking Clawson's name wherever they see fit.
 
#102
#102
tidwell said:
I was under the impression we were comparing Clawson's offenses at UT and Bowling Green. Please forgive me.
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Why would we do that? They are completely different situations. MAC vs SEC. Different levels of talent. Different levels of coaching, etc.

It's much more helpful to compare UT before and after Clawson, and then Bowling Green before and after Clawson. It doesn't bode well for Clawson. Clawson's season at UT is an outlier, and his season at Bowling Green is statistically insignificant.
 
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#103
tidwell said:
I was under the impression we were comparing Clawson's offenses at UT and Bowling Green. Please forgive me.

Still no response to my last post, huh?
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you know what
Neither one of us, is changing our opinions

So have a Happy New Year
 
#104
#104
tidwell said:
So because he was successful over 10 years a go, Fulmer gets a pass for wrecking the program?
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Where do you get this crap from? Stay on task. Since you asked the question...I'll take a championship and 2 losing seasons during a 16 year span rather than endure 50 years without a championship.
 
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#105
tidwell said:
So because he was successful over 10 years a go, Fulmer gets a pass for wrecking the program?

It's not that I love Clawson, I just get a huge kick out of him and his offense being made out to be Fulmer's 39th scapegoat when Clawson's O has been successful, especially in comparison to his stint at UT, everywhere he's been.
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QFT, Clawson has been successful at every program he's coached, amazingly when he is hired here the plays he is supposedly calling bear no resemblance to what we saw last night or at Richmond or Fordham/Villanova. It's a pretty clear picture that Phil had a large influence on the plays and a distrust of the system Clawson wanted to install, hence why our team looked 3x better under Cutcliffe, someone Phil had confidence in. You don't ever mix systems, Auburn and Tennessee are proof of that.
 
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#107
VolFan_N_NC said:
Yes he did. But he didn't beat them.... Mainly bc of the lame refs but that's another story.
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I don't know what number post this is of yours in this thread....but I want to stop right here and tell you I'm pretty sure you don't have a clue what you're talking about. No offense....I think you believe in what you're saying....you're just wrong. Happy New Year & Go Vols.
 
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#108
GmanTN said:
I am thankful for Dave Clawson, he got the retard Fulmer off the sideline. All you Fulmer lovers bash all you want, but I never liked Fulmer as our HC. At no point and time have I ever acknowledged Fulmer as the reason he won the NC and never will. That NC was because of Al Wilson leading the defense and Cut calling the offense up to the NC game. With FSU playing without some of their starters all Randy Sanders had to do was get a lead and let Wilson and the boys take over.
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If you actually believe this your are probably a ruh-tard yourself and know nothing about football.
 
#109
#109
thegeneralneyland said:
It's easy, Clawson's offense didn't work in the SEC. It worked at Richmond and at BGSU, great, the level of competition is not even close. I agree Fulmer is old school, and much like T. Tuberville at Auburn he went out and hired the "new age" OC, and it terribly backfired on him.

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It is the same relatively speaking. Sure the defenses are one step slower but so are the offenses.
 
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#110
The stats for Clawson don't matter because he plyed more then half of the bottom feeder defenses in the NCAA. His stats sucked in real defenses from the SEC.
 
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#112
nicksjuzunk said:
The way I explain it to folks is like this:

It's like having a good ole' dog for a long time. You love the dog. The dog is great. You've been through a lot of good times. But slowly, he is beginning to show his age. One day, he has trouble standing up and you have to pull his backside off the ground and his balance is all off... though it hurts you badly, you know what's going on. You know you have to make a call to the vet and get your shovel ready because even though you could prolong it and try to make it work, it's better for both if you just let go.
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How many million per year were you paying that dog?
 
#114
#114
vol_in_il said:
Idaho, was 105th in defense, and he couldn't even beat them
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Yet, he was at least in a bowl game as a head coach. What bowl did the fat piece of garbage you admire so much lead his new team to this season? Oh, that's right. That bulbous oaf can't find anyone to hire his begging posterior.
 
#115
#115
I see from your previuos post, your concerned about the Millions
Phil's still making more than Clawson
 
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#116
#116
hatvol96 said:
Yet, he was at least in a bowl game as a head coach. What bowl did the fat piece of garbage you admire so much lead his new team to this season? Oh, that's right. That bulbous oaf can't find anyone to hire his begging posterior.
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I really don't care if Fulmer ever coaches again
I'm just reminding folks of Clawson's failure's while at UT
 
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#117
vol_in_il said:
I see from your previuos post, your concerned about the Millions
Phil's still making more that Clawson
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Nope. Just trying to understand his "old dog" analogy and how much sooner he would have put him down if it were costing him $.
 
#118
#118
rockytophigh said:
I don't know what number post this is of yours in this thread....but I want to stop right here and tell you I'm pretty sure you don't have a clue what you're talking about. No offense....I think you believe in what you're saying....you're just wrong. Happy New Year & Go Vols.
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Well then please tell me what I don't know? I know exactly wha I'm talking about. First, I've played in offenses exactly like Clawson's. I know how they work. I also witnessed what didn't work when he was at UT. Not saying it was his fault but that he didn't have full control over play calling bc of Fulmer. But since your post added nothing, then please tell me where I am wrong. Happy New Year to you too.
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#120
#120
yeah, clawson has really impressed me with his 7-6 record this year. he needed to go just like everyone else in that regime did.
 
#121
#121
VolFan_N_NC said:
Well then please tell me what I don't know? I know exactly wha I'm talking about. First, I've played in offenses exactly like Clawson's. I know how they work. I also witnessed what didn't work when he was at UT. Not saying it was his fault but that he didn't have full control over play calling bc of Fulmer. But since your post added nothing, then please tell me where I am wrong. Happy New Year to you too.
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I don't really want to go back through the pages but in a nutshell....your comments on how a pass happy offense can't work well in the SEC....how it only worked with Spurrier's players.....basically the same thing some others have disagreed with you on.

The problem with you comparing systems is that you'd have to see the system to compare it. What you saw at UT is not Dave Clawson's system. It has been debated to death on VN. Most agree Fulmers involvment sabatoged any chance of success Dave Clawson might have had. Vol in ar....oops, Vol in il (stay put, will ya? :-0) is convinced it was DCs debacle and will not change his mind. That's ok too.
 
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#122
thegeneralneyland said:
If you actually believe this your are probably a ruh-tard yourself and know nothing about football.
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I go all the way back to the Doug Dickey era following the Vols. Just because he became your coach when you started getting into football don't mean squat to me. If your fallen hero was as good of a coach as some on here make him out to be, why is he not being considered for another job?

After Fulmer stabbed Johnny in the back to get the HC job, at least Majors was working the next year back in Pittsburg, more then you can say about Phil.

No one wants that pound the rock twice throw on 3rd down boring football that Phil is known for. Kinda hard to run the ball when the defense puts 8 in the box but ole Phil thinks you break one and the RB is gone. While you're trying to break one you get deeper and deeper in the hole on the scoreboard.

Good Bye Phil and good riddance!
 
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#123
GmanTN said:
I go all the way back to the Doug Dickey era following the Vols. Just because he became your coach when you started getting into football don't mean squat to me. If your fallen hero was as good of a coach as some on here make him out to be, why is he not being considered for another job?

After Fulmer stabbed Johnny in the back to get the HC job, at least Majors was working the next year back in Pittsburg, more then you can say about Phil.

No one wants that pound the rock twice throw on 3rd down boring football that Phil is known for. Kinda hard to run the ball when the defense puts 8 in the box but ole Phil thinks you break one and the RB is gone. While you're trying to break one you get deeper and deeper in the hole on the scoreboard.

Good Bye Phil and good riddance!
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Big deal, I go back further than the Dickey era. I cheered for Bowden Wyatt teams on the radio. But I am just another Vol.

Johnny drank too much, got conservative with a lead and loved to run the ball like all good coaches. While he was out they played hard for Phil and won. Johnny came back too early and things did not go well so Phil looked even better. As many people wanted a change then as they did this time.

Phil is not a drinker, works to help others and does not deserve the crap some of you spew. If Phil had a year like the one past you would be howling for his head. But you love Kiffin for this record? Many of your are just invested in Kiffin and forgive anything he does because you howled for Phil to go.

I hope Kiffin succeeds, but quit acting like Obamaites and blaming Phil (Bush) for anything that goes wrong or went wrong. There is no reason to go after Phil like some of you do. Dude still bleeds orange and gave me the only National Championship in my lifetime.
 
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#125
Phil bleeds orange? give me a break. Phil bleeds green, always has and always will. Go back and look at the drafts the past 5 yrs and tell me where ole Phil had the Vols poised to go into the NFL. Phil was like a plane that had lost it's engines and was going down in a spiral. When you have Vandy and KY sending more players to the pros then the Vols, guess what there is a serious problem.

As far as the drinking comments go, Majors was a grown man and if he wanted to drink on his own time so be it. Phil is not the golden boy you make him out to be.

As far as CLK goes, yes I support him but I support him because he shows grit and determination and disclipine. The all orange Fulmer was only interested in staying around long enough to get the record from Neyland no matter how many years it was going to take. He also was going to milk UT for every penny he could along the way while being mediocre.
 
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