Dave Hart knows what he's doing?

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orangepeopleeater said:
How do you know Golden could win here?
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How do you know he could not? At Temple they improved every year the 1st 4 years he was there and then won 8(down from 9) his last year. He has been at Miami 2 years and has improved from 1 to the next. Miami is tied for 1st in their division at 5-3. Not bad for a school where the NCAA could drop the hammer any day on them. Could he win here? I think so.
 
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The expertise for hiring great football coaches at Tennessee is just not there. I know the person, who hired Kiffin and Dooley is not there now. I'd like to think that it will be different this time. Unfortunately, the more misinformation that is being put out there, the more doubtful I am becoming about this being a homerun hire.
 
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volsfansince4387 said:
FYI, you gotta have a "rockstar" hire at UT now for one simple reason, we are irrelevant in the SEC now. As a few high school prospects put it, "we aren't really old enough to remember Tennessee being dominant"....A guy like Gruden would sweep up all the in-state talent leaving right now (something we can't afford to let happen any longer)
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No you don't. You need a football coach to come in and win ball games. It's not hard to understand. Recruits will realize UT is back when a coach comes in and starts winning. Dooley had 3 losing seasons and still brought in talent. Getting the best recruits comes down to us winning games. All the "flash" is just a shell. Results on the field will fix our recruiting issues. If the new coach is willing to put in the work recruiting(articles seem to say Dooley would not), Tennessee will be fine.
 
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oregonvol said:
Yeah and people said that Dooley could have possibly taken this team and won 9-10 games this year (were you one of them?) if not for this assistant or this mistake or whatever. There are always excuses, but excuses (and "could have"s) are for losers. Golden is a loser, with a proven record of losing. Wanting to hire a proven winner instead is not the same as a "rockstar hire", it's just simple common sense (which unfortunately seems to be in short supply in Knoxville these days).
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Nope, by all means look back at previous posts. I have been calling for Dooley's head for 2 years. Dooley has never shown he can win. Golden has shown that he could at Temple. I know it's just Temple, but he is also doing it with Temple talent. His teams at Temple improved year to year ALOT. His 2nd year at Miami was better than his 1st and doing so while under alot of BS from the NCAA mess. He may not be the rockstar, but he has performed well at the college level. The same can't be said for all the fans "picks".
 
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Well, Kentucky got a coach before we did! Stoops Lite. Probably not a bad hire for them.....I guess Fulmer is not getting the UK job. I just wish Hart would pull the trigger and hire someone!! The suspense is killing me!!!!! :banghead2:
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
The funny thing is Al Golden could possibly have taken this team and won 9-10 games this year. Who knows? When your looking for a football coach, the rockstar hire is not always the way to go. Winning is more important than hiring who the fans want.
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Buuut , besides one decent season at temple, in which they play absolutely NOBODY!!!! Golden hast done anything for him to get this job... He has a losing record. Do you really want dooley 2.0???
 
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do u think pete carol could be on the list? Any way im hearing 7 to 10 days and its going to be friday these a news presser with hart and the new HC...
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Nope, by all means look back at previous posts. I have been calling for Dooley's head for 2 years. Dooley has never shown he can win. Golden has shown that he could at Temple. I know it's just Temple, but he is also doing it with Temple talent. His teams at Temple improved year to year ALOT. His 2nd year at Miami was better than his 1st and doing so while under alot of BS from the NCAA mess. He may not be the rockstar, but he has performed well at the college level. The same can't be said for all the fans "picks".
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He had two winning seasons at Temple. In five years. Against terrible competition. There are so so many coaches out there with more impressive accomplishments.

His work at Miami has been utterly unimpressive. His high water mark of 7 wins this season was the same level that got Randy Shannon fired. His winning percentage has been lower than any Miami HC going back to the pre-Jimmy Johnson years. Sure there is the looming possibility of NCAA sanctions, but that's a really flimsy excuse. Especially when you consider what Bill O'Brien has done at Penn State, a program that did get hammered, this season. Just the possibility of getting hammered is a silly excuse for mediocrity.
 
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oregonvol said:
He had two winning seasons at Temple. In five years. Against terrible competition. There are so so many coaches out there with more impressive accomplishments.

His work at Miami has been utterly unimpressive. His high water mark of 7 wins this season was the same level that got Randy Shannon fired. His winning percentage has been lower than any Miami HC going back to the pre-Jimmy Johnson years. Sure there is the looming possibility of NCAA sanctions, but that's a really flimsy excuse. Especially when you consider what Bill O'Brien has done at Penn State, a program that did get hammered, this season. Just the possibility of getting hammered is a silly excuse for mediocrity.
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Yes, 2 winning seasons at Temple. His last 2. When your rebuilding, it takes time. The difference between Dooley and Golden is very clear. Golden's teams improved. His Miami team improved from 4th in their division last year to tied for 1st this year. He has coached at 2 messes for programs. I do think their are better options, but that does not mean those options are going to be interested in our mess here at UT. Alot of top coaches, look for jobs they know they can win at early. UT is a question mark right now. It could go either direction.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Yes, 2 winning seasons at Temple. His last 2. When your rebuilding, it takes time. The difference between Dooley and Golden is very clear. Golden's teams improved. His Miami team improved from 4th in their division last year to tied for 1st this year. He has coached at 2 messes for programs. I do think their are better options, but that does not mean those options are going to be interested in our mess here at UT. Alot of top coaches, look for jobs they know they can win at early. UT is a question mark right now. It could go either direction.
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Golden hasn't won anything of note with the messes he has inherited. We can't afford to hire another guy to come in to our mess and spend years here not winning anything of note as well. Sorry, but we simply have to find someone who gives us a better chance.

fade route said:
Please list the coaches you think could make Temple, yes, Temple competitive like Golden did.
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Pretty much anyone winning in the MAC or other low level conferences right now. Doeren, Andersen, MacIntyre, Dykes, Hazell, Hudspeth,etc. etc. That was the type of competition Golden was playing at Temple. I remember when Dooley was hired, it was the same argument. I would say "How could you hire a guy who went 4-8 in the WAC?" and the head-in-the-sand folk would say "Well you just can't win at La Tech". Yeah, right.
 
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rickyyrs said:
When we talk about coaches and i hear names like Al Golden, Gundy, Tuberville, that worries me. If we are going to get back atop the SEC we have to have a guy like Jon Gruden, Stoops (Oklahoma). You need someone to get this fan base excited. Al Golden not going to do it. With the way Alabama,Florida,LSU,Georgia and so on recruits they are not comming back down to us. We have to get to the level those teams are. A guy like Gruden can bring in 4 and 5 star recruits that will get us back on top. And get some of these good instate players back to UT. I have read that Dooley did not do a very good job at that either.
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Have you heard Hart mention any of these names? Including Gruden? No......do not panic until he mentions these names.....I when he does it will be who the next coach is for UT then you will be glad, sad or mad......
 
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rickyyrs said:
I understand but we have to recruit on the level of Alabama,Florida,LSU,Georgia, because those teams are not going after 2 and 3 star recruits like we have been getting. We need to get to another level or we will stay at the bottom of the SEC. Pay Gruden and give him what he needs to win at Tennessee. The stadium will be filled. Gruden t-shirts would fly off the shelf. UT can make alot of money off of him.
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It has nothing to do with filling the seats, WINS will fill the seats. TENNESSEE fans will always be there to support there guys early in the season. Look at the Florida game this year, feeling good about the team and had a packed house, while still being coach by Dooley. You want more 4 star guys possibly the 5 star guys, go after James Franklin! He has 9-10 already committed to VANDY, extremely hard to get into VANDY! Who cares if that's where he is and what people would say? VANDY is just where he had to get his start!
 
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oregonvol said:
Golden hasn't won anything of note with the messes he has inherited. We can't afford to hire another guy to come in to our mess and spend years here not winning anything of note as well. Sorry, but we simply have to find someone who gives us a better chance.



Pretty much anyone winning in the MAC or other low level conferences right now. Doeren, Andersen, MacIntyre, Dykes, Hazell, Hudspeth,etc. etc. That was the type of competition Golden was playing at Temple. I remember when Dooley was hired, it was the same argument. I would say "How could you hire a guy who went 4-8 in the WAC?" and the head-in-the-sand folk would say "Well you just can't win at La Tech". Yeah, right.
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Temple won 3 games total in 3 years before Golden got there. He won 23 games in 4 years. I get he did not win a national title there. The turn around is a massive accomplishment. He took a job I doubt anyone wanted and did a great job. His Miami team shows alot of improvement from last year to this year. I have no doubt he will have them with 9-10 wins next year if he is still in Miami. (Unless the NCAA really drops the hammer on them).
 
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I feel like half this board is either a bunch of 16 year old kids, or likes to act like 16 year old kids... Is there any real reason some of you dont want Al Golden or is it just because you think it's the popular notion to not want Al Golden?

I mean he's obviously not my first choice either... But if you think he's a terrible choice, you're a moron.
 
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Lesson from this thread: 'rockstar' and 'winning' are mutually exclusive.

I'm pretty sure we want to hire the rockstar because we think he'll win games for us.
 
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greenevillevol said:
It has nothing to do with filling the seats, WINS will fill the seats. TENNESSEE fans will always be there to support there guys early in the season. Look at the Florida game this year, feeling good about the team and had a packed house, while still being coach by Dooley. You want more 4 star guys possibly the 5 star guys, go after James Franklin! He has 9-10 already committed to VANDY, extremely hard to get into VANDY! Who cares if that's where he is and what people would say? VANDY is just where he had to get his start!
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Hey i would like for Franklin to be UT coach. He get's alot out of his team. I think he is a good coach. If he can recruit to Vandy. He would better at UT.
 
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HvilleCommando said:
I feel like half this board is either a bunch of 16 year old kids, or likes to act like 16 year old kids... Is there any real reason some of you dont want Al Golden or is it just because you think it's the popular notion to not want Al Golden?

I mean he's obviously not my first choice either... But if you think he's a terrible choice, you're a moron.
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Isn't Al Golden's record like 42-47 or something?
 
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HvilleCommando said:
I feel like half this board is either a bunch of 16 year old kids, or likes to act like 16 year old kids... Is there any real reason some of you dont want Al Golden or is it just because you think it's the popular notion to not want Al Golden?

I mean he's obviously not my first choice either... But if you think he's a terrible choice, you're a moron.
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How many times do we have to explain that he has a losing record, his best accomplishment is beating lousy competition for two winning seasons at Temple in five years. His record at Miami is the worst for a head coach there in three decades, etc...only to be met by "Is there any real reason some of you dont want Al Golden or is it just because you think it's the popular notion to not want Al Golden?" Can you people not read? Is this some special kind of selective stupidity? And yet you have the audacity to refer to others as "morons?" What is wrong with you?
 
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