Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

If I had an employee do any of what you said I'd take away their ability to work from home.
And I've forced people back in for less. One of my managers could never respond in less than 30 minutes..he isn't allowed to work from home anymore and is retiring now. I won't replace him either.
TBF this sounds like a corporate problem, as well. No one WFH should be using a private cell phone for work. If work is paying for it, that phone should be monitored as a desk phone. During working hours, they should be available on phone or Teams (Zoom, whatever) except for reasonable cases -- Lunch, bathroom, emergencies. In that case, that's the entire point of the status monitor on Teams (or Zoom whatever) to show availability.
If a company has good policy properly enforced, I don't see this issue cropping up as much and if it does, it's dealt with through the manager and a conference / correction.
 
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^^This and it gets easier to let people go when there is no face with the employee number.
No, not this. The idea that me sitting in a chair at home vs at the office means someone in India could just do the job is pretty dumb. Take coding, for example. Companies try to outsource it then find they have to hire here to fix up all the code once it gets back. That's duplicative and inefficient.
 
Yeah that’s stupid. There are plenty of lawyer, PE, I-banker jobs that can be done from home but can’t just be outsourced to India
 
From my experience with WFH people, in general it makes everyone else's life more difficult. I've been griped at because I called and asked for someone to do something "but I'm about to walk my dog can't it wait". I've been griped at because I got someone on the phone, then called back about 10 min later with more information but they were "trying to get their kid to fall asleep and the phone ringing keeps waking her up. Why can't you just send an email." But I did I said. 3 hours ago and nobody has responded. (It was a team email so it went to like 12 people). And that's when I can actually get someone to answer a phone. Look them up in the employee directory and it shows their office phone number. But they don't use those at home. They have personal cell phones that nobody has the number for except each other and their manager. Some had their office phone forwarded to the personal phone. Others just laugh and say oh I never get those calls.

Why is this happening? Because they're working from home. And it's not even like these are people that work in my office. They're in a different building, but at least when they were physically at work they were present and available to do what was needed. But since they're now working from home all semblance of responsibility is gone. Not applicable to everyone as there are some people that are just as great and helpful as when they were at an office computer. But there is a definite overall negative from my interactions.
This isn't because they wfh. It sounds like this is a management problem, as opposed to a location problem.

Also, do you guys have a corporately defined Instant Message app? Like MS Teams, Google Meet, Slack, Discord? Every corp I've been with for the past 10-15 years has one that is widely used and when used correctly drastically reduces the use of email, phone calls and meetings. It's the middle ground between "When you see this..." communications like email (especially if you're sending it to 12 people-teams), and the immediacy of a phone call.

IM for fairly immediate needs:

"Hey, I sent an email a few hours ago. Did you see it?"

"Yes. I didn't realize you needed it now. Can we do a video chat and talk?"

"Sure."

I've literally been in corporate training over the past decade at three different orgs--both private and gov't--that basically tell you:

Don't just email if you need it now or soon. Especially if you're emailing an entire team, as human nature is, "I'm busy and someone will respond."
Favor IM over the telephone. It's more productive. If they don't answer, a message in their IM app will be seen well before a Vxmail is listened to. They're far more likely to respond sooner with a message than a vxmail. It's also generational. Millennials and Zs are far more accustomed to texting than calling or being called. Just like in the 19th century, people were using telephones instead of telegraph.

And this was for in-office. It eased the transition to hybrid, which eased the transition to WFH.

If someone is in the office and you ask them to do something just as they are going on break, you probably would have some sort of conversation like:

"Hey, I emailed you an hour ago needed x, y and z. Can you do that? It's pretty important."
"Sure. I was just going to lunch. Will EOD be soon enough?"

That's when you guys discuss.

"Ouch. It's actually seriously behind and an emergency. I apologize for the late notice, but is there any way you can get that to use, and then go to lunch?"
<Insert rest of the conversation here.>

Again, that conversation has happened for me innumerable times in the office. Just like it will happen many more in a WFH environment.

I've managed slackers at home, and at WFH. I've had outstanding people in the office and WFH. Thus, I'm convinced it's a management issue, as opposed to a location issue.

I think the big questions are whether you've been griped at for not evolving with your company's evolving way of interacting? And if not, their managers should start managing. Manage them up, or manage them out.
 
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No, not this. The idea that me sitting in a chair at home vs at the office means someone in India could just do the job is pretty dumb. Take coding, for example. Companies try to outsource it then find they have to hire here to fix up all the code once it gets back. That's duplicative and inefficient.

How many government workers are coding?
 
You don’t want to be remote or heavy hybrid when the names start going up on the board…
Depends on the company and the culture. I've worked from home my whole career (12+ years now), because I've got about 3 or 4 primary contracts with 3 or 4 offices and projects in different countries. My company is very small, we're all remote, we all work on essentially fixed price contracts, but we get together at bars and on project sites as needed. I don't think the (remote) owner is going to cut remote employees first.

Now, for some of the big boys we work with, I am certain they'll start axing people IF they have to, but even in a downturn, the issue will continue that they can't hire enough qualified candidates to staff the contracts they have. It's a weird situation- can they actually afford to fire the remote workers and backfill them? Right now the answer is no.

There's an interesting stalemate and a lot of power split between employee and company right now.
 
TBF this sounds like a corporate problem, as well. No one WFH should be using a private cell phone for work. If work is paying for it, that phone should be monitored as a desk phone. During working hours, they should be available on phone or Teams (Zoom, whatever) except for reasonable cases -- Lunch, bathroom, emergencies. In that case, that's the entire point of the status monitor on Teams (or Zoom whatever) to show availability.
If a company has good policy properly enforced, I don't see this issue cropping up as much and if it does, it's dealt with through the manager and a conference / correction.
We have work phones and use teams. This guy was using a mouse mover to show active but was off f$$king off instead of being available. I don't mind management not sitting in front of the computer but teams is on their phones and they need to respond like they are physically at work. When they don't they lose teleworking. In this case I'm also removing the person from management so they are electing to retire. Addition by attrition.
 
Depends on the company and the culture. I've worked from home my whole career (12+ years now), because I've got about 3 or 4 primary contracts with 3 or 4 offices and projects in different countries. My company is very small, we're all remote, we all work on essentially fixed price contracts, but we get together at bars and on project sites as needed. I don't think the (remote) owner is going to cut remote employees first.

Now, for some of the big boys we work with, I am certain they'll start axing people IF they have to, but even in a downturn, the issue will continue that they can't hire enough qualified candidates to staff the contracts they have. It's a weird situation- can they actually afford to fire the remote workers and backfill them? Right now the answer is no.

There's an interesting stalemate and a lot of power split between employee and company right now.
You make a great point.

Just as in-office, WFH job security probably rests more on the individual's importance and replacability. For instance, I have a highly technical job with a very specific skillset that requires quite a lot of experience for senior positions, in a sector that doesn't have enough people with the skillsets. We have an opening right now for a senior counterpart. I'm sitting in all the interviews, and with every resume I see and interviewee I talk to, I feel more secure in my career than ever.
 
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How many government workers are coding?
My experience is that coding projects are generally put out to contract, and so coders are generally employees of the contractor, under supervision by federal employees. Due to requirements of many of the contracts, the coders have to reside in the US to be on those contracts.
 
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The government employs lawyers who work from home, yes. Can’t just replace them with some random person in China

Most aren’t lawyers.

China? What are you talking about?

But why can’t government employ attorneys based in India? WFH government attorneys have to be physically in the US but don’t need to physically be in government office space?
 
We have work phones and use teams. This guy was using a mouse mover to show active but was off f$$king off instead of being available. I don't mind management not sitting in front of the computer but teams is on their phones and they need to respond like they are physically at work. When they don't they lose teleworking. In this case I'm also removing the person from management so they are electing to retire. Addition by attrition.
Yeah, I mean, just fire that guy. Dude was probably taking 45min craps when in the office.
 
No, not this. The idea that me sitting in a chair at home vs at the office means someone in India could just do the job is pretty dumb. Take coding, for example. Companies try to outsource it then find they have to hire here to fix up all the code once it gets back. That's duplicative and inefficient.

Yet it that's what's happening. Companies get 90% of what they want for pennies on the dollar then fix it the 10%.
 
You make a great point.

Just as in-office, WFH job security probably rests more on the individual's importance and replacability. For instance, I have a highly technical job with a very specific skillset that requires quite a lot of experience for senior positions, in a sector that doesn't have enough people with the skillsets. We have an opening right now for a senior counterpart. I'm sitting in all the interviews, and with every resume I see and interviewee I talk to, I feel more secure in my career than ever.
I'm not even highly technical or special in any way. I'm just reliable. Same with most people in the company, which is why we keep getting work. The big companies can't even find enough people that just show up and exist. The workforce in the US is way worse than people think.
 
You don’t want to be remote or heavy hybrid when the names start going up on the board…

Nope, that's how my wife lost a job back in 2003. They were cutting regional VPs, she and most of the remote ones got the ax and everyone in Dallas was retained. Her boss told her afterwords that "you were just a voice and not a face".
 
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Another effect I've seen from proliferation of WFH jobs is the expanding of the market for employees.

If your potential employees can only get jobs in their home city/area, there will be a certain cap on salaries expected for the position. But if those same employees can take a job anywhere in the country, them the hiring employer is having to comnpete with a LOT more companies for that same resource. So, they will likely have to pay more for the employee they hire, and/or offer better benefits. Which may or may or need to include wfh/hybrid as a perk.

If my current employer decides they don't want me unless I move to be in their office, they are welcome to let me go. I suspect I'll have another job within the month, probably with another salary and benefit increase, and rarely or never set foot in the offices of the new employer.
 
Another effect I've seen from proliferation of WFH jobs is the expanding of the market for employees.

If your potential employees can only get jobs in their home city/area, there will be a certain cap on salaries expected for the position. But if those same employees can take a job anywhere in the country, them the hiring employer is having to comnpete with a LOT more companies for that same resource. So, they will likely have to pay more for the employee they hire, and/or offer better benefits. Which may or may or need to include wfh/hybrid as a perk.

If my current employer decides they don't want me unless I move to be in their office, they are welcome to let me go. I suspect I'll have another job within the month, probably with another salary and benefit increase, and rarely or never set foot in the offices of the new employer.
I used to get paid based on where I lived, not because the owner was greedy or mean, but because that was standard practice in my field.

Now, location-based pay is all but gone.
 
So the only competent coders work in the US?
No, but the idea that all coding could easily be outsourced because coders can work from home is pretty silly.

Again, in practice, outsourcing all of it doesn't work well. You end up with delays and hiring people here to fix the dirty code from abroad. These guys are paid scraps and as a result don't always understand the project or have a firm grasp of what the company here is asking for.
 
Yet it that's what's happening. Companies get 90% of what they want for pennies on the dollar then fix it the 10%.
So you think this should happen? Because someone sits in a chair at home vs at a cubicle?
 
Yes, that's why I said sales tax. 9%+ is a burden on the poor. It's a regressive tax. These poor also pay no income tax in Georgia, but pay about half the sales tax. Tennessee isn't a low tax state for the lower classes.

Your utter overestimation on how easy it is to be poor is insane, man.
Just for sake of argument, what if basic necessities were not taxed and everything else was? Would that make you feel better? I can see giving the 'poor' a break no what it takes to live day to day, but if they want to buy a new 55" TV, nuh uh. They can come up with that tax just like everybody else. Food shelter and heat... that's it.
 
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