Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[hndog609]

I understand the small government perspective, but requiring each piece of a large bill to be separately discussed, passed, etc. as a standalone is by definition making Congress less efficient. Wanting Congress to do less is fine but don't act like it's an efficiency thing

The counter argument is money that can't get itself appropriated unless it's stuffed in the middle of a bunch of other things maybe shouldn't be passed at all. That in and of itself is more efficient. Now add the layer where it's pretty much known such pork has zero chance of passing on it's own merit and we now have a situation where there's no point in trying which would actually be the bigger leap in efficiency.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The counter argument is money that can't get itself appropriated unless it's stuffed in the middle of a bunch of other things maybe shouldn't be passed at all. That in and of itself is more efficient. Now add the layer where it's pretty much known such pork has zero chance of passing on it's own merit and we now have a situation where there's no point in trying which would actually be the bigger leap in efficiency.

Ding ding ding... We have a winner

 

[Orangeburst]

making Congress less efficient..lmao

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

This is going to have the same effect on the grifting congressmen that NIL had on Nick Saban.

 

[VOLLeeann]

I'm Ok with trying to reign in spending, but by billionaires? These are people who make money by preying on others. We're some kind of special stupid to even consider this. Oh wait, we elected a self-proclaimed billionaire as president.

 

[hndog609]

I'm Ok with trying to reign in spending, but by billionaires? These are people who make money by preying on others. We're some kind of special stupid to even consider this. Oh wait, we elected a self-proclaimed billionaire as president.

If they have the intended effect on government spending (which is still to be determined so...we'll see) what possible reason would anyone have to care about their private income?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I'm Ok with trying to reign in spending, but by billionaires? These are people who make money by preying on others. We're some kind of special stupid to even consider this. Oh wait, we elected a self-proclaimed billionaire as president.

Preying? Self proclaimed?

You should look in the mirror and review the definition of 'delusional'.

 

[VOLLeeann]

If they have the intended effect on government spending (which is still to be determined so...we'll see) what possible reason would anyone have to care about their private income?

Bolded.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

If they have the intended effect on government spending (which is still to be determined so...we'll see) what possible reason would anyone have to care about their private income?

Democrats don't want anyone to have more than anyone else.

 

[Go aeiou]

Some things never change.

 

[hndog609]

Bolded.

Ummm, I'm the one that included the caveat you bolded so...

Have you determined yet why anyone should care about how wealthy these guys are if they succeed?

 

[VOLLeeann]

Ummm, I'm the one that included the caveat you bolded so...

Have you determined yet why anyone should care about how wealthy these guys are if they succeed?

I don't expect that they will succeed...whatever that metric might be. The point is moot until success is defined.

 

[hndog609]

I don't expect that they will succeed...whatever that metric might be. The point is moot until success is defined.

Except the real point was your observation about their personal wealth which, to use your word, is moot as any kind of predictor regarding their ability to succeed or fail.

 

[VOLLeeann]

Except the real point was your observation about their personal wealth which, to use your word, is moot as any kind of predictor regarding their ability to succeed or fail.

Let's quit lying about my post, shall you?

"I'm Ok with trying to reign in spending, but by billionaires? These are people who make money by preying on others. We're some kind of special stupid to even consider this. Oh wait, we elected a self-proclaimed billionaire as president."

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Let's quit lying about my post, shall you?

"I'm Ok with trying to reign in spending, but by billionaires? These are people who make money by preying on others. We're some kind of special stupid to even consider this. Oh wait, we elected a self-proclaimed billionaire as president."

I'm still curious as to what "preying" Elon and Vivek have done to others. Care to elaborate?

 

[hog88]

I'm Ok with trying to reign in spending, but by billionaires? These are people who make money by preying on others. We're some kind of special stupid to even consider this. Oh wait, we elected a self-proclaimed billionaire as president.

Politicians are the ones that make their money preying on others. Typically billionaires are providing something people are willing to pay for.

 

[VOLS INC.]

Politicians are the ones that make their money preying on others. Typically billionaires are providing something people are willing to pay for.

To leftist, “Billionaires” are evil. Politicians are a force for good. So long as they have a D next to their name that is.

 

[NashVol11]

To leftist, “Billionaires” are evil. Politicians are a force for good. So long as they have a D next to their name that is.

Leftists do not think this at all lol

 

[hndog609]

Let's quit lying about my post, shall you?

"I'm Ok with trying to reign in spending, but by billionaires? These are people who make money by preying on others. We're some kind of special stupid to even consider this. Oh wait, we elected a self-proclaimed billionaire as president."

LOL, what lying? You apparently have a problem with rich people doing this thing...a thing which pass/fail has jack all to do with whatever personal wealth they came in with.

Actually if I was forced to choose an option (and this is across the board, not just this particular instance) I'd lean toward those coming into government with wealth from some kind of personal achievement rather than those making lots of money after they come into government.

 

[82_VOL_83]

"Less paper good" is the kind of surface-level stuff that appeals to the lowest common denominator without actually helping (aka theater)

So it appeals to you then?

 

[82_VOL_83]

Yes let's spend way more time passing way more bills to accomplish the same objectives. This is efficiency

Then you are good with giving the president Line Item Veto power?

 

[82_VOL_83]

its not more, same amount spread out..why have a bill so big no one can read it, unless or course you want to pack in the pork

Because you have to pass it to see what's in it.

 

[82_VOL_83]

It's either more time spent or less work getting done in the same amount of time, there's no way around that really

Once again, you miss the point. If they have to pass each bill separately, the pork goes nowhere. Yes they do less, but that's a good thing.

 

[82_VOL_83]

That's fine, it is also the opposite of efficiency definitionally

Depends on how you look at efficiency.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I'm still curious as to what "preying" Elon and Vivek have done to others. Care to elaborate?

I know, she bought one of the dumpsters on wheels that Musk sold and is disappointed. Ergo she was preyed upon.