Derek Chauvin trial

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PointGuard said:
You stopped short and didn’t continue and recite your complete belief which you have stated before. Blacks don’t have father figures in their homes. Non nuclear
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Do you not believe that is a large portion of the problem in the AA community? It certainly is in the "trailer park" why would the "hood" be any different?
 
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Sea Ray said:
Closing arguments are Monday. I think the jury will get the case on Monday

Derek Chauvin tells court he will not testify; murder trial recesses until Monday's closing arguments

I think Chauvin should have testified
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I think so too. The only time I can remember a member of the police testifying in their own defense when facing brutality/excessive use of force or murder/manslaughter charges was in the Rodney King case when officers Koon, Wind, Briseno and Powell all took the stand... and they were acquitted. Not even Amber Guyger in Dallas testified, and what did her guilty-as-sin butt have to lose? I think it shows a gutless legal defense counsel.
 
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One big problem is very clearly a lot of people don’t have a factual understanding of the role of police

I’m guessing, and it’s not a coincidence, that the 82 million who voted for Biden think it’s “protect and serve”.

The 75 million who voted for Trump think it’s what Trump said at his speech in front of a large police gathering “as you put him in the back of the patrol car give a little extra push/smack on the head while tucking him into the car.

Rightie Posters here think it’s the latter and if you have overdue warrants (no matter the crime) and you don’t mind the cops when they bark orders atcha like you supposed to mind you Daddy (blacks don’t have Daddy’s in dem there houses) then they get what they got comin and it’s long overdue

The role of police is to protect and serve.

A leader of this Country would reset the definitions so everyone knows what’s what

We’ll see if Biden’s got it in him
 
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PointGuard said:
One big problem is very clearly a lot of people don’t have a factual understanding of the role of police

I’m guessing, and it’s not a coincidence, that the 82 million who voted for Biden think it’s “protect and serve”.

The 75 million who voted for Trump think it’s what Trump said at his speech in front of a large police gathering “as you put him in the back of the patrol car give a little extra push/smack on the head while tucking him into the car.

Rightie Posters here think it’s the latter and if you have overdue warrants (no matter the crime) and you don’t mind the cops when they bark orders atcha like you supposed to mind you Daddy (blacks don’t have Daddy’s in dem there houses) then they get what they got comin and it’s long overdue

The role of police is to protect and serve.

A leader of this Country would reset the definitions so everyone knows what’s what

We’ll see if Biden’s got it in him
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SO is the role of police not to arrest violent criminals who commit felonies?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
75% of blacks, but it's not a race issue, but a culture issue, same thing with deadbeat white trailer park kids
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Is what it is. And people can point fingers away from themselves, set up govt and charities to funnel money, etc and none of it will ever solve the problems.

There is an answer. You can either choose it or not. If you choose not, dont expect different results.

By the way, BLM hates the nuclear family.
 
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KB5252 said:
Do you not believe that is a large portion of the problem in the AA community? It certainly is in the "trailer park" why would the "hood" be any different?
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Broken families is problematic. 50% of marriages result in divorce a problem for all society (aka all shapes sizes colors). “Trailer park” inhabitants are treated better than people from the “Hood” although not as well as upscale whites. Until all of society starts to acknowledge that as a fact instead of making up bulls!t excuses why it ain’t so it will be tough to fix this issue

That is a required start. Next better vetting of candidates before hiring new cops, better training with emphasis on “protect and serve” and fire all existing cops on steroids. Roid rage is never discussed but if investigated I feel it is a contributor to police using excessive force
 
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PointGuard said:
Broken families is problematic. 50% of marriages result in divorce a problem for all society (aka all shapes sizes colors). “Trailer park” inhabitants are treated better than people from the “Hood” although not as well as upscale whites. Until all of society starts to acknowledge that as a fact instead of making up bulls!t excuses why it ain’t so it will be tough to fix this issue

That is a required start. Next better vetting of candidates before hiring new cops, better training with emphasis on “protect and serve” and fire all existing cops on steroids. Roid rage is never discussed but if investigated I feel it is a contributor to police using excessive force
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Trailer park and ghetto hood criminals are treated the exact same by police mainly because they act the same and commit crimes at the same number of frequency. Their cultures of lawlessness, gangs, no father figures, emotional mothers who play victims, generations of welfare recipients, lack of education and work ethic, are all pretty much the same, race doesn't matter at all...its the culture

How do you want "better" vetting of police candidates, there is already background checks, educational requirements, lie detector testing, psych evals, physical testing, drug testing plus 2-6 month academies of full training. The only "poor" candidates is for rural counties with no population who make like $12/hr and big cities like NYC, Memphis, Atlanta etc who pay more but lower their standards to "diversify" the force with less qualified candidates.

As for your silly steroid comments, that is a generalization and the majority of officers by far do not use them
 
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PointGuard said:
That’s your takeaway should have stuck to my earlier guns - you’re a waste of time
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So you said police officers duty is To Protect and Serve, again i ask you a simple question.

Is is their duty to arrest violent criminals who commit felonies? Is that not protecting the community?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
75% of blacks, but it's not a race issue, but a culture issue, same thing with deadbeat white trailer park kids
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People have seen this coming as well. In 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who wasn’t exactly a conservative individual, was working as a social scientist in the Department of Labor. He published a report called the “crisis of the negro family.” He said that there was a crisis because 23% of all black children were born out of wedlock. Of course today it’s not only 75% in the black community, but 35% across all races.
 
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LookinUp said:
Ok, don't know a thing about this. One very important item is ..... was the guy a habitual criminal? I know years ago the guy out in L.A. that finally got took out by the police had an extensive record. That was way past due. The police, out there, should have gotten a medal for that. Instead, the liberal jury rewarded the family for his criminal activity by awarding to them millions of dollars.
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I'm not sure what you're suggesting here, but even career criminals have rights under the United States Constitution.

Officer 1 : "Have you read this suspect his Miranda rights?"

Officer 2 : "Nah, he has two priors. We're just gonna kick the living $hit out of him until we get bored."

^^^^ Equal protection under the law doesn't work this way. ^^^^

EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE: the clause in the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that prohibits any state from denying to any person within its jurisdiction equal protection of the laws. The governing body state must treat an individual in the same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm not sure what you're suggesting here, but even career criminals have rights under the United States Constitution.

Officer 1 : "Have you read this suspect his Miranda rights?"

Officer 2 : "Nah, he has two priors. We're just gonna kick the living $hit out of him until we get bored."

^^^^ Equal protection under the law doesn't work this way. ^^^^

EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE: the clause in the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that prohibits any state from denying to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. The governing body state must treat an individual in the same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances.
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You don't have to read Miranda rights when arresting someone, that is a television myth. Only if you are interrogating them about a crime, Asking what your name is or do you have a warrant doesn't fall under that
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You don't have to read Miranda rights when arresting someone, that is a television myth. Only if you are interrogating them about a crime, Asking what your name is or do you have a warrant doesn't fall under that
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That does not have one damn thing to do with my point at all. I'm talking about the equal protection clause in response to that post I was replying to. Thanks for ignoring the elephant in the room... but commenting on the flea on its a$$.
 
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PointGuard said:
Broken families is problematic. 50% of marriages result in divorce a problem for all society (aka all shapes sizes colors). “Trailer park” inhabitants are treated better than people from the “Hood” although not as well as upscale whites. Until all of society starts to acknowledge that as a fact instead of making up bulls!t excuses why it ain’t so it will be tough to fix this issue

That is a required start. Next better vetting of candidates before hiring new cops, better training with emphasis on “protect and serve” and fire all existing cops on steroids. Roid rage is never discussed but if investigated I feel it is a contributor to police using excessive force
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Treated better how? We can't just make blanket assertions any more than we can blanket denials. We must start from fact and not feeling, otherwise we are in the weeds.

Police need to do better, I can agree there. Defunding without adding resources elsewhere only makes the issues you illustrated worse. The knee jerk reaction will only make this worse. I'm not against shifting police to traffic and emergency calls but there must be a demonstrated thought out plan.

Communities must be involved, they must challenge the bad elements within. You can't ask the police to do something you are unwilling to do yourselves, that's true for any community.

If officers are using steroids I agree they don't belong on the force, I think it may be a problem but the vast majority I think are just overworked, overstressed, burnt out. I think the same apathy that causes the unwillingness to improve the communities " you can't be weak", "only the strong survive", "you can't show weakness" mentalities that overtake challenged communities, the hood, the trailer park the bario etc affect officers as well as citizens. The candle burns from both ends so to speak.
 
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Septic said:
I don't really care what they have to "deal with", they know and if they aren't capable of making snap decisions then should recognize that they're in the wrong profession. Like I said, cell phones and body cams are going to tell on the incomplete, and tax payers are going to pay for it.
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Maybe manufacturers should make tasers look less like guns? Product design can make a huge difference when someone has to use it in an emergency or other split second decision. Accidents happen in hospitals, too, because the product wasn't marked well or designed well - those can have fatal consequences as well. Yet we're more concerned as a culture about form/fashion over function and clarity in bad conditions.


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AM64 said:
Maybe manufacturers should make tasers look less like guns? Product design can make a huge difference when someone has to use it in an emergency or other split second decision. Accidents happen in hospitals, too, because the product wasn't marked well or designed well - those can have fatal consequences as well. Yet we're more concerned as a culture about form/fashion over function and clarity in bad conditions.


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Nah, I'm good with the cops just shooting a punk ass for being a punk ass trying to do what he wants.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
SO is the role of police not to arrest violent criminals who commit felonies?
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Seems like it's protect and defend criminals these days ... everybody else is on their own. Not much different from when the obama gang wanted to try terrorists pulled off battlefields in the civilian justice system as misunderstood missionaries.
 
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