Derek Chauvin trial

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LouderVol said:
So the system gets it right? I dont know why you keep arguing when you arent disagreeing with me.

This is the danger of the dichomoty so many people subscribe to. You cant even recognize when there is no disagreement, instead relying on prebuilt notions instead of dealing with the evident facts.
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What prebuilt notions? I just laid out the facts for you. The facts show Chauvin at least intended to harm Floyd and ended up murdering him.

Have you actually watched the videos or are you getting your talking points from Tucker?
 
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Tyler Durden said:
What prebuilt notions? I just laid out the facts for you. The facts show Chauvin at least intended to harm Floyd and ended up murdering him.

Have you actually watched the videos or are you getting your talking points from Tucker?
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The prebuilt notion that I think Chauvin is/was innocent.

I literally just said I agree with you. Chauvin was guilty of at least 2, and apparently according to MN laws, all 3 of the charges.

WTF are you arguing with me for?

Good gracious pull your head out of your butt.
 
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LouderVol said:
The prebuilt notion that I think Chauvin is/was innocent.

I literally just said I agree with you. Chauvin was guilty of at least 2, and apparently according to MN laws, all 3 of the charges.

WTF are you arguing with me for?

Good gracious pull your head out of your butt.
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I literally would like to see where this happened because you haven't said that until I put you in your place.
 
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Good Lord at the arguing here. This is really pretty simple: it is nothing more than the confluence of two idiots.

George Floyd was a flawed individual with rampant drug problems and a history of brushes with the law on, as far as I know, mostly minor stuff. Nothing I saw, have read or heard indicates he deserved to die that particular day and hour.

Derek Chauvin, was flawed individual who, for whatever reason, acted extremely foolishly and a man died. It is his fault because he inserted himself into a situation with a man who may very well have died of a heart attack or some other reason at the same time or later. Doesn't matter. Knees on the neck are not a known treatment for overdosing and he has a responsibility for public safety. Not an expert on Minnesota law, but it does seem he was charged correctly. The jury, the only 12 people in America who for the moment matter, decided that as well. Could be a judge, on appeal, decides there are issues at law regarding the current dumbass SPOTUS and Congressidiot Waters running their fool mouths or whatever and the conviction overturned, but that will be decided. He probably did not deserve to have his career and life completely ruined by doing something stupid, but he did do it and it's time to pay the piper.

Floyd led a life that put him at a greater probability of intersecting with a Derek Chauvin. It is called Darwinism and probabilities caught up with him. Kind of like always thinking one can beat the train through the intersection all the time. You may go through life and beat the train every time. But the train, although it really has no evil intent, will kill you. It may be running a bit fast, the conductor may be dozing and not paying attention to hit the brakes just enough to not kill. But trying to outrun a train is not a sound strategy for survival. Just as I do not try to outrun trains, I do not run around overdosing on drugs, passing fake bills, waving guns (or knives) at people: I'm avoiding the Derek Chauvin's of the world. And doing so, increases my probability of being able to see more college football seasons.
 
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PointGuard said:
Well every women but especially women of color
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I've got no problem with her or any other woman, or person of color having power. I just prefer they not be despicable human beings.

Edit to save you time:

I tend to find people who publicly show support for people who attempt to murder other human beings despicable. I find it more despicable when people like them could have learned from a past mistake yet choose to throw gas on fires putting more people at risk.

I find her just as despicable as I would some racist POS. My contempt for people like them isn't measured in political affiliation or color.
 
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KB5252 said:
Perhaps it's both. Even if he's guilty if it's determined there were mistakes made in securing an unbiased jury it could be overturned. Chances are better than most in this case for multiple reasons.
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Should be, but more and more courts appear to be turning their backs and passing on stuff they see as inflammatory - literally and figuratively. One of the contributors in the Roy Exum article above pretty much said the MN appellate court was unlikely to be sympathetic. They wouldn't be sympathetic for pretty much the same reason the jury wasn't ... they like breathing and staying unlit. I didn't watch the trial, but Chauvin's lawyer was apparently one step from being totally incompetent, so there's the aspect of flawed legal representation. There's the failure to move the trial elsewhere or bring in a jury from somewhere else as a poor decision by the judge; failure to sequester and hide the names of the jurors another poor move by the judge; both lead directly to a fearful jury and bias. Add Mad Max and it's close to outright jury tampering. Obviously Chauvin's choice of legal representation is on him, and he chose poorly. Even without that blunder, it's hard to see how a flawed legal system and a police dept covering it's own butt wouldn't have done him in. Chauvin probably deserves punishment, but this process was a sham.
 
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LouderVol said:
The prebuilt notion that I think Chauvin is/was innocent.

I literally just said I agree with you. Chauvin was guilty of at least 2, and apparently according to MN laws, all 3 of the charges.

WTF are you arguing with me for?

Good gracious pull your head out of your butt.
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You should know better than to ask the impossible.
 
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Tastylicks said:
yeah.... or maybe Chauvin was just guilty lol
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I am sure the jury was completely unaware of the ramifications of an acquittal. I am sure every one of them had no clue as to what has transpired since the druggies death. I am sure they were unaware of the threats put on social media about what would happen if there wasn’t a guilty verdict.

Yeah it makes much sense to say none of that mattered.
 
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KB5252 said:
Then you care nothing for justice. A juror should be able to give their verdict without fear of harm, justice cannot be served otherwise.
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you have no idea what the jurors thought beyond what they heard from the Prosecutor and the Defense’s inability to create reasonable doubt

In any event an unarmed black person should be able to go and about without getting killed by a rogue cop.

And peaceful black protesters In Lafayette Square should not have their Constitutional rights violated (illegally) by AG Bill Barr ordering Federal militia to tear gas them and shoot them with rubber bullets toclear a path for Dotard to make a photo op March to a church
 
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LouderVol said:
So the system gets it right? I dont know why you keep arguing when you arent disagreeing with me.

This is the danger of the dichomoty so many people subscribe to. You cant even recognize when there is no disagreement, instead relying on prebuilt notions instead of dealing with the evident facts.
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@Tyler Durden read my second sentence.

Lmao at you putting anything besides your sippy cup in its place.

Let me know when your reading comprehension catches up to your mouth.
 
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PointGuard said:
you have no idea what the jurors thought beyond what they heard from the Prosecutor and the Defense’s inability to create reasonable doubt

In any event an unarmed black person should be able to go and about without getting killed by a rogue cop.

And peaceful black protesters In Lafayette Square should not have their Constitutional rights violated (illegally) by AG Bill Barr ordering Federal militia to tear gas them and shoot them with rubber bullets toclear a path for Dotard to make a photo op March to a church
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Millions of unarmed black people go about their lives everyday without being killed by a cop. Stop trying to say that tons are bing killed on a daily basis. The actual stats disagree with you.
 
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