Derrick Henry...New Car.....Bama shenanigans?

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bamawriter said:
UT is on probation for cheating. There is your proof that UT cheats.

And now you can proceed with your inevitable explanation for how it's not as bad was what Alabama does.
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Got it, so sending girls to a high school game and having a cookout is the same as Julio Jones sporting an Escalade wearing a 3 piece suit from his mom's job at Church's Chicken.That's like ranking armed robbery the same disorderly conduct. It's dishonest and incredibly naive.
 
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Vol_Maul said:
And where is the proof that anyone even remotely associated with the school bought it? That doesn't look like a bad neighborhood he is from. Why does everybody assume that every football player comes from such abject poverty that his family can't afford a car? I wouldn't doubt that the payment triples when the guy is draft eligible, but that is another thing... This board only cares because most UT fans on this board think that the only reason Alabama is good is because they cheat. They spent a truckload of cash on a coach. That is why they win. Give up on this pipe dream that Saban is going to **** up something this mundane and blow up his entire career. UT will be back soon. Focus on that.
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The sand is to your left, you may go stick your head back in it now.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Got it, so sending girls to a high school game and having a cookout is the same as Julio Jones sporting an Escalade wearing a 3 piece suit from his mom's job at Church's Chicken.That's like ranking armed robbery the same disorderly conduct. It's dishonest and incredibly naive.
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Like I've been saying all along: if you're going to cheat anyway, cheat better.
 
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Vol_Maul said:
I'm overwhelmed by your avalanche of facts and logic. Pellissippi State debate team?
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What's to debate? You pulled the lame 'how do you know they are being paid if you didn't see it?' nonsense. By your logic, no one cheats, no one commits crimes. Bad things just happen without any explanation in your world. I come from a world where 2+2 = 4. I apply common sense as to where you choose to be an apologist and try and muddy the waters with random comments without any substance.

Guess you thought it was fair that Clinton Dix got a far less punishment than Maurice Couch for practically the same offense too, didn't you?

Your move Roane State.
 
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bamawriter said:
If both the dollar and the car belong to the local mob boss, and you're giving both to a poor student, then your analogy is spot on.
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Not really, because that would suggest the NCAA offers uniform punishments for similar offenses. Like Clinton Dix and Couch. Similar offenses, wayyy different punishments. I wonder why that is?
 
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sanddune50 said:
Not really, because that would suggest the NCAA offers uniform punishments for similar offenses. Like Clinton Dix and Couch. Similar offenses, wayyy different punishments. I wonder why that is?
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Well, Clinton-Dix paid the money back, and Bama self-reported the violation. Couch did not pay the money back, and UT did not self-report the violation.

I think benching Couch for the remainder of the year was BS. But the facts in the two situations are similar, not identical.
 
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sanddune50 said:
What's to debate? You pulled the lame 'how do you know they are being paid if you didn't see it?' nonsense. By your logic, no one cheats, no commits crimes. Bad things just happen without any explanation in your world. I come from a world where 2+2 = 4. I apply common sense as to where you choose to be an apologist and try and muddy the waters with random comments without any substance.

Guess you thought it was fair that Clinton Dix got a far less punishment than Maurice Couch for practically the same offense too, didn't you?

Your move Roane State.
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It's obvious the NCAA does not care about justice at all. Neither does anyone that is affiliated with them.
 
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bamawriter said:
UT is on probation for cheating. There is your proof that UT cheats.

And now you can proceed with your inevitable explanation for how it's not as bad was what Alabama does.
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I never said UT wasn't cheating. AGAIN you said all programs that invest heavily in football are cheating. I asked you to prove it. Yet you still avoid it.

So again I ask, can you provide proof of your statement or not?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I never said UT wasn't cheating. AGAIN you said all programs that invest heavily in football are cheating. I asked you to prove it. Yet you still avoid it.

So again I ask, can you provide proof of your statement or not?
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How is it that Alabama ever loses a recruiting battle?
 
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Just imagine if twitter existed back in the 60's, 70's, and '80's?

Back then, there wasn't instant "news." Players didn't have the ability to put their life on display live.

With today's "see me" society I don't see how this (cheating, extra benefits) won't force the NCAA's hands to make a decision at this crossroads.
 
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bamawriter said:
Well, Clinton-Dix paid the money back, and Bama self-reported the violation. Couch did not pay the money back, and UT did not self-report the violation.

I think benching Couch for the remainder of the year was BS. But the facts in the two situations are similar, not identical.
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Are you sure Clinton-Dix paid the money back or did someone pay it for him when the story was discovered? Are you suggesting Luther Davis gave the other kids money to keep indefinitely but Clinton Dix's was a loan? Come one, be honest. There was some definite favortism shown to Bama in this scenario. They are the golden goose right now. And the NCAA protects their golden gooses.

And I don't recall anyone self reporting. I read countless articles, and not one suggested Alabama self-reported before the yahoo article was released. It went public before either school had a chance to respond. So I think you added that in there to make it more justifiable about the lack of uniformity in the punishments.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Are you sure Clinton-Dix paid the money back or did someone pay it for him when the story was discovered?
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I have no idea if he paid it back or someone did it for him. But it was paid back by the time Bama self-reported, so the breaking of the story didn't affect the timing of the repayment.

Are you suggesting Luther Davis gave the other kids money to keep indefinitely but Clinton Dix's was a loan?
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You are confused. HaHa wasn't involved in the Luther Davis mess. HaHa borrowed a few hundred bucks from a member of the Bama S&C staff. The only current player on any team that was named in the Luther Davis accusations was Mo Couch.

And I don't recall anyone self reporting. I read countless articles, and not one suggested Alabama self-reported before the yahoo article was released. It went public before either school had a chance to respond. So I think you added that in there to make it more justifiable about the lack of uniformity in the punishments.
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Because you are lumping in Clinton-Dix with the wrong incident, you seem have it in your mind that everything that happened with Couch was identical. But the two issues were unrelated.

Where you are right: Bama did not self-report the Luther Davis issue, which involved former Bama player DJ Fluker.

Where you are wrong: Bama did self-report the Clinton-Dix issue, which is unrelated to the former issue.
 
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bamawriter said:
I have no idea if he paid it back or someone did it for him. But it was paid back by the time Bama self-reported, so the breaking of the story didn't affect the timing of the repayment.



You are confused. HaHa wasn't involved in the Luther Davis mess. HaHa borrowed a few hundred bucks from a member of the Bama S&C staff. The only current player on any team that was named in the Luther Davis accusations was Mo Couch.



Because you are lumping in Clinton-Dix with the wrong incident, you seem have it in your mind that everything that happened with Couch was identical. But the two issues were unrelated.

Where you are right: Bama did not self-report the Luther Davis issue, which involved former Bama player DJ Fluker.

Where you are wrong: Bama did self-report the Clinton-Dix issue, which is unrelated to the former issue.
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New details in Ha Ha Clinton-Dix suspension for taking money from coach - NCAA Football - Sporting News

I stand corrected. Just read a pretty good article on what exactly transpired. Truth be told, I don't think anything either kid did was that egregious. I remember borrowing money in college myself. Unless you come from a rich family, college can be financially challenging. I don't necessarily prescribe to the paying college athletes camps, but the NCAA needs to lighten up on cases where the dollar amounts are immaterial.

On a side note, the NCAA should let them work as well. I don't see an issue with a college athlete earning his/her own money. They could implement a system to make sure it's a fair wage for the work being provided to avoid 'local business owners' paying a kid $10K for sweeping floors for a couple hours 2 nights a week.
 
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sanddune50 said:
I stand corrected. Just read a pretty good article on what exactly transpired. Truth be told, I don't think anything either kid did was that egregious. I remember borrowing money in college myself. Unless you come from a rich family, college can be financially challenging. I don't necessarily prescribe to the paying college athletes camps, but the NCAA needs to lighten up on cases where the dollar amounts are immaterial.
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Completely agree. And looking back on those two cases, I can easily see how one could cross them up, as the news on one broke almost concurrently with the news of the other.

On a side note, the NCAA should let them work as well. I don't see an issue with a college athlete earning his/her own money. They could implement a system to make sure it's a fair wage for the work being provided to avoid 'local business owners' paying a kid $10K for sweeping floors for a couple hours 2 nights a week.
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Technically, they can work. And there are limitations similar to what you describe. But, at least for football players, being allowed to work is hardly the same as being able to. Football players have an absolutely insane schedule, even throughout the Summer.
 
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sanddune50 said:
New details in Ha Ha Clinton-Dix suspension for taking money from coach - NCAA Football - Sporting News

I stand corrected. Just read a pretty good article on what exactly transpired. Truth be told, I don't think anything either kid did was that egregious. I remember borrowing money in college myself. Unless you come from a rich family, college can be financially challenging. I don't necessarily prescribe to the paying college athletes camps, but the NCAA needs to lighten up on cases where the dollar amounts are immaterial.

On a side note, the NCAA should let them work as well. I don't see an issue with a college athlete earning his/her own money. They could implement a system to make sure it's a fair wage for the work being provided to avoid 'local business owners' paying a kid $10K for sweeping floors for a couple hours 2 nights a week.
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Technically, I would think legally they shouldn't have anything to do with what the player makes on the side, generally. Nor should they be regulating the conditions of any such employment or payment, generally.

Not sure why any of this is the NCAA's business, which is why the colleges are about to be in a crap storm.

Tell you what, have the colleges and the NCAA come to an agreement that the coaching staff will be provided a scholarship, they will be feed and paid in meatballs, and they will be able to live in a dorm. If the coaches take the scholarship they are not only precluded from working elsewhere but they are barred from getting funds from 3rd parties. The schools also agree they won't pay the coaches. Good luck with that. Further, the colleges agree that, if a coach wants to leave one school and go to another they have to get permission or sit out a year.

Let me know how many days before the temporary injunction is granted ... .my guess probably less than a week.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Technically, I would think legally they shouldn't have anything to do with what the player makes on the side, generally. Nor should they be regulating the conditions of any such employment or payment, generally.

Not sure why any of this is the NCAA's business, which is why the colleges are about to be in a crap storm.

Tell you what, have the colleges and the NCAA come to an agreement that the coaching staff will be provided a scholarship, they will be feed and paid in meatballs, and they will be able to live in a dorm. If the coaches take the scholarship they are not only precluded from working elsewhere but they are barred from getting funds from 3rd parties. The schools also agree they won't pay the coaches. Good luck with that. Further, the colleges agree that, if a coach wants to leave one school and go to another they have to get permission or sit out a year.

Let me know how many days before the temporary injunction is granted ... .my guess probably less than a week.
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WTF ? I hope this is just bad sarcasm and you really are not equating an 18 yr old kid getting a free ride with a head coach. One who was probably once an 18 ye old football player and has worked his way up through years starting as a GA, moved his family all over the country working up from assistant coach in several. small schools then bigger schools...you get the picture before getting to the big money.
 
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