Derrick Henry...New Car.....Bama shenanigans?

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BigOrangeTrain said:
They haven't lost many during the Saban era.

Also why do you keep avoiding my question? Can you prove your statement that "every team that invests heavily in football is cheating"?
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You and I don't have any proof that Alabama is cheating, yet we're both comfortable accepting the likelihood. But beyond that, you like to get back into your rationalization, and thus this conversation becomes pointless.
 
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hog88 said:
20 hours of football practice/game per week, 12-15 hours of class, 10 hours work out. Not much time left in the week.
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That's 45 hours at the max. They could take a Sunday job. Many people work more than that.
 
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Burger said:
That's 45 hours at the max. They could take a Sunday job. Many people work more than that.
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yeah, because every player is enrolled in class from a set 8-2 schedule all the time with no breaks. They don't get to eat. they don't get to sleep. You kinda fail logic sometimes. This is one of those times. But you're an A's fan, so I like you.
 
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volfanbill said:
yeah, because every player is enrolled in class from a set 8-2 schedule all the time with no breaks. They don't get to eat. they don't get to sleep. You kinda fail logic sometimes. This is one of those times. But you're an A's fan, so I like you.
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Football players go whatever hour they want because they get first priority to picking classes. If they have to accommodate certain hours, they can do so easily. Full time student where I'm at is 12 hours a week. That's only 3 hours a day. They probably get Friday, Saturday, and Sunday off of school. They could go to school in the morning from 9-12, practice at noon, and work until 7-8 at night easily. They could work a job with flexible hours as practice time does change.

I mean these players have time to party or do some crime.
 
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VolSteve said:
WTF ? I hope this is just bad sarcasm and you really are not equating an 18 yr old kid getting a free ride with a head coach.
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Sorry but there are no free rides, matter of fact, the coaches definitely have it better I would say that is fact. Age has little to do with it, if anything that would benefit the player.

One who was probably once an 18 ye old football player and has worked his way up through years starting as a GA, moved his family all over the country working up from assistant coach in several. small schools then bigger schools...you get the picture before getting to the big money.
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Everyone has their own path and own battles, coaches can use the free market to value their worth, same thing applies to basically every type of work relationship in the US.... well, other than a specific sub-section of college sports.

Its really isn't your business nor the schools nor the coaches how much a player makes, if the schools don't want to pay them, then they need adjust their program... either way it's not their concern.

I said it a while back, the lawsuits are only now starting, eventually unless the schools get ahead of this, it will be very bad for them.
 
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Burger said:
Football players go whatever hour they want because they get first priority to picking classes. If they have to accommodate certain hours, they can do so easily. Full time student where I'm at is 12 hours a week. That's only 3 hours a day. They probably get Friday, Saturday, and Sunday off of school. They could go to school in the morning from 9-12, practice at noon, and work until 7-8 at night easily. They could work a job with flexible hours as practice time does change.

I mean these players have time to party or do some crime.
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lol, going to a couple of two hour parties a week equals having enough free time to work a job and earn that kind of money. Again, logic isn't your strong suit. I can only hope you're a troll
 
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volfanbill said:
lol, going to a couple of two hour parties a week equals having enough free time to work a job and earn that kind of money. Again, logic isn't your strong suit. I can only hope you're a troll
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How many hours are in a week? I think you missed my point.
 
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Burger said:
Football players go whatever hour they want because they get first priority to picking classes. If they have to accommodate certain hours, they can do so easily. Full time student where I'm at is 12 hours a week. That's only 3 hours a day. They probably get Friday, Saturday, and Sunday off of school. They could go to school in the morning from 9-12, practice at noon, and work until 7-8 at night easily. They could work a job with flexible hours as practice time does change.

I mean these players have time to party or do some crime.
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How many hours per week does the average college kid work outside of school? 20-25?

They are already putting their hours in on the field, weight room, and film.
 
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hog88 said:
How many hours per week does the average college kid work outside of school? 20-25?

They are already putting their hours in on the field, weight room, and film.
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As sad as this is, most Americans in general max out at 29.5 hours a week because of Obamacare.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Everyone has their own path and own battles, coaches can use the free market to value their worth, same thing applies to basically every type of work relationship in the US.... well, other than a specific sub-section of college sports.

Its really isn't your business nor the schools nor the coaches how much a player makes, if the schools don't want to pay them, then they need adjust their program... either way it's not their concern.

I said it a while back, the lawsuits are only now starting, eventually unless the schools get ahead of this, it will be very bad for them.
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You sir seem to have a confusion problem. Football in high school or college is as you mention a sport. It is also a voluntary activity. The kids and their families market themselves, sometimes to the point of ridiculousness to coaches to get scholarship offers. They sign a LOI to play for school XY Z in exchange for consideration in the form of having their tuition, housing, meals, medical care, etc. paid for. No one is holding a gun to their head and making them play. The contractual relationship if I am not mistaken includes language requiring the athlete to comply with the rules of the school and the governing body (NCAA). So your argument they are owed more, deserve more and no one else has any business in whether they get packages of cash or cars, etc. is BS. If you are not willing to play by the rules you signed up for don't sign up. Go to work at WalMart. If you sign up to play college sports you have an obligation to follow the rules as long as you play. Can't do that hit the road and open up a scholly for a kid who wants it.

You are probably right about one thing. Lawyers and/or the government will eventually ruin football. Greed and entitlement philosophy will probably tear it down just as fast.
 
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Steve,

You are setting up a false either/or scenario. No, the players are not forced to play college football. But there are no legitimate alternatives if football is their chosen career. There are no other legitimate football leagues where one could make a living playing the sport, and the NFL prohibits entry for three years following high school. College football is little more than a developmental league that the NFL doesn't have to pay to maintain.

Saying "you can go work at Wal-Mart" is an intellectually vacant proposition, and I think you're smart enough to know that and I'm surprised you went there.
 
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bamawriter said:
Steve,

You are setting up a false either/or scenario. No, the players are not forced to play college football. But there are no legitimate alternatives if football is their chosen career. There are no other legitimate football leagues where one could make a living playing the sport, and the NFL prohibits entry for three years following high school. College football is little more than a developmental league that the NFL doesn't have to pay to maintain.

Saying "you can go work at Wal-Mart" is an intellectually vacant proposition, and I think you're smart enough to know that and I'm surprised you went there.
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You never heard of semipro? Those guys get paid.
 
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VolSteve said:
You sir seem to have a confusion problem. Football in high school or college is as you mention a sport. It is also a voluntary activity. The kids and their families market themselves, sometimes to the point of ridiculousness to coaches to get scholarship offers. They sign a LOI to play for school XY Z in exchange for consideration in the form of having their tuition, housing, meals, medical care, etc. paid for.
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So?

No one is holding a gun to their head and making them play.
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Nobody said anyone holding a gun to someone's head.

The contractual relationship if I am not mistaken includes language requiring the athlete to comply with the rules of the school and the governing body (NCAA).
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The player does not have an obligation to not receive money from 3rd parties, this would be completely unenforceable in most employment contracts, in general. I don't see what the NCAA has to do with anything, you don't even have to have a scholarship to play college sports. Scholarships are with schools.

So your argument they are owed more, deserve more and no one else has any business in whether they get packages of cash or cars, etc. is BS. If you are not willing to play by the rules you signed up for don't sign up. Go to work at WalMart. If you sign up to play college sports you have an obligation to follow the rules as long as you play. Can't do that hit the road and open up a scholly for a kid who wants it.
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Sorry, but what you are talking about is going away for obvious reason. Under your logic, someone can be employed by Walmart can be paid 1 meatball a year. Your understanding of the statute laws of the Federal and State is low that is hard to even have a conversation on the subject.

Under your theory, your employer can pay you one meatball a year for your wages, and they can get with all the other employers and come up with a contract to ban you from the employed.

You are probably right about one thing. Lawyers and/or the government will eventually ruin football.
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I don't believe I ever said any such thing, matter of fact, if the schools goals are to make it what it was... .a school activity, I don't see why they can't do that.

Greed and entitlement philosophy will probably tear it down just as fast.
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Yes, the schools, school administrators, coaches, staff, bowl officials, etc. have acted with greed and entitlement to someone else's life without regard to the damage they are causing.

Try this non-sense on the coaches or school officials and see what happens... temporary injunction in a matter of days... for obvious reasons.

Steve, they couldn't even set this requirement on someone that was actually employed by the university let alone someone that isn't. Got it?

You can setup a contract where I give you permission to kill me, is that a valid legal agreement? NO!!!!!!

In general, it's none of my business what you make. The school and especially the NCAA have no business in the financial affairs of the players, in general, I am sure there could be some exceptions.
 
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bamawriter said:
Steve,

You are setting up a false either/or scenario. No, the players are not forced to play college football. But there are no legitimate alternatives if football is their chosen career. There are no other legitimate football leagues where one could make a living playing the sport, and the NFL prohibits entry for three years following high school. College football is little more than a developmental league that the NFL doesn't have to pay to maintain.

Saying "you can go work at Wal-Mart" is an intellectually vacant proposition, and I think you're smart enough to know that and I'm surprised you went there.
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Oh I don't mind going there again. I said if they want to play football they should comply with the rules which include not taking cars and cash under the table. If they are not, as I clearly said, they have the choice to make other decisions. Your premise seems to be that any kid wanting to play in the NFL has a "right" to play college ball. I disagree. There are a lot of other careers I would have preferred to the one I have spent 32 years in but they either 1. did not pay enough to support my family or 2. I did not have the skills for or 3. I was not willing to spend the time and make the financial sacrifices to qualify for. I don't see athletes as being any different. No one OWES them the opportunity to play ball. They don't have any special RIGHT that mandates they must have a shot at the NFL. Nearly 40 years ago I was being recruited by UT to play BAsketball. Then I blew a knee out and had to go another direction. My parents and I would have been ecstatic to have had a scholarship. Just as they were when my brother got a football scholly. (Though he had a mental problem and turned down both Johnny Majors and Bear Bryant and chose Old Miss). No one screams louder for the Vols than I do, but it is a sport, and a privilege. And if a player actually chooses a legitimate major and applies himself, the payoff come throughout life in the form of pay checks.

Sorry if you don't agree but I'm old school all the way. You only have the right to:
1. What the Constitution says is your right as an American citizen
2. What you EARN
Playing in the NFL is only in the 2nd category.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
So?


Nobody said anyone holding a gun to someone's head.


The player does not have an obligation to not receive money from 3rd parties, this would be completely unenforceable in most employment contracts, in general. I don't see what the NCAA has to do with anything, you don't even have to have a scholarship to play college sports. Scholarships are with schools.



Sorry, but what you are talking about is going away for obvious reason. Under your logic, someone can be employed by Walmart can be paid 1 meatball a year. Your understanding of the statute laws of the Federal and State is low that is hard to even have a conversation on the subject.

Under your theory, your employer can pay you one meatball a year for your wages, and they can get with all the other employers and come up with a contract to ban you from the employed.
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See previous post. And don't use meatballs to argue with Vols. We eat BBQ. You LSU fans can keep the meatballs; I'll take ribs.
 
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