Derrick Henry...New Car.....Bama shenanigans?

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The irony of this is that Alabama was providing the highest standard of living to their athletes at the same time Bear Bryant turned Mississippi State in to the NCAA for buying a player a suit to go home for a funeral back in the 1970's. MSU went on probation while this crap was going on in Tuscaloosa.

College athletics is just another entitlement program that needs to be cleaned up. It is totally corrupt. College athletes put in the work but they do not work any harder than some of the academic students that actually contribute to society. Like government, there are no ethics in college athletics. People criticize the NCAA but the NCAA is just another political organization that tries to protect their own interest while looking the other way when it is convenient. That is the reason that stories like this exist.
 
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bamawriter said:
Volunteer State for Life. Absolutely.

Alabama has nothing going for it except football.

Tennessee has everything going for it except football.
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Come to the light my friend, you're so close.

Just let the orange light drench you and leave all the wickedness behind.
 
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bamawriter said:
True. But would you work the oil rig for no take home pay for three plus years while someone tells you to be grateful for the "education"?
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If I can get the full five years to get a masters degree, hell yes, no question. It's basically what I'm actually going to . My pay will go towards education. I'll take the free food and free housing also like players get. I'll also take no power and gas bill.

Bammer buddy, I'm dirt poor, it'd be irresponsible if I didn't.
 
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Burger said:
If I can get the full five years to get a masters degree, hell yes, no question. It's basically what I'm actually going to . My pay will go towards education. I'll take the free food and free housing also like players get. I'll also take no power and gas bill.

Bammer buddy, I'm dirt poor, it'd be irresponsible if I didn't.
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Hey, good for you. You're a better man than 95% of the population.

I'm not dirt poor, never have been. I've been fortunate my entire life. But if someone wanted to slip me something extra while I beat the crap out of my body so my coach can make millions, and my school can use my name and likeness to make tens if not hundreds of millions, I'm taking it, and i'm not losing a moment of sleep.
 
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bamawriter said:
Hey, good for you. You're a better man than 95% of the population.

I'm not dirt poor, never have been. I've been fortunate my entire life. But if someone wanted to slip me something extra while I beat the crap out of my body so my coach can make millions, and my school can use my name and likeness to make tens if not hundreds of millions, I'm taking it, and i'm not losing a moment of sleep.
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I don't blame them for taking the dough. What makes me cranky is the NCAA doing nothing about it.
 
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bamawriter said:
You went from accepting the possibility of UT cheating but rationalizing it because Bama cheats more, to saying that I need to prove that UT cheats. You didn't like being called of for rationalizing, so you completely changed from a morally relativistic argument to a morally unassailable one.

I'm willing to discuss the former, as you were at least being intellectually honest. I'm not going to lower myself to the latter.
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Ok it's obvious you cannot comprehend simple English. I never said UT doesn't cheat. I never asked you to prove that UT cheats. In post #152 you said "All colleges that invest heavily in major college football or basketball are cheating." That's the statement I asked you to prove. Which you could not.

So it's pretty simple. You made a statement, I asked you to prove it, you couldn't, you deflected by making some stupid asinine post about Facebook. Then you resort to any tactic you can because you were called out for your dumb statement. Get over yourself. You're done. Keep on believing that Nick Sabans relationship with the NCAA doesn't help Alabama get away with cheating. It just shows us UT fans what we already knew about you Bama fans.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Ok it's obvious you cannot comprehend simple English. I never said UT doesn't cheat. I never asked you to prove that UT cheats. In post #152 you said "All colleges that invest heavily in major college football or basketball are cheating." That's the statement I asked you to prove. Which you could not.

So it's pretty simple. You made a statement, I asked you to prove it, you couldn't, you deflected by making some stupid asinine post about Facebook. Then you resort to any tactic you can because you were called out for your dumb statement. Get over yourself. You're done. Keep on believing that Nick Sabans relationship with the NCAA doesn't help Alabama get away with cheating. It just shows us UT fans what we already knew about you Bama fans.
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I should have just gone ahead and written this post for you, since it was incredibly predictable.

I'll go ahead and write your next one:

You don't get it. Prove UT doesn't cheat. Bama cheats more than everyone else. Bama could never possibly beat UT without cheating. You're a bad man.
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bamawriter said:
Why? Because they made a rule against it back in the late 50s?
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Because of the hypocritsy. Either everyone should get paid, or no one should get paid. I wouldnt watch anymore if everyone got paid.. They get a free education. It's worth more than the money all these UDFA make.
 
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Burger said:
Because of the hypocritsy. Either everyone should get paid, or no one should get paid. I wouldnt watch anymore if everyone got paid.. They get a free education. It's worth more than the money all these UDFA make.
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I think you are crediting the schools with giving more education to these players than they actually are. I've spoken with too many college athletes to believe that every one of them belongs in a college classroom.

I get where you're coming from, and I don't disagree with you across the board. But I think you're turning a blind eye to some serious exploitation.
 
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bamawriter said:
Hey, good for you. You're a better man than 95% of the population.

I'm not dirt poor, never have been. I've been fortunate my entire life. But if someone wanted to slip me something extra while I beat the crap out of my body so my coach can make millions, and my school can use my name and likeness to make tens if not hundreds of millions, I'm taking it, and i'm not losing a moment of sleep.
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Sounds like someone who was one of the Occupier Movement Nancy Pelosi spoke so fondly of.
 
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bamawriter said:
Sounds like someone who needs to do a few minutes worth of research before he tries to be clever.
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Just saying you sure seem to have a problem with those that have spent a lifetime working and now make a lot of money. CBJ and your beloved CNS have worked for years to reach the point where they are now paid really well. The players you think should be paid so well are kids being paid pretty darn well (especially in Alabama) for their age and experience. We have a difference of opinion on them being paid and becoming professional athletes while in college so let's agree to disagree. I love college football and don't much care for the NFL because of the difference between amateurs and pro. I don't want college FB to become. NFL lite. And I get irritated anytime people use arguments about how much $$ other people make and use that to justify a point in their argument. It just sounds like jealousy or a certain political philosophy.
 
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VolSteve said:
Just saying you sure seem to have a problem with those that have spent a lifetime working and now make a lot of money. CBJ and your beloved CNS have worked for years to reach the point where they are now paid really well. The players you think should be paid so well are kids being paid pretty darn well (especially in Alabama) for their age and experience. We have a difference of opinion on them being paid and becoming professional athletes while in college so let's agree to disagree. I love college football and don't much care for the NFL because of the difference between amateurs and pro. I don't want college FB to become. NFL lite. And I get irritated anytime people use arguments about how much $$ other people make and use that to justify a point in their argument. It just sounds like jealousy or a certain political philosophy.
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You are reading things into my position that aren't actually there.

I do not support full-fledged payment in college sports. I do support reasonable stipends; I do support the schools having the ability to reasonably assist destitute athletes (like the homeless Boise St commit) without having to seek the NCAA's benevolent approval; I do support an escrow account being set up to compensate the players for the use of their names and likenesses upon their exit from school. There are other reasonable steps that I am in favor of, but the list gets long.

I don't fault coaches making millions of dollars. If they can get it, they deserve it. But it's the height of hypocrisy to say that the coaches can get it so they can have it, while the players absolutely could get it, but they'd better not. And if you're politically conservative, that kind of thinking does not mesh with your philosophy. College sports is a giant business. The highest paid public employee in almost every state is an athletics coach. Yet there are those who buy the lie that it's amateurism. It's not, and it hasn't been for decades now.
 
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My problem with the current state of affairs, is it immoral, unethical, and most importantly illegal at the State and Federal level. Most of the people coming up with these back-end deals have no way of implementing such things, the only thing that will be done is a complete destruction of the current system.

At the end of the day, the colleges should be moving individually as the NCAA will not be able to protect them. It's coming. All you need is players to ask their State Labor Department for a status determination, I would imagine you might get some wide variety of determinations based on the individual state, school, sport, and specific circumstances, I would say most of the big sports the players would be classified as employees, although some might be classified as contractors. Similar to the labor union situation.

As far as some big wide agreement to share revenue or something, I don't see how that is even possible, matter of fact, that would make things worse as then they would be admitting they are employees or contractors. And admitting to things that would probably fall under the RICO statutes.

First, the current way of doing business has to be completely scraped, the schools should be working with their State's labor department to get status determinations, based on those determinations then they can be in position to alter their current programs to met whatever goal they have in mind. Unless they change significantly I would say the big sport players are going to be classified as employees under the labor laws of most States, but that is a generalization.

Do I think players need to be paid?
Not necessarily but big changes would have to be made to the big sport programs to avoid it. Depends on the situation.

Should players be restricted from making money on their own?
I can't think of a reason why player making money from a 3rd party would be anyone's business other than, if they were illegally obtaining money.... say they were a drug dealer and being convicted for it. I doubt even most employment contracts with those kind of requirements would be enforceable let alone a scholarship. :)

Do I think what is going is immoral and unethical?
Damn straight.

Is it the end of college football?
Absolutely not, most college sports are not even regulated like the major sports, I would have to guess that most college athlete have very little restrictions.

Is Henry wrong for taking cars or money?
Absolutely not, he has a right to make a buck just like anyone else, not much of anyone's business that I can see. Good for him.

One thing I suspect, it's going to be a disaster, if the colleges do not get ahead of this very soon, it's coming whether they want to acknowledge it or not.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
My problem with the current state of affairs, is it immoral, unethical, and most importantly illegal at the State and Federal level. Most of the people coming up with these back-end deals have no way of implementing such things, the only thing that will be done is a complete destruction of the current system.

At the end of the day, the colleges should be moving individually as the NCAA will not be able to protect them. It's coming. All you need is players to ask their State Labor Department for a status determination, I would imagine you might get some wide variety of determinations based on the individual state, school, sport, and specific circumstances, I would say most of the big sports the players would be classified as employees, although some might be classified as contractors. Similar to the labor union situation.

As far as some big wide agreement to share revenue or something, I don't see how that is even possible, matter of fact, that would make things worse as then they would be admitting they are employees or contractors. And admitting to things that would probably fall under the RICO statutes.

First, the current way of doing business has to be completely scraped, the schools should be working with their State's labor department to get status determinations, based on those determinations then they can be in position to alter their current programs to met whatever goal they have in mind. Unless they change significantly I would say the big sport players are going to be classified as employees under the labor laws of most States, but that is a generalization.

Do I think players need to be paid?
Not necessarily but big changes would have to be made to the big sport programs to avoid it. Depends on the situation.

Should players be restricted from making money on their own?
I can't think of a reason why player making money from a 3rd party would be anyone's business other than, if they were illegally obtaining money.... say they were a drug dealer and being convicted for it. I doubt even most employment contracts with those kind of requirements would be enforceable let alone a scholarship. :)

Do I think what is going is immoral and unethical?
Damn straight.

Is it the end of college football?
Absolutely not, most college sports are not even regulated like the major sports, I would have to guess that most college athlete have very little restrictions.

Is Henry wrong for taking cars or money?
Absolutely not, he has a right to make a buck just like anyone else, not much of anyone's business that I can see. Good for him.

One thing I suspect, it's going to be a disaster, if the colleges do not get ahead of this very soon, it's coming whether they want to acknowledge it or not.
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Regardless if you agree with this post or not, it is a very good post.
 
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