Derrick Henry...New Car.....Bama shenanigans?

[BigOrangeTrain]

Should read for correctness.

"Colleges/NCAA are blatantly cheating and NO other entity would get away with what they are doing."


I am going to hire some students and pay them in meatballs.

Derrick Henry is awesome, I have no idea why freaking Reggie Bush gave his Heisman back. I don't see Les or Lil Nicky worrying about what people think about them making a buck or all those professors with their pay checks.

Your statement infers that all colleges are cheating and that is so stupid its beyond belief. You cannot possibly know that ALL colleges are cheating. So please stop with your BS.

I am glad you support cheating. You should feel proud of yourself and celebrate with a couple of corn dogs.

 

[bamawriter]

Your statement infers that all colleges are cheating and that is so stupid its beyond belief. You cannot possibly know that ALL colleges are cheating. So please stop with your BS.

I am glad you support cheating. You should feel proud of yourself and celebrate with a couple of corn dogs.

All colleges that invest heavily in major college football or basketball are cheating. I know this, because I am capable of at least the bare minimum of common sense. If you don't believe that, you are one gloriously naive man. And if you don't believe that, whatever you think you "get" that you think I'm missing... it's fiction, my friend.

And this sense of moral superiority you're exuding is disturbingly backward. I want poor teenagers to get what they can while "non-profits" make millions upon millions off of them beating the crap out of their bodies and brains, and you're going to come off like my morals are messed up? Look in the mirror, friend.

 

[PKT_VOL]

If you can accept that everyone is cheating, even to the smallest extent, and the NCAA isn't going to do anything to anyone (not just Bama, see Auburn, Miami, UNC) then what difference does it make? The "cheating" isn't generally illegal or even unethical (Miami being an exception).

So the "Bama is worse" talk is simply rationalizing away the results on the field. If you are willing to accept that UT cheats even a little, and if you have the intellectual honesty to accept that the NCAA's talk of "amateurism" is BS, then you really should be asking why UT doesn't step up their game. And given Jones' recent success in recruiting, perhaps they are.

There is more truth here than UT fans will ever admit to.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

All colleges that invest heavily in major college football or basketball are cheating. I know this, because I am capable of at least the bare minimum of common sense. If you don't believe that, you are one gloriously naive man. And if you don't believe that, whatever you think you "get" that you think I'm missing... it's fiction, my friend.

And this sense of moral superiority you're exuding is disturbingly backward. I want poor teenagers to get what they can while "non-profits" make millions upon millions off of them beating the crap out of their bodies and brains, and you're going to come off like my morals are messed up? Look in the mirror, friend.

No it's not common sense, it's your opinion and it's impossible to prove. Therefore it's beyond stupid. While I do believe many teams cheat, there is no way to brand EVERY team that invests heavily into FB and BB as cheaters. Since you are so certain, let's put it to the test. The burden of proof is on you to prove this statement: "All colleges that invest heavily in major college football and basketball are cheating." It's got nothing to do with common sense. If what you say is true then there should be no problem providing proof. If you cannot provide that proof then your argument fails badly.

Sorry but I have zero sympathy for these scholarship athletes. They get a free education that in many cases run upwards of 50k+. Consider Alabama. Let's say an athlete stays 3 years and gets a full athletic scholarship. Now if your a resident of the state, the per semester bill would be about 12k, which equals about 24k a year. So for 3 years that's 72k. Now add on unlimited free food, stipends, pell grants, state grants, student loans and cheating money I would say they are doing just fine. For an out of state athlete it's even more. 20k per semester, 120k for a 3 year athlete. Sorry but the athlete on scholarship is no better than the poor student who has to work a couple of jobs along with a full load of classes. I had to work a full time job in college, while taking at least 15 credit hours. While I saw football players barely go to class, have people take their tests for them and be handed grades just because they played a game. You can take your sanctimonious attitude and shove it pal.

 

[Biopsyman]

Rims

 

[bamawriter]

No it's not common sense, it's your opinion and it's impossible to prove. Therefore it's beyond stupid. While I do believe many teams cheat, there is no way to brand EVERY team that invests heavily into FB and BB as cheaters. Since you are so certain, let's put it to the test. The burden of proof is on you to prove this statement: "All colleges that invest heavily in major college football and basketball are cheating." It's got nothing to do with common sense. If what you say is true then there should be no problem providing proof. If you cannot provide that proof then your argument fails badly.

Sorry but I have zero sympathy for these scholarship athletes. They get a free education that in many cases run upwards of 50k+. Consider Alabama. Let's say an athlete stays 3 years and gets a full athletic scholarship. Now if your a resident of the state, the per semester bill would be about 12k, which equals about 24k a year. So for 3 years that's 72k. Now add on unlimited free food, stipends, pell grants, state grants, student loans and cheating money I would say they are doing just fine. For an out of state athlete it's even more. 20k per semester, 120k for a 3 year athlete. Sorry but the athlete on scholarship is no better than the poor student who has to work a couple of jobs along with a full load of classes. I had to work a full time job in college, while taking at least 15 credit hours. While I saw football players barely go to class, have people take their tests for them and be handed grades just because they played a game. You can take your sanctimonious attitude and shove it pal.

Did your jobs take a toll on your body? Did you risk concussions every single day?

Less melodramatically, did your efforts make over a hundred million dollars for the school? Using your math for Alabama, the school could have provided all you listed plus given all 85 scholarship players $35k cars and it would have still added up to less than 10% of what the football program earned for the school in 2013.

I get the "I don't feel sorry for them" position, but it's morally indefensible.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Your statement infers that all colleges are cheating and that is so stupid its beyond belief. You cannot possibly know that ALL colleges are cheating. So please stop with your BS.

I am sorry but you must have me confused with someone else, but I don't know what this "cheating" thing you are speaking, I do see most major colleges and the NCAA violating so many statutes that I wouldn't know where to begin or covered in previous threads.

I am glad you support cheating. You should feel proud of yourself and celebrate with a couple of corn dogs.

Henry has just as much right to make a buck as you do, I pity people like you that you don't understand something that is so basic. Of course, you can continue to throw insults.

Yes, I am happy for Henry, if he is happy, glad any of these guys can make a buck. I guess I am just not a control Nazi freak that some how wants to control others.... oh well... either way I am glad for him and hope he makes more, if he can. Cash is best.

Sorry, the kid is doing nothing wrong that I can see... if someone told me I couldn't make money I would laugh at them. The thought of it is almost laughable to me.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Did your jobs take a toll on your body? Did you risk concussions every single day?

Less melodramatically, did your efforts make over a hundred million dollars for the school? Using your math for Alabama, the school could have provided all you listed plus given all 85 scholarship players $35k cars and it would have still added up to less than 10% of what the football program earned for the school in 2013.

I get the "I don't feel sorry for them" position, but it's morally indefensible.

Just like I thought, no proof could be provided for your ignorant statement. Argument failed.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I am sorry but you must have me confused with someone else, but I don't know what this "cheating" thing you are speaking, I do see most major colleges and the NCAA violating so many statutes that I wouldn't know where to begin or covered in previous threads.



Henry has just as much right to make a buck as you do, I pity people like you that you don't understand something that is so basic. Of course, you can continue to throw insults.

Yes, I am happy for Henry, if he is happy, glad any of these guys can make a buck. I guess I am just not a control Nazi freak that some how wants to control others.... oh well... either way I am glad for him and hope he makes more, if he can. Cash is best.

Sorry, the kid is doing nothing wrong that I can see... if someone told me I couldn't make money I would laugh at them. The thought of it is almost laughable to me.

Wow ok so like I said I am glad you support cheating. Good for you.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Wow ok so like I said I am glad you support cheating. Good for you.

Wow ok like I implied you support a corrupt racket, scam or mafia type system. Good for you. You would probably be good as North Korea's next leader, at least in training.

See how easy that was.

I am all for the little guy not disclosing his full revenue for the week when the mob comes calling, which is what Henry is doing. IMO Good for him. I think there should be a group pic of everyone's car with cash laying on the hood.

Cheating... :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

 

[bamawriter]

Just like I thought, no proof could be provided for your ignorant statement. Argument failed.

If stalking players' facebook pages sounds fun to you, then you have an even greater moral failing than I thought.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Bamawriter, why don't you just admit that Alabama cheats in some sort and stop trying to make excuses when we're just telling the truth? Hell I know a lot programs cheat and I'm sure Tennessee has cheated in some sort as well but thinking Alabama is one of the cleanest programs around, is just laughable.

 

[bamawriter]

Bamawriter, why don't you just admit that Alabama cheats in some sort and stop trying to make excuses when we're just telling the truth? Hell I know a lot programs cheat and I'm sure Tennessee has cheated in some sort as well but thinking Alabama is one of the cleanest programs around, is just laughable.

Why don't you admit that you haven't actually read any of my posts? If you had, you wouldn't have posted this. Or do you have short term memory retention issues? I certainly don't want to accuse you of a lack of comprehension if you have a medical condition.

 

[VolSteve]

I probably should just stay in my foxhole and stay out of this war. But it does trouble me that so many have the attitude that these kids should get all they can even if it is against the rules. Using justifications such as they are poor or the big, rich schools owe it to them sounds just like more spread the wealth BS. My parents struggled to pay my way through college as we are now working hard to pay our last son's college expenses. The attitudes that kids should break the rules and we should support breaking the rules confounds me. I for one am not ashamed to have strong moral character so if someone wants to attack me for being moralistic save your time. I'll just take it as a compliment.

 

[ajvol01]

I probably should just stay in my foxhole and stay out of this war. But it does trouble me that so many have the attitude that these kids should get all they can even if it is against the rules. Using justifications such as they are poor or the big, rich schools owe it to them sounds just like more spread the wealth BS. My parents struggled to pay my way through college as we are now working hard to pay our last son's college expenses. The attitudes that kids should break the rules and we should support breaking the rules confounds me. I for one am not ashamed to have strong moral character so if someone wants to attack me for being moralistic save your time. I'll just take it as a compliment.

Check out VolSteve with the integrity and moral fiber - I like it. :good!:

 

[G8R8U2]

They're done...

No way the NCAA can ignore this.

Meh, it's happened with other players the last few years and nothing happens. It never will

Exactly, that's hardly unusual; AU fans have been sending the NCAA pictures of Bama players with new Chargers every season for years now, as well as pictures of them doing memorabilia signings for a local men's formal clothier... and the NCAA apparently isn't interested.

They ARE interested, however, in investigating bake sales that raised money for a homeless kid to go on a recruiting trip. :loco: That's time well spent in their estimation.

 

[bamawriter]

I probably should just stay in my foxhole and stay out of this war. But it does trouble me that so many have the attitude that these kids should get all they can even if it is against the rules. Using justifications such as they are poor or the big, rich schools owe it to them sounds just like more spread the wealth BS. My parents struggled to pay my way through college as we are now working hard to pay our last son's college expenses. The attitudes that kids should break the rules and we should support breaking the rules confounds me. I for one am not ashamed to have strong moral character so if someone wants to attack me for being moralistic save your time. I'll just take it as a compliment.

If the rules are, themselves, immoral, is it immoral to break them?

 

[VolSteve]

If the rules are, themselves, immoral, is it immoral to break them?

I guess that is where we differ. I don't see a free college education, all the food they can eat and all the other perks they get in exchange for playing without cars and cash as being immoral. After all... No one is forcing them to play. They can walk away from football and make the same choice my other son had... the military.

 

[bamawriter]

I guess that is where we differ. I don't see a free college education, all the food they can eat and all the other perks they get in exchange for playing without cars and cash as being immoral. After all... No one is forcing them to play. They can walk away from football and make the same choice my other son had... the military.

No, no one forces them to play. But a lot of these kids have very few options, and come from absolute crap. It's easy to say that they should appreciate the education, but let's not kid ourselves: a lot of these kids have no business in college. They are there for no other reason than sports. The morality of that is probably best saved for another thread.

What if a guy tears his knee up, has no chance in the league, and has nothing to show for it but a BS Communications degree for which he barely ever attended class, and couldn't have understood the subject matter if he had?

 

[ajvol01]

No, no one forces them to play. But a lot of these kids have very few options, and come from absolute crap. It's easy to say that they should appreciate the education, but let's not kid ourselves: a lot of these kids have no business in college. They are there for no other reason than sports. The morality of that is probably best saved for another thread.

What if a guy tears his knee up, has no chance in the league, and has nothing to show for it but a BS Communications degree for which he barely ever attended class, and couldn't have understood the subject matter if he had?

Since you continually refer to other posters' reading comprehension, I'd suggest you re-read Steve's post.

The military is a real option for anyone that can get a college athletic scholarship.

The GI Bill and student loans are how I paid for college.

 

[VolSteve]

No, no one forces them to play. But a lot of these kids have very few options, and come from absolute crap. It's easy to say that they should appreciate the education, but let's not kid ourselves: a lot of these kids have no business in college. They are there for no other reason than sports. The morality of that is probably best saved for another thread.

What if a guy tears his knee up, has no chance in the league, and has nothing to show for it but a BS Communications degree for which he barely ever attended class, and couldn't have understood the subject matter if he had?

We all have options. I have seen many poor kids who were willing to work hard become successful. Coming from a poor background does not doom you unless you let it. Just as coming from a wealthy family guarantee success. I worked as a farm hand, sawmill worker, masonry laborer and a lot of other jobs no one but illegals will work today when I was young. My dad was born in a log house. Neither he or I ever believed anyone owed us anything we did not earn and that's how my sons were raised. Like I said in the previous post; they can always join the military. They are not owed anything just because God gave them athletic ability. (Lord I hope the God haters don't go after me now). And they can choose to actually study and earn a degree that can be turned into a good job. Many do just that. Some choose not to.

 

[VolSteve]

Should have said coming from a wealthy family doesn't guarantee success. Lying in hospital bed trying to write with the mobile...ugh!

 

[KoachKletus]

I guess that is where we differ. I don't see a free college education, all the food they can eat and all the other perks they get in exchange for playing without cars and cash as being immoral. After all... No one is forcing them to play. They can walk away from football and make the same choice my other son had... the military.

What's immoral is the school's making boatloads of cash from these kids - with the promise that if you work hard you will get a degree. That's fine, it works for the smart ones. For the other 98%, the one's that don't make it to the Sunday payoff, they end up trying to peddle that sports science or underwater bong making degree into the real world. I'm sorry to say this, but college football is big business with HUGE money at stakes. The only "pros" involved are the schools raking in the cash and the NCAA raking in their take.

 

[rjd970]

If the rules are, themselves, immoral, is it immoral to break them?

This is the crux of it. We are having two separate debates here.

One is the morality of the rules themselves. Which most of us would agree upon. The NCAA sucks.

The other is whether or not cheating is taking place, which again we would most agree upon. Bama cheats. Period.

The arguing starts with whether or not the morality of the rule justifys the cheating, and if certain schools get away with more.

My position is the rules suck and need to be changed, but right now breaking said rules creates a competitive disadvantage when one school is allowed to get away with more than other schools. I absolutely think this is the case with Bama.

Bama writer seems to think this is rationalizing on field performance. I think it is common sense. Rationalization isn't needed, it's reality.

 

[bamawriter]

Since you continually refer to other posters' reading comprehension, I'd suggest you re-read Steve's post.

The military is a real option for anyone that can get a college athletic scholarship.

The GI Bill and student loans are how I paid for college.

Did I say no options? No, I said few options.

And while I appreciate your service, and Steve's son's, and my father's (ROTC schollie), I think your stance is unrealistic.

These kids are told by millionaire coaches that they are going to be millionaires in a few short years if they commit to play at State U. And these millionaire coaches tell every kid the same thing, all the while knowing that only a small percentage will ever make the league, and an even smaller percentage will ever find lasting success.

Can these kids turn that down and join the military? Sure. But would you have if you'd had the choice? I know I wouldn't.