Deshields #3 overall pick to Chicago

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PRG said:
Both have a lot in common. They both had coaches that misused their talents! 😈
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Will be funny if she wins ROY as well, while listening to the Hollyannas explain how much better the team was without her..... :jpshakehead:
 
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Coffy73 said:
She wasn't a "cancer", just a highly talented player trying to exist in the frustrating Warlick coaching system. You could see it on Diamond's face every game, total exhausting frustration and you see it in the other players as well. Clearly after this season, Diamond wasn't the problem! She'll be great in the W and I know she'll feel great not having to carry an entire team and get blamed for every loss.
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Agreed.
 
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1CHATTVOL said:
Not even gonna get into all that except to say that I have thought the WNBA draft is highly influenced by the fever pitch of the media/tournament.

Just like when TN won in 2008, all 5 starters got drafted. Only 3 made a team and really only 2 have had much of a pro career.

Obviously subjective, but if TN had made the 2018 F4, Mercedes would've likely been picked Top 10 - maybe Top 5.

She would've been essentially the same player she is at # 22.
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Four of them made a team in 2008.
 
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I do hope DD does well in the W. Doesn't change a thing of what went on in college. People learned a lot of lessons.

GBO
 
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1CHATTVOL said:
With limited to no playing time except for Parker.
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Not surprisingly, you're way off here. Nicky Anosike was the starting center for Minnesota, Shannon Bobbitt was the starting PG for LA for a good part of the season, and Alexis Hornbuckle was the first player off the bench for Detroit. Alberta Auguste was the only one that didn't play much that first year.
 
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The one thing I like most about DD is her sense of humor. When asked, during an interview, if she was the best player to come out of Georgia, she quickly answered "Of course." Then she was reminded that Maya Moore came from Georgia, she said "I know." How can you not love someone that funny?
 
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volbeast33 said:
teams draft talented cancers all the time... that being said I hope she dominates in the WNBA
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Not with a top 3 pick. Players with significant "character issues" generally plummet in the draft until a team decides to take a flyer....
 
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Amb3096 said:
Not surprisingly, you're way off here. Nicky Anosike was the starting center for Minnesota, Shannon Bobbitt was the starting PG for LA for a good part of the season, and Alexis Hornbuckle was the first player off the bench for Detroit. Alberta Auguste was the only one that didn't play much that first year.
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And Anosike was an All Star the following year!
 
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Amb3096 said:
Not surprisingly, you're way off here. Nicky Anosike was the starting center for Minnesota, Shannon Bobbitt was the starting PG for LA for a good part of the season, and Alexis Hornbuckle was the first player off the bench for Detroit. Alberta Auguste was the only one that didn't play much that first year.
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Not surprisingly indeed. I was really speaking to playing career not just the first year. But I can see where my words were unclear.

Decided to check. Career minutes to date:

Parker 8300
Anosike 3700
Hornbuckle 3500
Bobbitt 1700
Auguste 0
 
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leejoek said:
Her father only does what a father should do. Holly is not brighter than DD's father and brother!
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Not true. Fathers should not publicly berate coaches and the team. That's what phone calls and private meetings are for. Otherwise, you're just one of those asshats more worried about themselves than their kid.

When it comes to basketball, Holly sure is more qualified.
 
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1chattvol said:
not true. Fathers should not publicly berate coaches and the team. That's what phone calls and private meetings are for. Otherwise, you're just one of those asshats more worried about themselves than their kid.

When it comes to basketball, holly sure is more qualified.
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+1,000,000,000,000,000
 
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1CHATTVOL said:
Not true. Fathers should not publicly berate coaches and the team. That's what phone calls and private meetings are for. Otherwise, you're just one of those asshats more worried about themselves than their kid.

When it comes to basketball, Holly sure is more qualified.
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Don't feed the trolls.....
 
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1CHATTVOL said:
Not surprisingly indeed. I was really speaking to playing career not just the first year. But I can see where my words were unclear.

Decided to check. Career minutes to date:

Parker 8300
Anosike 3700
Hornbuckle 3500
Bobbitt 1700
Auguste 0
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Nicky and Alexis both played 5 years in the league. Nicky could have probably played longer if she didn't get hurt. Shannon played for 4 years. All 3 players played in the WNBA for longer than the league average, which is about 3 years.

But you and I both digress. Your original point was that success in the NCAAT has a direct impact on WNBA draft placement, and used the 2008 Tennessee team as an example...despite all 4 players logging significant minutes during their rookie years. In any event, do you really believe that if SC had flamed out in the 1st round that A'ja would have dropped off the top line? Kelsey Mitchell was still drafted #2 in spite of Ohio State's second round loss, and Morgan William failed to get drafted despite being "The Face" of Miss State's consecutive championship game appearances.

I think it's fairly obvious that the players who benefit from strong NCAAT performances are those under the radar players who no one was showing much interest in, like Marie Gulich. Players like Wilson, Mitchell or even Russell have been heavily scouted, and teams pretty much know what they are getting whether they have strong tournaments or not. The coaches/analysts feedback on Russell is that she is a talented player who doesn't play with a high motor or a lot of heart, and there are few on this board that would disagree with that statement.
 
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Amb3096 said:
...I think it's fairly obvious that the players who benefit from strong NCAAT performances are those under the radar players who no one was showing much interest in, like Marie Gulich. Players like Wilson, Mitchell or even Russell have been heavily scouted, and teams pretty much know what they are getting whether they have strong tournaments or not. The coaches/analysts feedback on Russell is that she is a talented player who doesn't play with a high motor or a lot of heart, and there are few on this board that would disagree with that statement.
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Appreciate your comments. It seems that we kinda agree.

Had State won the trophy, Morgan William may have been drafted (3rd round) instead of just invited. I think a natty or even F4 would've boosted Jaime and Mercedes.

I don't think poor NCAA play hurts the very top players, no. But there seems to be this boost/fever pitch around the winning team.

There were folks projecting Russell as high as 6 this year. But most had her 2nd Round. I think Stephens entering and Gulich doing well in post season pushed Russell down in the draft.

Wonder why Russell went from consensus Top 5 pick if she'd come out as a junior to #22. Do you think her senior performance was that off from her junior year? Or is it mostly what I said about other tall posts becoming interesting & available?
 
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1CHATTVOL said:
Appreciate your comments. It seems that we kinda agree.

Had State won the trophy, Morgan William may have been drafted (3rd round) instead of just invited. I think a natty or even F4 would've boosted Jaime and Mercedes.

I don't think poor NCAA play hurts the very top players, no. But there seems to be this boost/fever pitch around the winning team.

There were folks projecting Russell as high as 6 this year. But most had her 2nd Round. I think Stephens entering and Gulich doing well in post season pushed Russell down in the draft.

Wonder why Russell went from consensus Top 5 pick if she'd come out as a junior to #22. Do you think her senior performance was that off from her junior year? Or is it mostly what I said about other tall posts becoming interesting & available?
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I don't think Morgan had a chance. Maybe she would have gotten a look last year, but she was too well known at this point, and her size would have been an issue whether MSST won or lost the NC game.

As for Mercedes, I don't think Stevens' decision impacted her since they play different positions. I don't even think Gulich passing her was because of the tournament. I was seeing mock drafts during the latter part of the regular season that had Russell slipping to the 2nd round. I think she slipped more because of the strength of this draft compared to last year, and the fact that Mercedes hasn't improved much and is hampered by the fact that she's slow and not that athletic. Sure, she can score against single coverage pretty handily when she gets the ball in scoring position, but she has horrible hands and can only catch the entry pass when it's perfect, she's a lazy rebounder, and she doesn't protect the paint the way a 6'6 player should. Combine all that with the fact that she plays with little hustle/heart and phones it in way too much, and you have a late 2nd round pick. Even though her numbers look decent at a glance, she was still a disappointment because her numbers would have been so much better if she played with some sense of urgency. Granted, Tennessee would have been even more horrible without her, but she clearly made a mistake (at least in terms of her basketball career) by coming back. All it did was give pro coaches an opportunity to put her under the microscope without being concealed by Diamond.
 
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Amb3096 said:
I don't think Morgan had a chance. Maybe she would have gotten a look last year, but she was too well known at this point, and her size would have been an issue whether MSST won or lost the NC game.

As for Mercedes, I don't think Stevens' decision impacted her since they play different positions. I don't even think Gulich passing her was because of the tournament. I was seeing mock drafts during the latter part of the regular season that had Russell slipping to the 2nd round. I think she slipped more because of the strength of this draft compared to last year, and the fact that Mercedes hasn't improved much and is hampered by the fact that she's slow and not that athletic. Sure, she can score against single coverage pretty handily when she gets the ball in scoring position, but she has horrible hands and can only catch the entry pass when it's perfect, she's a lazy rebounder, and she doesn't protect the paint the way a 6'6 player should. Combine all that with the fact that she plays with little hustle/heart and phones it in way too much, and you have a late 2nd round pick. Even though her numbers look decent at a glance, she was still a disappointment because her numbers would have been so much better if she played with some sense of urgency. Granted, Tennessee would have been even more horrible without her, but she clearly made a mistake (at least in terms of her basketball career) by coming back. All it did was give pro coaches an opportunity to put her under the microscope without being concealed by Diamond.
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You are absolutely correct. I also think that is why Jaime slipped a bit as well. Not because she wasn't talented but because the team still didn't perform with out the proclaimed cancer on the team and in games where their leadership was needed you had the freshman saving the team more than the 2 stars.

I hope not giving in the first round motivates both of them and that they prove to be better than what we saw at UT (especially Mercedes).
 
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