Developing story on Mel Tucker

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Volfan1000 said:
Tennessee avoided a disaster when Fulmer did not hire Tucker during the 2017 coaching search.
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As if the choice Fulmer made was not a disaster?

As I have said on here several times-at least what Pruitt did was "quaint". College kids getting some extra cash-stop the presses The mistake he made was being involved with the whole thing.

I still remember clearly that cold January day in 2021 though. t's easy to gloss over it all after all the good things that have happened since-but that day brought the program to its knees man. Anybody said on that day we would be as far advanced as we are right now would have been laughed off this board.
 
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LouderVol said:
I mean Manti Teo got catfished into thinking he was in a relationship with a fake girl.
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No he didn't.
He had no real relationship.
He got catfished and thought she was real, but faked the relationship angle to improve his media exposure during the Heisman season.
He got what he deserved. He thought he was manipulating a sick woman for media points, but he got manipulated.
and exposed as a joke in the press, then by Bama's offense.
 
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UTFanHades said:
It’s very relevant to AJ Johnson because he was kicked off the football team and denied gainful employment in the NFL only because of hearsay allegations that were later proven in a court (where we still have some level of due process for now) to be completely baseless. Criminal charges aren’t the only penalty that can arise before due process is determined. I also know someone present at the party and that has firsthand knowledge of what occurred and this person’s statements corroborate the court findings. I’m not upset and you’re the one being emotional and projecting those feelings towards me via (wait for it) allegations.

Please refer to the other comment I had where, upon learning of his stmts when I previously stated i didn’t have complete knowledge of the facts, that I state that his admission is indeed an ethical lapse at minimum. It’s possible he can face termination or even criminal charges, but he deserves due process under both his employment agreement and the law.
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I agree AJ Johnson was screwed over badly. But Tucker has already admitted enough to likely be fired. What if he is attracted to some recruit’s mom and decides to call her up in the middle of the night for phone sex?
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Officially starting the process to fire him.

If you think this is about anything other than MSU getting out of his massive contract, you're crazy.

Yeah he screwed up, but this was a witch hunt.
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AT some point these coaches are going to wise up and direct their agents to negotiate more reasonable buyouts. Had his buyout been one year, they probably just fire him and let things go, now UT (and soon MSU) will have shown other universities the roadmap to "fire for cause" and every coach will have any sorid event in his or her life publicized for all to see. In the good old days, he takes a job as a DC, recycles and gets a head gig - if he wants it - somewhere else......now any school that wants to hire him (for any job) has to put up with the protestors and the flamers.
 
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Wireless1 said:
AT some point these coaches are going to wise up and direct their agents to negotiate more reasonable buyouts. Had his buyout been one year, they probably just fire him and let things go, now UT (and soon MSU) will have shown other universities the roadmap to "fire for cause" and every coach will have any sorid event in his or her life publicized for all to see. In the good old days, he takes a job as a DC, recycles and gets a head gig - if he wants it - somewhere else......now any school that wants to hire him (for any job) has to put up with the protestors and the flamers.
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He knew this was coming-eventually-since at least the summer.

Tucker could have stepped down under the guise of health or family concerns. It would have been a major hubbub for a day or two and then.......boom forgotten about. When this did come out, it would have been on page 37 of the news and probably not noticed by many outside MIchSt fans

Now he's gonna have no contract and really no hope of even being on staff at a P5 school-at least for a few years.

The whole situation has been a double down on a bad bet (wanking on a phone call) all along
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The question of who they go for next is pretty wide open, it seems. I'd like to see them get Hartline from tOSU because I'm not convinced Day is that good, but I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.

spartanswire.usatoday.com

20 potential candidates to replace Mel Tucker as Michigan State football's coach

Who could potentially replace Mel Tucker? We came up with 20 coaches to consider.
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Most of their top choices-why? Would be a lateral move at best for most of them. Why would DeBoer want to leave for a "little brother" school in the same conference as of next year?

I may need to sign up for membership on some Spartan forums and see if I can get the Grumors started
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The question of who they go for next is pretty wide open, it seems. I'd like to see them get Hartline from tOSU because I'm not convinced Day is that good, but I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.

spartanswire.usatoday.com

20 potential candidates to replace Mel Tucker as Michigan State football's coach

Who could potentially replace Mel Tucker? We came up with 20 coaches to consider.
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The only names that make sense are the Mich St assistants currently on staff, Tressel, Leonhard, and maybe Hartline.

For all of the rest of them, it is either a lateral move/downgrade or they can likely hold out for a much better job in the not too distant future. Why in the hell would DeBoer, Matt Campbell, Narduzzi, or Klieman take that job?
 
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With all the sexual issues they have on that campus maybe they should hire the first AI robot as a head coach!
 
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Hartline is the best recruiter and developer of WR's in the country, nobody is even a close 2nd..... Can't see him leaving with the insane bunch he has coming in next year, with the best possibly in the last decade....Jeremiah Smith, who said if Hartline is there then I am coming.

There are a lot of good coaches who would look at that job possibly as a step-up in Klieman at Kansas State, certainly Lance Leipold at Kansas, who is an excellent coach, maybe Mark Dantonio for a 2nd term, among many others.
 
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05_never_again said:
The only names that make sense are the Mich St assistants currently on staff, Tressel, Leonhard, and maybe Hartline.

For all of the rest of them, it is either a lateral move/downgrade or they can likely hold out for a much better job in the not too distant future. Why in the hell would DeBoer, Matt Campbell, Narduzzi, or Klieman take that job?
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That's why I called it wide open. If they're really going to open up the vault like they did for Tucker, maybe somebody like Campbell gets tempted.

Given the massive B1G TV money, the instability of the NCAA and conference system, and the possiblity that college football as we know it could be destroyed by the courts in a few years...... a guaranteed $70+ million contract is quite the parachute for someone's family should it all really start to crumble.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Legal harassment, sure. Enough for Michigan State to fire him, no doubt.

Again, his behavior was with a woman whose entire career is based upon her rape and healing and trying to prevent harassment and rape in sports programs. It's uphill for him to suggest "she wanted it" given her history and the fact she reported it.

If some coaches come forward saying "she did that flirty thing with me" or something then maybe his claim that she was complicit has legs, but that won't save his job and probably his career.
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Was she an employee of Mich St? Did he say "either stay on the phone or else I'll have you fired?" I'm not sure he was in a position to harass her.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Was she an employee of Mich St? Did he say "either stay on the phone or else I'll have you fired?" I'm not sure he was in a position to harass her.
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He has a business/professional relationship with her by virtue of his employer paying her to speak to the team that he coaches. What he did would be defined as an "inappropriate relationship" by any employee handbook ever written, and grounds for termination. Even if it was 100% consensual.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Was she an employee of Mich St? Did he say "either stay on the phone or else I'll have you fired?" I'm not sure he was in a position to harass her.
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In his own statement he said he asked her to speak to the team, a paid speaking engagement funded by Michigan State, and that he postponed her next speaking engagement there, but didn't cancel it.

He obviously had some control over her business interests with Michigan State.

Forming a relationship with someone who is a client whose business relationship you control is not going to work out well for you if the relationship goes south.

Mel Tucker isn't the devil and this lady is no angel, but Mel Tucker is an absolute fool for getting wrapped up in this and costing himself a career and millions of dollars.
 
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05_never_again said:
He has a business/professional relationship with her by virtue of his employer paying her to speak to the team that he coaches. What he did would be defined as an "inappropriate relationship" by any employee handbook ever written, and grounds for termination. Even if it was 100% consensual.
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Only if MI State has an policy against fraternization. And since she wasn't an employee I'm betting they have no policy covering that.
 
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