Developing story on Mel Tucker

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butchna said:
Posters are getting themselves sidetracked on this one. HER culpability in the matter isn’t at issue in dealing with HIS employment. Whether she instigated, encouraged what not has nothing to do with his self-admitted conduct…the ONE caveat in his contract that allows him to be cut loose without a cent. Shame and disrepute to the program. Doesn’t matter if there was a sting operation set up. When he pulled it out it was his action. I said early on that they may float a lifeline settlement to avoid embarrassing details revealed in court, but also to use his narrative when potentially settling with her later on.
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Is jerking off on a private call considered poor moral turpitude? Maybe a gray area?
 
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GrayWaterCanine said:
Is jerking off on a private call considered poor moral turpitude? Maybe a gray area?
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It is if the university determines that doing so, and the news of it breaking, has negatively effected the perception of the university in the eyes of the public.

Wouldn't say it's much of a gray area in that case.
 
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GrayWaterCanine said:
They probably love the fact that they believe they can escape his contract, but their actions are heavily influenced by the Nasser situation of the past. They can't push back too hard.
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If anything the Dr Nassar situation only made them more sensitive to the issue and more prepared to take care of it without hesitation or a legal hitch.

Not that Tucker is anything like the pervert Nassar is, but Michigan State is the very last place an employee wants to get caught doing something sexually sordid.

I assume there's negotiations for his payout and he'll probably still leave millions richer for not coaching, so it's hard to feel too bad for him. It won't make me unhappy if they......stiff him.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
You think Michigan State University is okay with a professor having a relationship, even a consensual relationship, with an adult student in one of their classes?

Do you think Michigan State University is okay with an admin having a consensual relationship with someone in the office?

Do you think Michigan State University is okay with a coach having a consensual relationship with someone on staff?

Based on the above answers, do you think Michigan State University is okay with a coach having a consensual relationship with a contractor being paid by the athletic department?
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Even if it was consensual, my thought is he is gone and probably should be for the embarrassment to the University and Team this has caused.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
When the person reports it, it was unwelcome. How is that not obvious?

Are you of the opinion that perhaps a rape didn't occur if it's not reported in a timely manner?

Why is harassment different?
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I do not think it's as simple as "if a person reports it, it is unwelcome." There is a possibility that the person wanted it at the time, the relationship fizzles, then she wants revenge and reports it. My point here is that whether this was welcome or not welcome is a pertinent component when considering whether harassment occurred.
 
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GrayWaterCanine said:
Is jerking off on a private call considered poor moral turpitude? Maybe a gray area?
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I don’t know what color it is, but it’s an EMBARRASSING admission that violates a provision of his contract. And with MSU paying for that hotel room, it was on company time.
 
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05_never_again said:
Nope. He can (and still would) be canned for having an inappropriate relationship with a woman who, while she wasn't an employee, had a professional/business relationship with him. That's the point people keep missing with this. Even if Mel's account of events is 100% accurate and truthful, Michigan St can and will fire him for cause based on the moral turpitude clause. They have buyer's remorse on the contract they signed him to, and he gave the school a get out of jail free card.

The only way Mel comes out of this as something other than the villain is if the woman and the school conspired to set him up. I love a good conspiracy theory, but there's no way that happened.
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MI State has no policy on relationships between employees and contractors. I don't see how moral turpitude plays into this if the relationship was consensual and there is no policy forbidding it.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I do not think it's as simple as "if a person reports it, it is unwelcome." There is a possibility that the person wanted it at the time, the relationship fizzles, then she wants revenge and reports it. My point here is that whether this was welcome or not welcome is a pertinent component when considering whether harassment occurred.
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Legal harassment, sure. Enough for Michigan State to fire him, no doubt.

Again, his behavior was with a woman whose entire career is based upon her rape and healing and trying to prevent harassment and rape in sports programs. It's uphill for him to suggest "she wanted it" given her history and the fact she reported it.

If some coaches come forward saying "she did that flirty thing with me" or something then maybe his claim that she was complicit has legs, but that won't save his job and probably his career.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Legal harassment, sure. Enough for Michigan State to fire him, no doubt.

Again, his behavior was with a woman whose entire career is based upon her rape and healing and trying to prevent harassment and rape in sports programs. It's uphill for him to suggest "she wanted it" given her history and the fact she reported it.

If some coaches come forward saying "she did that flirty thing with me" or something then maybe his claim that she was complicit has legs, but that won't save his job and probably his career.
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The burden is on her to prove that it wasn't consensual. Again, I'm not sure on the facts here but it appears that this happened in April and she waited until December to report it. That's consistent with Tucker's claim that they had a consensual relationship and it was only after it fizzled that she reported it
 
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hog88 said:
MI State has no policy on relationships between employees and contractors. I don't see how moral turpitude plays into this if the relationship was consensual and there is no policy forbidding it.
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They could still claim it makes the university look bad, and they'd be right. OM fired Hugh Freeze because he called hookers from a university phone that he was also allowed to make personal calls on. It's a similar kind of thing.
 
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05_never_again said:
They could still claim it makes the university look bad, and they'd be right. OM fired Hugh Freeze because he called hookers from a university phone that he was also allowed to make personal calls on. It's a similar kind of thing.
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Hiring hookers is illegal.

Hey, I get it. MiST is looking for any reason to reduce or possibly get out of paying Tucker a buyout and this gives them the ammunition they need.
 
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Sea Ray said:
The burden is on her to prove that it wasn't consensual. Again, I'm not sure on the facts here but it appears that this happened in April and she waited until December to report it. That's consistent with Tucker's claim that they had a consensual relationship and it was only after it fizzled that she reported it
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For his job, the burden is on him. He can say all day that "we had a relationship and she's trying to ruin me."

The school just has to say: jerking off on the phone with someone you knew via the University, consensual or not, and having it hit the press is "conduct that brings public disrespect, contempt, or ridicule on the University." Did you or did you not masturbate while on the phone with this lady?

If the answer is yes, he's gone. I think he may have already admitted to that.

It's not about proving that he harassed her. It's about his lack of judgement causing the university shame. It has. Here we are talking about it.

As an aside, apparently he never was alone with her in several months of contact. That, alone, says volumes about how consensual it was. The man is a millionaire. As I said before, be a man and schedule a recruiting trip and take care of business. Oh, wait, she apparently wouldn't meet him without her assistant being present.

Hmmmmm
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Sorry man, it's not 1970. The days of attorneys asking rape, sexual assault, domestic assault, etc victims.... "Why didn't you fight back or just leave?" are over.

The question is: why did Mel Tucker start touching himself on the phone with a woman?

He won't be able to answer that as appropriate activity with someone connected to his work. He's done.
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Attorneys still ask these questions. The jury now just stares them down while they ask them.

Asked my wife about this case, and she says this woman talked to him dozens of times. There was something she was wanting from Mel.

Tucker is a dufus for not paying $1.99/minute for his thrills.
 
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SpookyAction said:
Attorneys still ask these questions. The jury now just stares them down while they ask them.

Asked my wife about this case, and she says this woman talked to him dozens of times. There was something she was wanting from Mel.

Tucker is a dufus for not paying $1.99/minute for his thrills.
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She apparently got gifts and scheduled paid talks at the school. He says she wanted a sugar daddy but I'm skeptical once he admitted that in months of contact, he was never alone with her.

If it was mutual, c'mon.
 
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hog88 said:
Hiring hookers is illegal.

Hey, I get it. MiST is looking for any reason to reduce or possibly get out of paying Tucker a buyout and this gives them the ammunition they need.
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Nope. You can hire all the hookers you want. You can hire a hooker to wash your car (I swear I wasn't making a Butch Jones joke here), paint your fence, etc etc. Paying a hooker for sex is when it becomes illegal.

Quite frankly at this point, Tucker will probably not see a dime due to PR blowback it would cause. He wanted a settlement of $10 million or so, he was gonna have to make the deal before it became public. Basically over the summer, step down citing his health, working on his family, blah blah blah

As things are, nobody looks good-at all. Mich St looks dumb for letting him on the sidelines after this was known about and Tucker, well his coaching career is over. I'm not even sure he could get a gig like Cornbreads by the time this is all over.

As I said in a previous post, at least what Pruitt did was "quaint". Anybody who doesn't know some college players have been getting paid for a century (at least lol) doesn't have two brain cells to rub together. This mess in Michigan is on a completely different level really.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I think he’s saying Pruitt, Tucker, and Steele were Fulmer’s list of possible coaches. With the Tucker sexual harassment deal and Pruitt basically being a terrible coach and somehow an even worse cheater, that leaves Steele as the only one of those that might have been a decent coach. Or at least that’s what I’m getting from it.
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Ok, with that context it makes a lot more sense. Initially I thought who is ‘Guess Steele’ and what short straws we taking about in CPF .. lol
 
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Tucker is toast. You / I / We can burn another 100 pages on this thread, and at the end...Tucker is toast.

That simple. But have fun with it.

Go Vols.
 
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GrayWaterCanine said:
I am genuinely curious who decides that. Is picking your nose in traffic covered?
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The employer decides. It happens all the time.

Go viral throwing a fit like a child in an airport or fast food place or go viral using racist language at a checkout...... and there's a good chance if you're outed as an employee of a corporation that you'll find yourself in HR getting the boot.

Companies have reputations and protect them.
 
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Since I've been working at home, we joke about the difference between sexual harassment and sex. Or sexual not-harassment, whatever you happen to be doing. It would be really easy to set somebody up that way. I have a hard time believing she'd go along with something like that, but it does benefit the university enormously.
 
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Firebirdparts said:
Since I've been working at home, we joke about the difference between sexual harassment and sex. Or sexual not-harassment, whatever you happen to be doing. It would be really easy to set somebody up that way. I have a hard time believing she'd go along with something like that, but it does benefit the university enormously.
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Money talks. Not trying to be political, but I remember watching a woman who got a nice load of money for trying to testify that a judge nominee had sexually assaulted her. Her own best friend wouldn't even lie for her, said she wasn't even at the party. Anyone sick enough to sexually assault someone should pay with blood imo, but I have zero doubts that there are flat out lies to benefit be it a university, political party, etc. It's just as disgusting to lie about such a thing.
 
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Firebirdparts said:
Since I've been working at home, we joke about the difference between sexual harassment and sex. Or sexual not-harassment, whatever you happen to be doing. It would be really easy to set somebody up that way. I have a hard time believing she'd go along with something like that, but it does benefit the university enormously.
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The complaint is 1200 pages? I think she set him up.
 
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