Did Hopson set himself up for failure? (merged)

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#52
#52
pl3 said:
For you guys blaming BP for Scotty's mental shortcomings: Why wouldn't a genius NBA HC or asst coach think they could fix him if it was that easy?
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They probably don't want to spend three years developing a skill set that should already be there by now.
 
#53
#53
mtt2d said:
They probably don't want to spend three years developing a skill set that should already be there by now.
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Outside of dribbling, skill set isn't holding Scotty back or they would jump on him in a heart beat. It's the floating, watching, disappearing, lack of effort and mental instability, not the skill set.
 
#54
#54
pl3 said:
For you guys blaming BP for Scotty's mental shortcomings: Why wouldn't a genius NBA HC or asst coach think they could fix him if it was that easy?
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Could be because they think they can sign other players who are better than him that don't need mental adjustments.
 
#56
#56
pl3 said:
Outside of dribbling, skill set isn't holding Scotty back or they would jump on him in a heart beat. It's the floating, watching, disappearing, lack of effort and mental instability, not the skill set.
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I would say that playing defense is a skill set as well as learning how to avoid those bad tendencies you named.
 
#57
#57
BasketvolsFan said:
Could be because they think they can sign other players who are better than him that don't need mental adjustments.
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That's exactly my point. If it were a skill issue or tweaking his game, he would have been drafted. Almost all players drafted have to improve their skills in every aspect of the game to play in the NBA. However, if you have a player that is not mentally there, you can't take the risk, and you choose a different path.
 
#58
#58
pl3 said:
For you guys blaming BP for Scotty's mental shortcomings: Why wouldn't a genius NBA HC or asst coach think they could fix him if it was that easy?
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pl3 said:
Outside of dribbling, skill set isn't holding Scotty back or they would jump on him in a heart beat. It's the floating, watching, disappearing, lack of effort and mental instability, not the skill set.
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Much easier to fix a guys mentality as an incoming freshman, than a rookie coming off his junior year.

If BP took a tough stance with him from the start it would have put the program and Scotty far better position at this point.

If I'm an NBA guy I'm not going to take years and cap space to try and convince a guy to "want it."
 
#59
#59
JZVOL said:
Much easier to fix a guys mentality as an incoming freshman, than a rookie coming off his junior year.

If BP took a tough stance with him from the start it would have benefited the program and Scotty far better position at this point.

If I'm an NBA guy I'm not going to take three years and cap space to try and convince a guy to "want it."
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In general, I agree, but I've been around a lot of players through the years, (though not as much over the past few years.) Coaches can't fix everyone. There is always that one kid who has everything withing reach, but can't grasp it. Scotty seems to be one of those.
 
#60
#60
JZVOL said:
Much easier to fix a guys mentality as an incoming freshman, than a rookie coming off his junior year.

If BP took a tough stance with him from the start it would have put the program and Scotty far better position at this point.

If I'm an NBA guy I'm not going to take three years and cap space to try and convince a guy to "want it."
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I agree. Hopson came to UT knowing he was going to start and play regardless. Pearl felt he had to play him as a 5* recruit. He was never pushed to the point that he would not play if he didn't give the game all he had. He was going to play regardless. This approach has put him in his current status. He has ability, but has never been told that he needed to improve and give all he had or would not be playing. He, obviously, got by on physical talent alone in college, but it doesn't carry over to the NBA. I feel bad for him as another coach who pushed him would have him in a much better status for being ready for the league.
 
#61
#61
pl3 said:
In general, I agree, but I've been around a lot of players through the years, (though not as much over the past few years.) Coaches can't fix everyone. There is always that one kid who has everything withing reach, but can't grasp it. Scotty seems to be one of those.
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Another issue for Scotty is that he isn't exceptional at anything in particular. He's a good shooter but inconsistent at times, ball handling is well documented, not a great passer, not a great rebounder, effort on D is lacking at times...
 
#62
#62
JZVOL said:
Another issue for Scotty is that he isn't exceptional at anything in particular. He's a good shooter but inconsistent at times, ball handling is well documented, not a great passer, not a great rebounder, effort on D is lacking at times...
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Harris is a perfect example. He is not nearly as athletic as Hopson, but has worked hard to improve all aspects of his game. His mental approach is very strong---the Michigan game is an example. He never quit playing hard regardless of the score. If Hopson had worked as hard on all aspects of his game and had the mental approach of Harris, he would have been a top 10 pick.
 
#63
#63
JZVOL said:
Another issue for Scotty is that he isn't exceptional at anything in particular. He's a good shooter but inconsistent at times, ball handling is well documented, not a great passer, not a great rebounder, effort on D is lacking at times...
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I don't disagree with much you guys are saying, but I don't know that a hard line stance from BP wouldn't have meant Scotty ends up back in Hoptown flipping burgers. The one thing I lay squarely on Scotty is his lack of dribbling ability. I remember the same thing with Yarborough. He should have taken that on himself over the past 3 years and he never did. Coaches don't fix years of dribbling issues during team practice time because there isn't enough time alloted. A player with pro potential needs to be a man and take ownership of his issues, which never happened, which again leads to his "delusional" label.
 
#64
#64
pl3 said:
I don't disagree with much you guys are saying, but I don't know that a hard line stance from BP wouldn't have meant Scotty ends up back in Hoptown flipping burgers. The one thing I lay squarely on Scotty is his lack of dribbling ability. I remember the same thing with Yarborough. He should have taken that on himself over the past 3 years and he never did. Coaches don't fix years of dribbling issues during team practice time because there isn't enough time alloted. A player with pro potential needs to be a man and take ownership of his issues, which never happened, which again leads to his "delusional" label.
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Very true.
 
#65
#65
He posted on Facebook a couple of weeks back about having a draft party... Bet that party was a buzzkill.

ps go ahead and call me a facebook stalker, I know its coming.
 
#66
#66
TooLegit2Quit said:
Jesus Christ, people crawling out of the woodwork once again to take their shots at Hopson, a guy that didn't do anything wrong. I recommend you stop jacking off to Rivals/Scouts hype and *****ing about it when the player doesn't live up to that hype. Scotty was a good player for Tennessee, and handled himself with class both on and off the court.
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^ This.. and he had a killer Fresh Prince Flat Top
 
#67
#67
pl3 said:
For you guys blaming BP for Scotty's mental shortcomings: Why wouldn't a genius NBA HC or asst coach think they could fix him if it was that easy?
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Guess that settles it. I doubt a meeting or 2 can help someone determine that. It would take being around him and getting to know him before anyone could determine that.
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#68
#68
BigOrangeCrazy said:
ITSGR82BATNVOL said:
Anyone with any degree of Basketball knowledge knew Hopson wasn't a 1st round draft pick, even in a weak draft. People who thought / said otherwise is clueless. Now he can drop his head and pout like he did during his time on the hill when things didn't go his way. I won't miss his whiny ass one little bit. He got exactly what he deserved.[/QUOTE

:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

Scottie says hi, and he's taking good care of your ex.
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I wonder how she feels after her meal ticket didn't get picked.
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#69
#69
Which person/group was more responsible for him being virtually the same player now that he was coming out of HS? I will admit I was on the Scotty kool-aid when we got him, but he was probably the most disappointing player in recent memory.. not because of the results, but because we all knew he had so much more potential than he showed on the court. My choice would be it was a combination of poor coaching and Scotty letting himself down with his lackluster work ethic. I wish the guy luck though, I hope he figures it all out soon and can make it to the league.
 
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#71
#71
cotton said:
No, he shouldn't have. His draft stock will never be higher, and Tennessee basketball is a mess. His advice, and his decision, were correct. The goal now is to find a fit and make a roster as a free agent.
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No it wasn't because he'd be in the same place next year but he'd be a better all around player. His chances of making the league would be greater if he fixed his flaws with conzo. Now he has to to overseas or the d league and will have a harder time getting there.
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#75
#75
Don't forget Mike Hamilton who let down him and the entire team with his motivational message as the bus departed for Charlotte.

Scotty had a good year and made some incredible plays to help us have the success we managed in 2010-11. While I am glad he's moved on so we can have a clean start in 2011-12, with new "leaders", I can still say thanks for the memories.
 
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