Did Hopson set himself up for failure? (merged)

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#76
#76
Whoever didn't handle things early in life as a mentor or parent is responsible for the early years. Once Scotty went to college, he was supposed to leave a man. If you are a man, you take responsibility.
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#78
#78
How can you blame Mike Hamilton for Scotty being lazy? MH is gone.. stop making him immortal by bringing him back up :p
 
#79
#79
jasonvol18 said:
Guess that settles it. I doubt a meeting or 2 can help someone determine that. It would take being around him and getting to know him before anyone could determine that.
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I watched those two youtube interviews. He seems to be trying his best to fake a good positive attitude. He thinks he knows what GM's want to hear so he's just saying that over and over. Like a pianist who is efficient at reading the notes but can't make you feel the music cuz every note is the exact same volume... kinda blah medium.

There is something weird about this kid. It's odd. He seems smart. He speaks very well and fast.

I feel like he's the kind of kid that would drive a coach mad because he probably gives all the right feedback... like he understands what is being asked of him and is even positive about taking direction... and then he has all the physical tools to be able to accomplish what it is a coach is requiring... but aside from random, fleeting streaks of brilliance... he just doesn't do what is expected, even when you keep lowering your expectations.

Scotty, if you're out there, ditch the people guiding you right now. Find someone who is gonna be honest with you at all times. Find a coach/trainer who will push, and push, and says things that totally piss you off. Never quit on that guy. Make a comeback kid. You can do it.
 
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#80
#80
altidore17 said:
Which person/group was more responsible for him being virtually the same player now that he was coming out of HS?
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He isn't the same player he was coming out of high school. He is much better, and his numbers and accolades back that up.

The perception of his potential is much different. He was a first round pick before he came to UT had he been allowed. Whether the reason for that is some failing of UT or Hopson or whether it is simply a matter of a new evaluation after 3 years of more information is the question.

He hasn't quit basketball, and he still has plenty of opportunity to make his mark in the NBA or elsewhere. That may answer some of the question.

hep said:
Poor work ethic. Which equals himself.
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GetEmVols said:
How can you blame Mike Hamilton for Scotty being lazy? MH is gone.. stop making him immortal by bringing him back up :p
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Where does the information that Scotty is lazy with poor work ethic come from?
 
#81
#81
utvols88 said:
No it wasn't because he'd be in the same place next year but he'd be a better all around player. His chances of making the league would be greater if he fixed his flaws with conzo. Now he has to to overseas or the d league and will have a harder time getting there.
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You make a lot of assumptions. I don't think any of them are correct.
 
#82
#82
Scotty is undoubtedly a player who makes an impact. However, as I have seen many times this season, he allows his pride and his ego to get the best of him, and it brings him down. Right now, it is Scotty versus Scotty. I just hope he can get those issues in order, shrink his head a bit and concentrate on being a difference maker instead of being flashy. That's just my opinion, of course.
 
#83
#83
Himself and whoever is guiding him in his career, agent, aau coach, family friend who want to be an agent and knows some ex-nba player. He needs to trust someone who will be honest with him.
 
#84
#84
cotton said:
He isn't the same player he was coming out of high school. He is much better, and his numbers and accolades back that up.

The perception of his potential is much different. He was a first round pick before he came to UT had he been allowed. Whether the reason for that is some failing of UT or Hopson or whether it is simply a matter of a new evaluation after 3 years of more information is the question.

He hasn't quit basketball, and he still has plenty of opportunity to make his mark in the NBA or elsewhere. That may answer some of the question.


If he has good work ethic, he didn't work on the right things. That's the mental aspect. How can you say you have good work ethic, if you still can't dribble? Harris inthopsond work ethic to hopson.


Where does the information that Scotty is lazy with poor work ethic come from?
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#85
#85
geechevol said:
Don't forget Mike Hamilton who let down him and the entire team with his motivational message as the bus departed for Charlotte.

Scotty had a good year and made some incredible plays to help us have the success we managed in 2010-11. While I am glad he's moved on so we can have a clean start in 2011-12, with new "leaders", I can still say thanks for the memories.
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That one of the major reasons he wasn't drafted. If anything, Hamilton's comments should have made him play harder, not simply make no effort in the game. If you quit every time something doesn't go your way, you will only play about 50% of the time. Things simply aren't perfect most of the time. NBA teams aren't looking for players who only make effort when times are good or the game is going good for them.
 
#86
#86
Sorry about the post repeat above. Regarding Scotty's work ethic, how can he have one if he still can't dribble efficiently? Was he working hard on the wrong things? That's part of the mental aspect missing. Harris introduced him to work ethic and how its done.
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#87
#87
Well, the agent or agents or advisors who told him to consider entering the draft might share a portion of the blame in this very sad situation. What were they looking at, possibilities for Scotty or po$$ibilitie$ for them?
 
#90
#90
Who failed Scotty Hopson the most?

The answer lies within the question, Grasshopper.
 
#91
#91
He couldn"t take over a game against a poor sec team. Or some of the Division 2 level. So what makes you think he can make it big in the NBA. I said before good luck in Spain or Turkey.
 
#92
#92
Saw this result coming from the very beginning. There are precious few spots in the NBA that open each year, and it was easy to see that Hopson was not ready to play at that level.

For the life of me, I just do not understand the delusion that befalls many college basketball players. Hopson is not the first to make this mistake and won't be the last. But, that does not change the fact that he threw away his last season in college, which would have given him one more chance to get better and show more to the scouts. An opportunity wasted.

IMO, Harris would have made more money by playing another year in college. The difference between being a lottery pick and the nineteenth pick is a large difference.
 
#93
#93
EZE said:
Saw this result coming from the very beginning. There are precious few spots in the NBA that open each year, and it was easy to see that Hopson was not ready to play at that level.

For the life of me, I just do not understand the delusion that befalls many college basketball players. Hopson is not the first to make this mistake and won't be the last. But, that does not change the fact that he threw away his last season in college, which would have given him one more chance to get better and show more to the scouts. An opportunity wasted.

IMO, Harris would have made more money by playing another year in college. The difference between being a lottery pick and the nineteenth pick is a large difference.
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Because a big part of the delusion is created by those around kids and in their ear as early as 12-13 and through the moldable teenage years.
 
#94
#94
i thought scotty should have came back for senior season.but last night draft reminds me of how bad the nba has gotten in last 20 years.we all know scotty has his faults but the talent in draft was awful.all the forieng players especially in 2 rd were picked cause teams dont expect them to come to us and play so they dont have to pay them.they were not 20 quality players drafted.back in the days were only a handfull of under classmen played in nba ,both the nba and collage basketball were better.
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#95
#95
cotton said:
You make a lot of assumptions. I don't think any of them are correct.
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Bold statement. Let me say something and not explain it.

I thought about leaving it at that but I actually explain myself. Another year in college playing under a guy who has coached at purdue and playing against a field with more future NBA players is better than going Dleague or overseas. See Tyler smith. If he didn't get drafted next year then what difference would his position be? A more improved player is the difference and if he regressed then I guess pro bball isn't his gig but at least he has a degree. My assumptions aren't even radical.
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#96
#96
utvols88 said:
My assumptions aren't even radical.
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They might not be radical, but I don't think they are right, either.

You assume that the NBA drafts on polish rather than potential. I think that is wrong.

You assume that Martin would somehow magically increase his draft potential in his senior season when 3 years on the Hill have caused it to fall. You assume this even though next year's draft class is projected to be much stronger than this year's. I think that is wrong.

You assume that because he was not drafted that he must go overseas or to the D league before getting a shot at the NBA. I think that is wrong.

You assume that going overseas or to DL would give him less of a chance to get into the NBA than playing in Knoxville next year. I think that is wrong.

Did that explain my post well enough? That is only 4 assumptions that are, IMO, misguided, but you only posted 3 sentences.
 
#97
#97
cotton said:
They might not be radical, but I don't think they are right, either.

You assume that the NBA drafts on polish rather than potential. I think that is wrong.

You assume that Martin would somehow magically increase his draft potential in his senior season when 3 years on the Hill have caused it to fall. You assume this even though next year's draft class is projected to be much stronger than this year's. I think that is wrong.

You assume that because he was not drafted that he must go overseas or to the D league before getting a shot at the NBA. I think that is wrong.

You assume that going overseas or to DL would give him less of a chance to get into the NBA than playing in Knoxville next year. I think that is wrong.

Did that explain my post well enough? That is only 4 assumptions that are, IMO, misguided, but you only posted 3 sentences.
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OK Then explain why you are right?
 
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