Did Hopson set himself up for failure? (merged)

Who's more responsible?

  • Total voters
    0
#101
#101
JZVOL said:
Much easier to fix a guys mentality as an incoming freshman, than a rookie coming off his junior year.

If BP took a tough stance with him from the start it would have put the program and Scotty far better position at this point.

If I'm an NBA guy I'm not going to take years and cap space to try and convince a guy to "want it."
Click to expand...

This is pretty much spot on.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#105
#105
cotton said:
On what information is this judgement made?

Yes, it is a serious question.
Click to expand...

Seems to me that most people think he could have been a lot better while your acting like he reached his full potential or was NBA ready.
 
#107
#107
VolFanInHawaii said:
serious question bro? his work ethic was pathetic.
Click to expand...
Do we really know that or is it just the popular belief based on the body language we sometimes saw on the court? I always thought it was as much a personality issue as it was work ethic.
 
#108
#108
GBO18 said:
Seems to me that most people think he could have been a lot better while your acting like he reached his full potential or was NBA ready.
Click to expand...

I can't remember where I said that. Could you point it out please?

GAVol said:
Do we really know that or is it just the popular belief based on the body language we sometimes saw on the court? I always thought it was as much a personality issue as it was work ethic.
Click to expand...

Nah. Kid didn't get drafted. He must be lazy. Please ignore improvement in game.
 
#109
#109
A McDonald's All-American improving his game over three years is shocking. I wonder if the coaches even made him practice during those three years.
 
#110
#110
cotton said:
What? Is listing every assumption the guy made followed by, "I think this is wrong," really unclear?
Click to expand...

Yes. You are not saying why I'm wrong. Instead you are just pointing your nose up and saying im wrong. How?

These 3 years on the hill was from training by the same guy. A different mind is sometimes all it takes. Scotty has the most amount of work ahead of him to even get looked at. My point behind the draft next year is not if he will be drafted. It's him being better prepared next year. Conzo is viewed as a good coach how can you even say staying to learn from him wouldn't help his his overall game? While I assume what I assume you also assume what you're disputing. Grounds as a piss poor argument to say you're assumptions are wrong without explaining how they are wrong. Is that not clear enough for you or do I need a PowerPoint? Here's an analogy of what you are doing.
You: spell flower
5 year old kid: f-l-o-u-r
You: wrong.
... ...
See the issue?
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#112
#112
JZVOL said:
Another issue for Scotty is that he isn't exceptional at anything in particular. He's a good shooter but inconsistent at times, ball handling is well documented, not a great passer, not a great rebounder, effort on D is lacking at times...
Click to expand...

He's an exceptional athlete, but yeah, no exceptional skills.

Here's the thing with Scotty. He has NBA talent and body, but he's never going to be LeBron James. He's potentially an NBA guy...as a WORKMANLIKE player.

So Scotty doesn't necessarily need to be exceptional. But he needs to be utterly COMPETENT at everything.

Well, is he? Let's see.

Competent defender? No, not always, because of inconsistent effort. Competent ballhandler? Sometimes, very obviously not always. Competent shooter? Yeah, he probably showed that this year. Competent rebounder? No, he never rebounded much. Competent passer? Nope again.

Scotty wants to be a go-to dominant scorer in the NBA, and yet he needed to have developed himself into a competent all-around guy. JMO.
 
Last edited:
#113
#113
This is why I said back in April that we would soon learn whether Scotty was willing to work to get better if he chose to come back and play for Coach Zo. His decision proved to me that I was right about him - he wants the glory without the work, which is just what he proved over 3 years at UT. Glad he's gone, his minutes need to go to someone willing to work at all phases of their game. He can enjoy the sights overseas.

Tobias on the other hand deserved the draft position he got. If he stayed he might have moved 5-10 more spots. It was not worth the chance he would take as far as injuries. He will learn everything that Coach Zo could have taught him while getting paid for it. Good decision. He has more NBA upside anyway.
 
#114
#114
utvols88 said:
Yes. You are not saying why I'm wrong. Instead you are just pointing your nose up and saying im wrong. How?

These 3 years on the hill was from training by the same guy. A different mind is sometimes all it takes. Scotty has the most amount of work ahead of him to even get looked at. My point behind the draft next year is not if he will be drafted. It's him being better prepared next year. Conzo is viewed as a good coach how can you even say staying to learn from him wouldn't help his his overall game? While I assume what I assume you also assume what you're disputing. Grounds as a piss poor argument to say you're assumptions are wrong without explaining how they are wrong. Is that not clear enough for you or do I need a PowerPoint? Here's an analogy of what you are doing.
You: spell flower
5 year old kid: f-l-o-u-r
You: wrong.
... ...
See the issue?
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

Scotty was a worse basketball player but a better draft prospect 3 years ago than he is today. Scotty would be a better basketball player and the same draft prospect in a tougher draft next year had he stayed, with Martin, or Pearl, or Jesus. The attractive things about Scotty are his athleticism and raw talent. Returning to school does not improve either of those things, it simply wastes a year and puts him in a tougher job market.

Would you like to address any of the other three erroneous assumptions I mentioned?
 
#115
#115
cotton said:
Scotty was a worse basketball player but a better draft prospect 3 years ago than he is today. Scotty would be a better basketball player and the same draft prospect in a tougher draft next year had he stayed, with Martin, or Pearl, or Jesus. The attractive things about Scotty are his athleticism and raw talent. Returning to school does not improve either of those things, it simply wastes a year and puts him in a tougher job market.

Would you like to address any of the other three erroneous assumptions I mentioned?
Click to expand...

and yet you assume he wouldn't improve his game enough to matter and you assume it would be a tougher draft. If he improves his game then he enters the job market better qualified. My assumptions are not erroneous. You claiming they are is borderline retarded. His issues are lazy on the court body language, dribbling and shooting. Now what leads you to assume he couldn't improve that under CCM? Nothing but blind assumption. Erroneous? Please. Get off your high horse. Yours as clueless as anyone else in the matter and claiming otherwise is laughable.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#116
#116
Scotty Hopson, Tennessee — “He worked out for us and was just OK. His size, his length, his athleticism — it’s all good, but sometimes he floats like he doesn’t care.”
Click to expand...

Seth Davis, pre-draft
 
#117
#117
utvols88 said:
and yet you assume he wouldn't improve his game enough to matter and you assume it would be a tougher draft. If he improves his game then he enters the job market better qualified. My assumptions are not erroneous. You claiming they are is borderline retarded. His issues are lazy on the court body language, dribbling and shooting. Now what leads you to assume he couldn't improve that under CCM? Nothing but blind assumption. Erroneous? Please. Get off your high horse. Yours as clueless as anyone else in the matter and claiming otherwise is laughable.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

I"m telling you he can't improve his game in the areas that matter. You are simply arguing and calling names because I told you that you are wrong. That doesn't change the fact that you are wrong. This was Scotty's best chance to be drafted. It is his best chance to catch on in the league even though he wasn't. Failing that, he is better off playing in Europe next year, making money, and trying to get in through that door than returning to a mess of a UT program only to have the same problem next season.
 
#118
#118
cotton said:
I"m telling you he can't improve his game in the areas that matter. You are simply arguing and calling names because I told you that you are wrong. That doesn't change the fact that you are wrong. This was Scotty's best chance to be drafted. It is his best chance to catch on in the league even though he wasn't. Failing that, he is better off playing in Europe next year, making money, and trying to get in through that door than returning to a mess of a UT program only to have the same problem next season.
Click to expand...

This is the truth. Plus, he stopped going to classes about a month before the tournament, so there was no way he could come back.
 
#120
#120
cotton said:
I"m telling you he can't improve his game in the areas that matter. You are simply arguing and calling names because I told you that you are wrong. That doesn't change the fact that you are wrong. This was Scotty's best chance to be drafted. It is his best chance to catch on in the league even though he wasn't. Failing that, he is better off playing in Europe next year, making money, and trying to get in through that door than returning to a mess of a UT program only to have the same problem next season.
Click to expand...

I'm not disputing that this was his best chance to get drafted but not his best chance to make a roster. Derrick rose is laughing at your assumption that he can't get better in a year. See his shooting improvement from 3 pt range. Dribbling could be fixed in a year as well if he has the dedication. If he improves those areas then his chance at making an NBA team during camp exponentially increases. Those improvements will take work ethic so theres automatically an improvement in that. I wish him the best of luck however this is no ones fault but his own. Like I said, you are assuming as much as I am and have nothing to back up your claim of im wrong. You simply disagree with my assumptions. In fact you'll never prove me wrong and I'll never prove you wrong. So again mrs Cleo; get off the high horse. Thank you sir.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#124
#124
I didn't know he sat outside listening on the radio. He must of knew it wasn't going to happen. He is usually at least confident.
 
#125
#125
MY3*CANBEATUPUR5* said:
I didn't know he sat outside listening on the radio. He must of knew it wasn't going to happen. He is usually at least confident.
Click to expand...

It sounded like he was thinking first round and wasn't interested in being there for the second. Were players still coming up onstage in the mid-second round?
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top