"Difference is Unreal" Says Current Player

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TNV said:
CDD couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.
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But as bad as CDD was according to you he still easily beat CBJ so how bad must CBJ be to lose to such a terrible coach like CDD? And how many top 25 teams has CBJ beaten so far in his career (must be a long list if he is a proven winner like so many want to believe).
 
#77
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TGVol said:
I'm only thrashing CBJ in the context where people are comparing him to Dooley and thrashing Dooley (CDD is my all time favorite coach and I think he did an amazing job rebuilding our program even if the results could not come quickly enough to satisfy the hysterical and ultra emotional fan base).
But I do hope CBJ succeeds (I like the energy as it reminds me a little bit of Dooley's first year). I also hope/wish that CBJ has much better luck then Dooley (can't imagine anyone ever being that unlucky again).
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Yes, I do agree that at times, Dooley had horrible luck. However; in the whole scheme of things, he really can't coach.

(1) LSU - too many players on the field.

(2) UNC - referees cost us that game.

(3) Ky - Rajon Neal was in the wildcat, as the q.b. on the two yard line. I am quiet sure he was going to score on a q.b. sneak BUT Neal looked at the sidelines, the center snapped the ball and Neal did not see the ball coming and fumbled it. That T.D. would have given us the margin we needed to win the game.

(4) USC - Bray was hurt and Worley played with a limited offensive playbook given to him.

Those losses were just bad luck on Dooley's part. He can't help if the referee's blew the calls. He can't blame it that Neal fumbled the ball on the winning score attempt. It is not his fault that Bray was injured.


HOWEVER; The coaching in the Missouri game was horrible. With good coaching, we would have definately won that game.

He lost the support of his players and we lost the Vandy game. That is Dooley's fault. You can't lose your players.

He hired the WRONG Defensive Co ordinator and thus we lost the Florida game. That is Dooley's fault.
 
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daj2576 said:
Agree. That could be an issue, but I am not one who thinks that game is un-winnable. I have watched a lot of football in my life, and I can't think of a game of consequence where crowd noise was the deciding factor. I think you are going to see a different Oregon team than you have seen in recent years.
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Their cheerleaders are consequential
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TGVol said:
But as bad as CDD was according to you he still easily beat CBJ so how bad must CBJ be to lose to such a terrible coach like CDD? And how many top 25 teams has CBJ beaten so far in his career (must be a long list if he is a proven winner like so many want to believe).
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i dont know how many top 25 teams CBJ has beat, but i do know he has won his conference repeatedly. CDD's only memorable accomplishment was breaking our winning streak against Kentucky.
 
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Good news like this is picked up by kids looking at the Vols. If Butch can keep "walking the walk" then Tennessee Football is on the rise!!! Gotta' like what he has done so far!!!
 
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TGVol said:
But as bad as CDD was according to you he still easily beat CBJ so how bad must CBJ be to lose to such a terrible coach like CDD? And how many top 25 teams has CBJ beaten so far in his career (must be a long list if he is a proven winner like so many want to believe).
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Lame. If you really believe that statement, it is time to change your diaper.
 
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TGVol said:
Not at all - I could not be more serious. I don't only measure success in W-L and instead try to look at the full body of work (recruiting, running a clean program, mess that was here before CDD arrived and what the program looks like after he left, NCAA sanctions hanging in the air when he arrived, etc). CDD did everything right in my opinion with the exception of hiring Sunseri his last year. Wins did not come as quickly as people wanted but I believe nobody else would have done any better given the situation we were if after Kiffin left. So yes, I am proud to be CDD supporter all the way until the end and will always be grateful to him for how he conducted himself while he was here.
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Fair enough. How do you respond to what's came to light about CDD's relationships with former players, and his apparently rather poor relationships throughout the recruiting world?
 
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TGVol said:
I'm only thrashing CBJ in the context where people are comparing him to Dooley and thrashing Dooley (CDD is my all time favorite coach and I think he did an amazing job rebuilding our program even if the results could not come quickly enough to satisfy the hysterical and ultra emotional fan base).
But I do hope CBJ succeeds (I like the energy as it reminds me a little bit of Dooley's first year). I also hope/wish that CBJ has much better luck then Dooley (can't imagine anyone ever being that unlucky again).
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It just seems a little hypocritical that you are fighting the people who bash our previous coach by bashing our current coach, who is giving his all for Tennessee right now.

If I have followed your argument, in part, so far, you've stated that CBJ needs to prove himself with results, and you've inferred that his historical results have been less than stellar.

However, his historical results are far superior to the coach that you are defending. And while stating that he needs to prove it on the field, you're defending the coach whose results on the field were the worst in UT history.

In any event, it's the height of hypocrisy to call out the people thrashing CDD with the defense that he gave his all for UT, while thrashing our current coach, who is giving his all for UT. lol

It's possible to defend CDD while showing the same amount of loyalty to our current coach. It's not an either/or proposition.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Yes, I do agree that at times, Dooley had horrible luck. However; in the whole scheme of things, he really can't coach.

(1) LSU - too many players on the field.
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Things like this aren't good evidence for your point.

I agree he proved he couldn't get it done on gameday though.

(2) UNC - referees cost us that game.
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If it was close enough for them to do it... it was too close. UT had the better team considering the players UNC had lost.

(3) Ky - Rajon Neal was in the wildcat, as the q.b. on the two yard line. I am quiet sure he was going to score on a q.b. sneak BUT Neal looked at the sidelines, the center snapped the ball and Neal did not see the ball coming and fumbled it. That T.D. would have given us the margin we needed to win the game.
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Again. Outcoached. Joker Phillips as HC and Randy Sanders as OC... should never beat a UT team.

(4) USC - Bray was hurt and Worley played with a limited offensive playbook given to him.

Those losses were just bad luck on Dooley's part. He can't help if the referee's blew the calls. He can't blame it that Neal fumbled the ball on the winning score attempt. It is not his fault that Bray was injured.


HOWEVER; The coaching in the Missouri game was horrible. With good coaching, we would have definately won that game.

He lost the support of his players and we lost the Vandy game. That is Dooley's fault. You can't lose your players.

He hired the WRONG Defensive Co ordinator and thus we lost the Florida game. That is Dooley's fault.
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And this is the crux of the matter. Too many try to act like Dooley didn't serve a useful purpose or help the program. He did. Someone had to do the bleeding necessary to rebuild the foundation of the roster and restore order within the program. He's a good administrator and when he was trying a good recruiter.

But '12 was the year he had to prove his strategic decisions like going to the 3-4 and hiring Sunseri were correct. He had to prove he could take a talented team and beat someone. He just couldn't do it.

He then quit. He quit long before the season was over. If he didn't know he was cooked by the USCe game then he certainly knew it after Mizzou/Vandy. You see it all the time among "professionals" in the business world. Once they lose hope that they can save themselves... they stop pushing themselves or taking the risks needed to succeed. They quit knowing their future has already been decided.

It is stupid to continue to hate on Dooley. He tried. He failed. He's gone. There's nothing to hate the guy for in that.
 
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sjt18 said:
Things like this aren't good evidence for your point.

I agree he proved he couldn't get it done on gameday though.

If it was close enough for them to do it... it was too close. UT had the better team considering the players UNC had lost.

Again. Outcoached. Joker Phillips as HC and Randy Sanders as OC... should never beat a UT team.



And this is the crux of the matter. Too many try to act like Dooley didn't serve a useful purpose or help the program. He did. Someone had to do the bleeding necessary to rebuild the foundation of the roster and restore order within the program. He's a good administrator and when he was trying a good recruiter.

But '12 was the year he had to prove his strategic decisions like going to the 3-4 and hiring Sunseri were correct. He had to prove he could take a talented team and beat someone. He just couldn't do it.

He then quit. He quit long before the season was over. If he didn't know he was cooked by the USCe game then he certainly knew it after Mizzou/Vandy. You see it all the time among "professionals" in the business world. Once they lose hope that they can save themselves... they stop pushing themselves or taking the risks needed to succeed. They quit knowing their future has already been decided.

It is stupid to continue to hate on Dooley. He tried. He failed. He's gone. There's nothing to hate the guy for in that.
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Very good post. Thanks.
 
#92
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Ultimately, I believe that the post-mortem autopsy of Dooley's career will comclude quite simply, "Death caused by Sunseri syndrome," just as surely as the immediate cause of Fulmer's demise was "Clawson-induced cardiac failure."
 
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TGVol said:
Not at all - I could not be more serious. I don't only measure success in W-L and instead try to look at the full body of work (recruiting, running a clean program, mess that was here before CDD arrived and what the program looks like after he left, NCAA sanctions hanging in the air when he arrived, etc). CDD did everything right in my opinion with the exception of hiring Sunseri his last year. Wins did not come as quickly as people wanted but I believe nobody else would have done any better given the situation we were if after Kiffin left. So yes, I am proud to be CDD supporter all the way until the end and will always be grateful to him for how he conducted himself while he was here.
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Dude the reason he hired fat sal was no one would work for him... everyone in the coaching word knew he was terrible because of all the staff jumping ship...except for vols fans... the guy is a freaking loser as a head coach.
 
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92volalum said:
Dude the reason he hired fat sal was no one would work for him... everyone in the coaching word knew he was terrible because of all the staff jumping ship...except for vols fans... the guy is a freaking loser as a head coach.
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That's just not correct information.
The reason he hired Sal was because he and Hart felt Sal could bring the Alabama D to UT and he had great experience coaching all pro and all sec players. They were obviously wrong. Sometimes, the answer is simple and in no need of theatrics.
 
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TGVol said:
But as bad as CDD was according to you he still easily beat CBJ so how bad must CBJ be to lose to such a terrible coach like CDD?
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Do you actually remember the game? UT's athletic superiority won that game. UT was young and mid-pack talent wise compared to the SEC... but Jones had pretty much all 2* and 3* players.

And how many top 25 teams has CBJ beaten so far in his career (must be a long list if he is a proven winner like so many want to believe).
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I am a "wait and see" guy regardless of who the coach is.... but Jones has beaten good coaches head to head and has seldom had equal talent if ever.

He's beaten Strong and Beamer notably. But he gets his shot at UT now and will either succeed or we'll do this again in 2 or 3 years.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Ultimately, I believe that the post-mortem autopsy of Dooley's career will comclude quite simply, "Death caused by Sunseri syndrome," just as surely as the immediate cause of Fulmer's demise was "Clawson-induced cardiac failure."
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Clawson was a victim of Fulmer's mess... not the cause of it. Fulmer had screwed the program up long before Clawson arrived.
 
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You must have talent, heart, desire, chemistry, attitude, leadership and coaching. The 2013 VOLS have all these qualities now it seems. Expecting great things from this group. We have lacked at least one or more of these traits over the past 4 yrs and it shows especially in the second half of games. Could have been 8-10 more wins if all these traits were displayed.
Can't wait to see this group of young men compete together and bring UT back to the top where they belong!

GBO

:loco: :good!:

Tennesseeduke
 
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tennesseeduke said:
You must have talent, heart, desire, chemistry, attitude, leadership and coaching. The 2013 VOLS have all these qualities now it seems. Expecting great things from this group. We have lacked at least one or more of these traits over the past 4 yrs and it shows especially in the second half of games. Could have been 8-10 more wins if all these traits were displayed.
Can't wait to see this group of young men compete together and bring UT back to the top where they belong!

GBO

:loco: :good!:

Tennesseeduke[/QU

Rock on
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