Different camera angle on Pig Fumble. MUST SEE!

#276
#276
It's a fumble, forget it and move on to the USCe game. This is part of the "process" which CBJ speaks of. We're getting there.
 
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#277
When I saw the replay on tv yesterday I was pretty sure it was a fumble. Having seen the other angle and stared at that gif for way too long I'm convinced now it was a TD. In any case there's no indisputable evidence. Overturning that call on a night where we outplay #6 in front of 100,000 screaming fans debuting our awesome gray jerseys is bullsh!t! Not to mention the ref that made the TD call was in perfect position...

It's a heartbreaker, thankfully I've been numb since the UNC game
 
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#278
#278
I've watched both angles several times. At first, I thought it was a fumble, but to me, it appears that he may have had control for an instant as he broke the plane of the g/l. Anyone who claims it's an open and shut case that it was a fumble is just as blind as those who are claiming it was a certain TD.

But it doesn't matter. If we could scientifically prove it, we still lost, and GA still won. None of our opinions or videos mean anything because the ref said it was a fumble.

And there's no point in blaming the refs. They miss calls all game long, for and against both teams. It just so happened this controversial call came on the swing play of the entire game. We had plenty of opportunities prior to this to win and couldn't.
 
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#280
At the 2.6 second mark of this clip, there is clearly a shadowy figure on the grassy knoll and molten lava oozing from the 81st row of seats.
 
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Phil-A-Man Jaro said:
hmm. yeah hard to say on that one. Would be easier to see in motion though to see how the ball is moving with respect to his hand...if it is starting to come loose or not. I thought it was a fumble. Still do. But it was very very close.
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Watch the end zone camera footage. You'll see exactly when he lost control. Then go back to the sideline view and find the exact same point that it came free. You'll see it was AFTER breaking the plane. TD.
 
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BartW said:
When I saw the replay on tv yesterday I was pretty sure it was a fumble. Having seen the other angle and stared at that gif for way too long I'm convinced now it was a TD. In any case there's no indisputable evidence. Overturning that call on a night where we outplay #6 in front of 100,000 screaming fans debuting our awesome gray jerseys is bullsh!t! Not to mention the ref that made the TD call was in perfect position...

It's a heartbreaker, thankfully I've been numb since the UNC game
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I'm exactly the same. I thought it was the right call during the game. Decided to break it down online later and came to the same conclusion based on the evidence. You need to watch both camera angles and you'll see there is no other real conclusion. Pig made a phenominal play for a TD.

Just wish he would have been safer and took it with two hands b/c he would have probably made it anyway. Better than that he should have done a Michael Vick and held the ball out of bounds with right hand away from defender and reached inside pylon with other hand ... as long as the ball crosses the extended goal line it's a TD ... does not have to go inside pylon if a body part makes it. Refs would have probably blown that too tho. :banghead2:

I really don't fault the refs here. This is a difficult call. The only prob I have is that the replay booth quickly knee jerked with only the sideline view, and like most everyone it appears he lost control before the plane. We would have been up seven in OT if the replay booth does it's due diligence, provided it had the other angle.
 
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livefaith said:
Watch the end zone camera footage. You'll see exactly when he lost control. Then go back to the sideline view and find the exact same point that it came free. You'll see it was AFTER breaking the plane. TD.
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too bad the refs did not have the end zone view ...they may have gotten it right . Does not mean we woulda won ...but it woulda gave us a chance.
 
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American Pig said:
No, and your picture shows hand on ball at chalk with no separation. Touchdown. You must impose your imagination to pretend he lost possession. There is no video evidence of a separation of player and ball until after the plane is touched - much less indisputable evidence. I'm sorry you are so committed to your error, but Facts matter.
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You're right. If we were all unable to see anything that happened AFTER the plane was broken, then we would have a multiple burning mattress riot on our hands about now. Nothing after he broke the plane is relevant unless he lost control before. That cannot be indisputably proven, especially when you matche "frames" with the endzone view.
 
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majic73 said:
too bad the refs did not have the end zone view ...they may have gotten it right . Does not mean we woulda won ...but it woulda gave us a chance.
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A very good chance too. But most of all I would like to see CMR with another OT or two of that "I've seen a ghost" look he wore in the 2nd half. LOL.
 
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volinSmyrna said:
The ball is clearly moving before he gets to the goalline. That is the main thing that replay looks at in determining fumbles/loss of control....where does it start to move? It is no different than a RB in a pile and somebody clubs the ball out. There is a brief time that the RB is still in contact with the ball, but doesn't have "CONTROL" because it is moving and on the way out....still a fumble.

I'm not making excuses...it was the right call. I wish like heck that it wouldn't have been overturned. My stomach wouldn't have been in such knot the last 24 hours.
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I was at the game and saw the replay footage on the jumbotron. I went on the record here earlier saying it was a fumble.

After looking at the other videos, I take that back. The replays I saw made it look like the ball was rolling out of his hands prior to the reaching the goal line. On closer examination, he has a grip on the nose of the football, and he rotated his wrist clockwise, taking the ball with it.

I think that was a touchdown. A tough call for the officials...I'm a little surprised it was overturned since it was ruled a score on the field. Not sure which camera angles they had to work with.
 
#288
#288
the pic of pig with his hand on the ball across the edge of the goal line proves that it wasn't a td. he was obviously losing control of the ball at that point. I challenge any of you to have someone take a picture of you holding the football parallel to the ground with the same "grip" he had on the ball. fumble

BUT I will give UGA fans a hard time by telling them they were lucky, and they were, that they won. I had nightmares of this fumble last night and I still cant get over it more than a full day later. GO VOLS!

P.S. HEY BUTCH..NEVER PUNT AGAIN :rock:
 
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98peerless said:
the pic of pig with his hand on the ball across the edge of the goal line proves that it wasn't a td. he was obviously losing control of the ball at that point. I challenge any of you to have someone take a picture of you holding the football parallel to the ground with the same "grip" he had on the ball. fumble

BUT I will give UGA fans a hard time by telling them they were lucky, and they were, that they won. I had nightmares of this fumble last night and I still cant get over it more than a full day later. GO VOLS!

P.S. HEY BUTCH..NEVER PUNT AGAIN :rock:
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if you watch the OPs endzone video ..Pig had an absolute grip on the ball until the 8th second. Between the 8-9 second mark he was losing his grip ..this was when his right side was about to hit the pylon. This was also when the GA players impact stopped pigs forward momentum and shifted him to the right . This was the cause of his grip failing. When you match up impact with the original sideline view ..at the time of the impact with the GA player ...the ball was halfway over the goal line
 
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#291
from this angle, its hard to tell exactly when the ball broke the plane. I have watched the replay of the CBS telecast a million times it seems, and I think that the nose was on line with the first blades of white grass, but it wasn't indisputable. My glasses are orange, but I think the call was right in the end..unfortunately.
 
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Vols520 said:
He didn't have possession of the ball. End of story.

You guys are just wrong.
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Whatever makes ya feel better about getting hosed. The ball is in his left hand as he is reaching for the goal line.The call on the field was right, the replay booth blew it. Either way there is not enough proof to overturn the call however it was called on the field!
 
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#294
It the same thing had happened to give UGA a tying score as time expired in regulation it would've been a td. Until the Vols become a money maker for the SEC again we're going to get pooped on in these situations. Fans of teams that are perpetually at the bottom understand that you have to beat the refs and your opponent when you are in this situation.
 
#295
#295
Did he have control? Probably not
Is is disputable? Yes, we are still disputing it.
Should it have been overturned? No, it should have stood with what was called on the field (either way).
 
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#296
There's like 20 people arguing that it was a TD, everyone else, the coaches, analysts, moderators, national sports programs, local media, national media, the players, and everyone else not blinded by their homerism, and even some that are have said "IT WAS A FUMBLE"

If you're still arguing something that everyone else, including the players, coaches and everyone else agrees was the correct call, and you don't think you're slightly biased, then there's nothing anyone can say or do that will convince you. It's all a conspiracy theory from the aliens.....
 
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DC_Vol said:
I was at the game and saw the replay footage on the jumbotron. I went on the record here earlier saying it was a fumble.

After looking at the other videos, I take that back. The replays I saw made it look like the ball was rolling out of his hands prior to the reaching the goal line. On closer examination, he has a grip on the nose of the football, and he rotated his wrist clockwise, taking the ball with it.

I think that was a touchdown. A tough call for the officials...I'm a little surprised it was overturned since it was ruled a score on the field. Not sure which camera angles they had to work with.
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What I see is Pig moving the ball to his left hand and 'controlling' the extension of the nose of the ball to the goal line. The instant the nose of the ball broke the goal line it's a TD in my book.
 
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