Different camera angle on Pig Fumble. MUST SEE!

[InVOLuntary]

The mods should ban the people who think it was a td.

Lol at using still shots and grainy gifs as evidence.

Same grainy gifs you use to justify it is a fumble. Lol people who think it was a fumble should be banished to a candy board. See how that works?

 

[VOLorNuttin]

U are right. The 52 people who think it wasn't a fumble can stay. But only in this thread so you can be morons together.

I hope u all never make fun of another fan base. It's embarrassing.

Who is the moron, here? You got both the video AND the still images CLEARLY showing his left hand cupping the ball from the end to extend it as far as possible. The ball neither drops nor rotates until it has clearly gone across the plane. His right hand coming off the ball does NOT = loss of control. The evidence stuck up your nose here, dictates otherwise...idiot.

 

[DazzleVol]

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[DazzleVol]

Who is the moron, here? You got both the video AND the still images CLEARLY showing his left hand cupping the ball from the end to extend it as far as possible. The ball neither drops nor rotates until it has clearly gone across the plane. His right hand coming off the ball does NOT = loss of control. The evidence stuck up your nose here, dictates otherwise...idiot.

Third pic down.. looks like fingertips only, not cupping it.. plus you mention "cupping the end like you were pointing it" .. the ball is not being **touched** on the end.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Cupping it from the end DOES, idiot! You've never seen players in pre-game clips point the ball at the camera? They cup the ball from the end, you inbred SOB.

Yes, standing still and in a very controlled manner with clearly a much firmer grip.

Not so much going full speed in real time with the ball not even close to as in their grip as your example.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

He was not cupping the ball by the end when it crossed the goal line. He simply had a few finger tips on it. He was touching it, but he did not have possession. The ball was clearly moving independent of his hand around the half yard point.

The images shown here doesn't give an ounce of credence to your ridiculous argument. When the ball BREAKS THE PLANE....just like you broke your sister's chastity...he is not simply touching it with a few fingers. He has control. Only time that changes is well after it broke the plane. Period. The video/images don't lie.

 

[majic73]

That's a picture of someone who thought their right hand was still on the ball. You're argueing things that the player himself is saying didnt happen. Things the coach himself are saying didnt happen.

It didn't happen that way. Yes, if you look at the view from that side it looks like he still has it, however, we know he doesn't. Because in the first view everyone with a brain knows it's coming out.

I promise you, had it not been so obvious we would join you in your crusade. And CBJ would have said "it looked like he was in to me, but replay saw it differently, we'll just move on"

But he didn't, because he can't. It was a fumble, 100% a fumble. I love your passion, but it is being totally misplaced. You're coming off looking like a fool, and the harder you argue, the more of a fool you seem.

My son is fast, and wants to think he is faster than his ole pops was in my playing days. So, he argued that his 40 yard dash was longer than my 40 yard dash because 40 yards is longer now than it was in my day. That's what he believed, and he argued it for days, it didn't matter that everyone laughed at him and told him he was wrong. He had convinced himself he was right.

You and him have a lot in common

The player is probably one of the worst witnesses . The events took place in mere fractions of a second. No way he had a conscious thought that could lend itself to analysis.
This is obvious if you follow these very simple steps:

A ) look at the stills that show Pig with the ball clutched in his left hand . Note the ball breaking the plain . Not the position of the defender in the stills

B ) watch the endzone video . You will see Pigs left hand clutched the ball. The ball moved and rotated in conjunction with the movements of his left hand. There was no bobbling or indication of loss of control. He had a grip on the nose of the ball.
Find the defender in the same position as in step A. This is the point that the ball was over the plain.

C ) note in the video the point that control was lost . Pigs hand opened and the ball fell almost straight down . There was no bobble or loss of control ..he simply dropped the ball . This occurred as the defenders impact caused Pigs body to move right and into the pylon . I would estimate 1/2 to 1 second before his right side impacted the pylon.

D ) review the rules of football . In order to overturn a ruling on the field there must be conclusive evidence . There is not conclusive evidence . Disregard the 1st network sideline video . An illusion of the ball floating away from his hand is created in this video . This is the footage that all of the onlookers and officials based their opinions on at the time. We now know from the other footage that this was an illusion . There was no floating or loss of control.

If you follow these steps you should conclude : Pig had the nose of the ball gripped with his left hand. The ball broke the goal line while gripped in his left hand. There was no bobble or loss of control and his grip remained on the nose of the ball until he released his grip a split second before his right side hit the pylon.

These facts can be disputed to the point of how solid his grip was , did he mean to release the ball when he did , but you cannot find conclusive evidence in this end zone footage using the stills as reference points that he was fumbling the ball before it crossed the goalline. This new information will show you nothing except that he had a grip on the nose of the ball , the grip was a solid grip that demonstrates control , the ball traveling the same direction as the gripping hand demonstrating control , and from all the info you should be able to extrapolate , that the aforementioned state of 'control' did not change until the ball was well over the goalline.

Dont be lambs my friends ...review the info on your own and draw your own conclusions

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Who is the moron, here? You got both the video AND the still images CLEARLY showing his left hand cupping the ball from the end to extend it as far as possible. The ball neither drops nor rotates until it has clearly gone across the plane. His right hand coming off the ball does NOT = loss of control. The evidence stuck up your nose here, dictates otherwise...idiot.

All those pics, in that order, to me, clearly shows by the last picture Howard is already in the process of losing the ball. He clearly (again to me) clearly does not have a firm grip on the ball before it hits the goal line.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

The images shown here doesn't give an ounce of credence to your ridiculous argument. When the ball BREAKS THE PLANE....just like you broke your sister's chastity...he is not simply touching it with a few fingers. He has control. Only time that changes is well after it broke the plane. Period. The video/images don't lie.

Where's the guy who was complaining about personal attacks?

 

[Eugene Hetalia]

He was not cupping the ball by the end when it crossed the goal line. He simply had a few finger tips on it. He was touching it, but he did not have possession. The ball was clearly moving independent of his hand around the half yard point.

 

[NMVol]

Where's the guy who was complaining about personal attacks?

I am here. I don't see the problem. From what I can tell VolorNuttin's observations about bamawriter are all fact based.

 

[DazzleVol]

All those pics, in that order, to me, clearly shows by the last picture Howard is already in the process of losing the ball. He clearly (again to me) clearly does not have a firm grip on the ball before it hits the goal line.

Third pic is fingertips only.. its coming out at pic 2 and 3.. touching only by pic 4 and touching isn't possession

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Yes, standing still and in a very controlled manner with clearly a much firmer grip.

Not so much going full speed in real time with the ball not even close to as in their grip as your example.

They don't wear those gloves for looks.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TS5P5s3v_c[/youtube]

So, you're saying that the same gloves that help you catch 55mph fastballs (passes) can't help you hold onto the ball if you cup it from the end of one hand? :loco:

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I am here. I don't see the problem. From what I can tell VolorNuttin's observations about bamawriter are all fact based.

Noted

 

[VolsSportsFan]

They don't wear those gloves for looks.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TS5P5s3v_c[/youtube]

So, you're saying that the same gloves that help you catch 55mph fastballs (passes) can't help you hold onto the ball if you cup it from the end of one hand? :loco:

What you keep ignoring or not seeing that I'm seeing is, he clearly doesn't have the grip you keep comparing it to in those pics. He clearly doesn't have the same firm grip you keep acting like he does.

 

[bamawriter]

The images shown here doesn't give an ounce of credence to your ridiculous argument. When the ball BREAKS THE PLANE....just like you broke your sister's chastity...he is not simply touching it with a few fingers. He has control. Only time that changes is well after it broke the plane. Period. The video/images don't lie.

Your grainy still images, where you can't even see a single defined finger, are incredibly compelling and unasailable evidence.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Where's the guy who was complaining about personal attacks?

Kudos to you today. While you're making your case you're not trying to belittle opposing views. :hi:

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Kudos to you today. While you're making your case you're not trying to belittle opposing views. :hi:

Cram it you idiot

 

[InVOLuntary]

Lol.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Wrong gif. You mean NOT LOOKING....NOT LOOKING

 

[Alto1]

The player is probably one of the worst witnesses . The events took place in mere fractions of a second. No way he had a conscious thought that could lend itself to analysis.
This is obvious if you follow these very simple steps:

A ) look at the stills that show Pig with the ball clutched in his left hand . Note the ball breaking the plain . Not the position of the defender in the stills

B ) watch the endzone video . You will see Pigs left hand clutched the ball. The ball moved and rotated in conjunction with the movements of his left hand. There was no bobbling or indication of loss of control. He had a grip on the nose of the ball.
Find the defender in the same position as in step A. This is the point that the ball was over the plain.

C ) note in the video the point that control was lost . Pigs hand opened and the ball fell almost straight down . There was no bobble or loss of control ..he simply dropped the ball . This occurred as the defenders impact caused Pigs body to move right and into the pylon . I would estimate 1/2 to 1 second before his right side impacted the pylon.

D ) review the rules of football . In order to overturn a ruling on the field there must be conclusive evidence . There is not conclusive evidence . Disregard the 1st network sideline video . An illusion of the ball floating away from his hand is created in this video . This is the footage that all of the onlookers and officials based their opinions on at the time. We now know from the other footage that this was an illusion . There was no floating or loss of control.

If you follow these steps you should conclude : Pig had the nose of the ball gripped with his left hand. The ball broke the goal line while gripped in his left hand. There was no bobble or loss of control and his grip remained on the nose of the ball until he released his grip a split second before his right side hit the pylon.

These facts can be disputed to the point of how solid his grip was , did he mean to release the ball when he did , but you cannot find conclusive evidence in this end zone footage using the stills as reference points that he was fumbling the ball before it crossed the goalline. This new information will show you nothing except that he had a grip on the nose of the ball , the grip was a solid grip that demonstrates control , the ball traveling the same direction as the gripping hand demonstrating control , and from all the info you should be able to extrapolate , that the aforementioned state of 'control' did not change until the ball was well over the goalline.

Dont be lambs my friends ...review the info on your own and draw your own conclusions

Another well stated post!! Really liked the part about the lambs....... A lot of them around, in high and low places........... :thumbsup:

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Your grainy still images, where you can't even see a single defined finger, are incredibly compelling and unasailable evidence.

Oh...I see. So, when the visual evidence is compelling, you backpedal with the grainy image angle. :crazy:

It's not HD enough, so it's not conclusive. So, that would in turn, mean the on the field call should never have been overturned. Cause the images were too....wait for it.....wait for it.....too grainy!

 

[VolsSportsFan]

The player is probably one of the worst witnesses . The events took place in mere fractions of a second. No way he had a conscious thought that could lend itself to analysis.
This is obvious if you follow these very simple steps:

A ) look at the stills that show Pig with the ball clutched in his left hand . Note the ball breaking the plain . Not the position of the defender in the stills

B ) watch the endzone video . You will see Pigs left hand clutched the ball. The ball moved and rotated in conjunction with the movements of his left hand. There was no bobbling or indication of loss of control. He had a grip on the nose of the ball.
Find the defender in the same position as in step A. This is the point that the ball was over the plain.

C ) note in the video the point that control was lost . Pigs hand opened and the ball fell almost straight down . There was no bobble or loss of control ..he simply dropped the ball . This occurred as the defenders impact caused Pigs body to move right and into the pylon . I would estimate 1/2 to 1 second before his right side impacted the pylon.

D ) review the rules of football . In order to overturn a ruling on the field there must be conclusive evidence . There is not conclusive evidence . Disregard the 1st network sideline video . An illusion of the ball floating away from his hand is created in this video . This is the footage that all of the onlookers and officials based their opinions on at the time. We now know from the other footage that this was an illusion . There was no floating or loss of control.

If you follow these steps you should conclude : Pig had the nose of the ball gripped with his left hand. The ball broke the goal line while gripped in his left hand. There was no bobble or loss of control and his grip remained on the nose of the ball until he released his grip a split second before his right side hit the pylon.

These facts can be disputed to the point of how solid his grip was , did he mean to release the ball when he did , but you cannot find conclusive evidence in this end zone footage using the stills as reference points that he was fumbling the ball before it crossed the goalline. This new information will show you nothing except that he had a grip on the nose of the ball , the grip was a solid grip that demonstrates control , the ball traveling the same direction as the gripping hand demonstrating control , and from all the info you should be able to extrapolate , that the aforementioned state of 'control' did not change until the ball was well over the goalline.

Dont be lambs my friends...review the info on your own and draw your own conclusions

That's funny.....saying that after you tell everyone exactly what they should see after looking at it.

 

[bamawriter]

Another well stated post!! Really liked the part about the lambs....... A lot of them around, in high and low places........... :thumbsup:

Everyone on UT's coaching staff, every player on the team, the CBS broadcast team, the CBS postgame coverage team, ESPN's multiple CFB coverage teams, FS1's CFB coverage team, UT's radio team, UT's sports information department, every member of the national media, every member of the local media, every well-known sports blogger, and 70% of the posters on VN = ALL SHEEP! SHEEP I TELL YOU!

 

[bamawriter]

Oh...I see. So, when the visual evidence is compelling, you backpedal with the grainy image angle. :crazy:

It's not HD enough, so it's not conclusive. So, that would in turn, mean the on the field call should never have been overturned. Cause the images were too....wait for it.....wait for it.....too grainy!

Actually, the review official has HD up in the booth at all SEC stadiums.