Different camera angle on Pig Fumble. MUST SEE!

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#552
NMVol said:
bamawriter:



Spoken like a true bama fan! Complete joke, trolls a thread for hundreds of posts and hasn't even watched the different angle that is posted on Facebook. Talk about loss of credibility.
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I'm sure that it won't matter, but:

A head-on view from the back line doesn't show you when the ball crosses the goal line.
 
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Bryan1 said:
That's because I know what I saw, unlike some sheep just following the herd.
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That's right, everyone else is a sheep. You are so much wiser than everyone else, including those whose job it is to determine such things. Though not a single professional at any level has commented on this particular call, some dude on a Tennessee message board has it all figured out.
 
#554
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bamawriter said:
I'm sure that it won't matter, but:

A head-on view from the back line doesn't show you when the ball crosses the goal line.
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It can be correlated to other views and that's what many have done. You found what you think is a reason to hang your hat on. But its increasingly apparent that you really have nothing substantive to contribute. Talk about air.
 
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NMVol said:
It can be correlated to other views and that's what many have done. You found what you think is a reason to hang your hat on. But its increasingly apparent that you really have nothing substantive to contribute. Talk about air.
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I guess I "hung my hat" on reality. I'm okay with that.
 
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bamawriter said:
I guess I "hung my hat" on reality. I'm okay with that.
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Reality. Like the ref that called the TD? Though the point made earlier that its an academic question now holds. You get sound bite credit but are failing on the epistemological front.
 
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Bryan1 said:
You still haven't shown me proof, or conclusive evidence of why that call on the field should have been overturned.
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He was losing the ball as soon as he dove & extended his arms. It's pretty clear he lost it before he hit the pylon.
 
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Bryan1 said:
You still haven't shown me proof, or conclusive evidence of why that call on the field should have been overturned.
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Nothing short of God himself telling you it was a fumble will convince you. And I'm not totally sure you wouldn't at least argue woth Him.
 
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NMVol said:
Reality. Like the ref that called the TD? Though the point made earlier that its an academic question now holds. You get sound bite credit but are failing on the epistemological front.
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bamawriter said:
Hypothetically, who is more likely to get a call correct:

The official on the field who is having to watch action happening very quickly, in real time, with only one vantage point?

OR

The replay official, who has the benefit of multiple cameras and slo-mo?
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Same question to you.
 
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govols/cc said:
Every gif, video, replay or whatever clearly shows it.
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This is kind of like the notion that bamawriter floated earlier that every player has admitted that it was a fumble. Guess it would support your position if it were true.
 
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bamawriter said:
Same question to you.
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And just for the record, I have never once argued that the ball didn't come out. My argument is that he had possession of the ball in his left hand, and it came out after it broke the plane. The people that keep saying it was clearly a fumble have shown no proof of when and where that ball came out. He switches hands with the ball in one motion reaching for the goal line.
 
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bamawriter said:
Howard's own words were already posted. If that doesn't convince you, then nothing that I can post will ever make any difference.
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I read earlier what was posted that he said. What is funny about what he said , he said he lost the ball when bracing for the contact. He never said anything about it being before or after the ball breaks the plane of the goal line, and he probably never will.
 
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NMVol said:
Reality. Like the ref that called the TD? Though the point made earlier that its an academic question now holds. You get sound bite credit but are failing on the epistemological front.
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The ones that some of you use to try & say it was a a td still show it was clearly a fumble. Whenever any fumble is reviewed they don't look to see if the guy is touching the ball when his knee is down or he crosses the plane they look at when you first start to lose control. It was clear as day that pig was losing the ball as soon as he dove & extended. It's not like he hit the ground & it came loose from his hand.
 
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NMVol said:
This is kind of like the notion that bamawriter floated earlier that every player has admitted that it was a fumble. Guess it would support your position if it were true.
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that is a fair point. I should have said every player who has been asked about it.
 
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Bryan1 said:
And just for the record, I have never once argued that the ball didn't come out. My argument is that he had possession of the ball in his left hand, and it came out after it broke the plane. The people that keep saying it was clearly a fumble have shown no proof of when and where that ball came out. He switches hands with the ball in one motion reaching for the goal line.
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Your proof is our proof.
 
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govols/cc said:
He was losing the ball as soon as he dove & extended his arms. It's pretty clear he lost it before he hit the pylon.
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this is not true . If you watch the endzone footage ..it is cleear that he had 5 digits on the ball . This is not disputable . The ball moved with the motion of his hand and arm . There was no separation at any point that can be seen in this video . This is indisputable. At the 7-8 second mark of the video , Pig released all 5 digits from the ball and the ball dropped from his grasp . This too is an objective observation . At the time this occurred , the ball was over the goaline. This can be gained by watching the original sideline footage and tracking the landmarks in sync with this endzone footage

I think the biggest point of what I just told you was that at the time his 5 digits moved away from the ball ...the ball fell. A reasonable person can surmise that his fingers were in fact supporting the ball .
 
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govols/cc said:
The ones that some of you use to try & say it was a a td still show it was clearly a fumble. Whenever any fumble is reviewed they don't look to see if the guy is touching the ball when his knee is down or he crosses the plane they look at when you first start to lose control. It was clear as day that pig was losing the ball as soon as he dove & extended. It's not like he hit the ground & it came loose from his hand.
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No, the video in the opening post shows him switching hands extending the ball getting hit and then dropping it.

The evidence shows him holding the end of the ball which is immanently possible with the gloves that are now standard equipment for receivers. There are multiple still images showing this grip and the CBS footage shows the grip as well. The ball coming loose does not happen until after the ball hits the plane of the goal line.

At this point it is academic. The team has to move on. But these factors of the evidence are not imagined. They probably are subject to question but they are not outright clear evidence of a fumble, and irrefutable or indisputable evidence which of course is the replay standard. This entire thread has examined the points in detail. I suppose it is unrealistic to point out the details to every drop in that has a need to declare that Pig lost control prior to hitting the plane.
 
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