Different camera angle on Pig Fumble. MUST SEE!

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PeytonBerry said:
I don't mean to dwell on the past, but they showed the fumble from a different view on the local channel. During the broadcast, the side angle made it look like he never had control with his left hand, but in this video he clearly did. And from my vantage point, he maintained control until the very moment the ball separated from his finger tips.

This is the very reason why video evidence must be INDISPUTABLE. After seeing this video and going back to the side angle, I am more convinced that the evidence was NOT indisputable. If there is any shred of doubt, the call stands.

With all that said, I couldn't be more proud of our guys, and honestly, the biggest win today came on the recruiting front, and my best guess is we won BIG. GO VOLS!!!

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I wish he had scored as much as anyone,BUT one can not look only at the angle you want. The head on shot can not show that the ball was already out of PIG's left hand before he crossed the goal line. If the ball had gone out of bounds before it crossed the goal line, Tennessee would have retained possession where it went out of bounds. rules are rules. We play the game by those rules.
 
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truevol8 said:
Referee signaled a TD first and then it was looked at, first call was a TD and there was not 100% proof it wasn't a TD. In my opinion it was a fumble but the call was a TD and didn't have enough to overturn it but they did.
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Yeah, that's my view. I think he broke the plane before it came out, but either way there was not enough proof to overturn the call made on the field.
 
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VolsRule said:
ut should protest the game and send the tape to the SEC office.
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And would get laughed at if they did because its obvious to the people who aren't emotionally invested (and even 2/3 of us who are) that it was clearly out.

Like I said the first replay they showed instantly broke my heart cause it was clear what had just happened. And the ensuing 100+ times I've seen haven't really changed anything.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Exactly, its unfortunate but it definitely was a fumble. What irks me is all the pass interference calls on that last drive. Especially one against Sutton, aweful call.
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Yeah... There were at least a half dozen bad calls that screwed UT, unfortunately the fumble wasn't one of them.
 
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Yes it was clearly out, after it broke the plane. The call on the field should have stood.
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
If you watch, he loses the ball with his right hand, and you can tell its unintentional because his right hand continues moving towards his left.

Sometimes crap happens, it was 100% a fumble, he wasn't trying to switch it to just 1 hand, the ball just comes out.

Had he been just switching hands, his hand would not keep traveling towards his left hand. He had force on the ball with both hands, when he starts to lose it, that applied force from his right hand is reapplied in the motion you see. Once his right hand force was gone, the ball trajectory changes and starts coming out.

His fingers are still touching the ball when it crosses the goal line, but control has already been lost
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Watch the video from the original post and tell me he never had any control in his left hand.
 
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simple ...pause this video at the 7-8 second mark . Pig has possession . Note the location of the defender ..1 knee down and both hands in contact with Pigs back.
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go back and watch the network sideline footage . Note the defender with both hands on pigs back and 1 knee down . At this point ball if halfway over the endzone
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back to the video the OP provided . Pig losses possession as his body comes in contact with the pylon..almost simultaneous ....at which point we know that the ball was 100% in the endzone .
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too bad the refs didnt have this footage at the time
 
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i know this has been beat to death but, it looks like for millionth of a sec he has control and breaks the plane me, to tell they should have done still frames, frame by frame, to get it right td or not.
 
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Amazing how many of you people don't understand the rules of touchdown or possession.

Can someone demonstrate indisputable evidence Pig lost possession of the ball before the touching the plane. By what criteria are you making this claim? Were his fingers and thumb separated from ball before touching the plane? NO! Was the ball flying in the air? NO!

Pig delivers the ball in hand to the plane and drops it. TOUCHDOWN! There is ZERO basis in evidence to claim he released BEFORE the ball touches the plane - much less indisputable evidence.

American Pig said:
That's a touchdown people. Overturning that score is an outrage.

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American Pig said:
Amazing how many of you people don't understand the rules of touchdown or possession.

Can someone demonstrate indisputable evidence Pig lost possession of the ball before the touching the plane. By what criteria are you making this claim? Were his fingers and thumb separated from ball before touching the plane? NO! Was the ball flying in the air? NO!
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Amazing how you can't even format a post correctly.
 
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American Pig, you're wrong. I'm sorry, restating the same thing over and over does not make you right. In fact, it makes you look crazy.

The coach said it was a fumble, the analysts said it was a fumble, the mods said it was a fumble, every analyst watching the game and tweeting about it called it a fumble, essentially anyone who knows anything about the game of football has called it a fumble, including the review booth that determined with 100% assurity that it was a fumble...but, you, being completely unbiased and non-homerish are calling it not a fumble. And you really don't see the problem there?
 
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hmm. yeah hard to say on that one. Would be easier to see in motion though to see how the ball is moving with respect to his hand...if it is starting to come loose or not. I thought it was a fumble. Still do. But it was very very close.
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
American Pig, you're wrong. I'm sorry, restating the same thing over and over does not make you right. In fact, it makes you look crazy.

The coach said it was a fumble, the analysts said it was a fumble, the mods said it was a fumble, every analyst watching the game and tweeting about it called it a fumble, essentially anyone who knows anything about the game of football has called it a fumble, including the review booth that determined with 100% assurity that it was a fumble...but, you, being completely unbiased and non-homerish are calling it not a fumble. And you really don't see the problem there?
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Let him enjoy the island he's created. Apparently everyone else is crazy but him.
 
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govols105 said:
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i know this has been beat to death but, it looks like for millionth of a sec he has control and breaks the plane me, to tell they should have done still frames, frame by frame, to get it right td or not.
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If you're getting into millionths of a second then you're going to start nitpicking things like what a catch is.

For the majority of us, it's clear he has already begun to lose possession before it broke the goal line.
 
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The only thing I hoped for was that the original call would keep them from overturning it. I didn't see where it was seperated from his fingers but it did look like simultaneous.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Amazing how you can't even format a post correctly.
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American Pig said:
That's a touchdown people. Overturning that score is an outrage.

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Are you still sore about being proven dead wrong and unable to defend your posturing VolSportsFan?

Explain exactly what basis in indisputable evidence exists that Pig lost possession BEFORE the plane.

Explain how fingers and thumb on ball at plane = indisputable proof of lost possession.
 
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