Discussion of gay rights, religion, abortion...oh yeah, and Pete Rose

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OrangeEmpire said:
Right, and your brat and potatoes had nothing to do with it?

This is a great one for men, no responsibility with childbirth or taking care of the mother during pregnancy!

I am going to go home and slap my wife!
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Stop hatin' OE. We're just tryin' to get a little consequence free TnA up in this biatch.
 
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Volingatorland said:
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that, regardless of my feelings or influence, a woman will ultimately do what she chooses and while my opinion may influence that decision, it is entirely hers. I'm not promoting machismo or anything like that, just stating what I view as reality. I can't physically make a womans decision.
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chris brown would make the decision
 
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#278
Maybe the woman in the above story should hire Brian Butler. The kid would be born before she ever made the choice.
 
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Volingatorland said:
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that, regardless of my feelings or influence, a woman will ultimately do what she chooses and while my opinion may influence that decision, it is entirely hers. I'm not promoting machismo or anything like that, just stating what I view as reality. I can't physically make a womans decision.
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Why is that her right?
 
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Volingatorland said:
It's not her right. It's science. You can't literally make a decision for someone. In the end the individual makes up their own mind.
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Did it not take two people to create the baby? It's not an individual act to create so why is it an individual choice to terminate?
 
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tnvolsfan85 said:
I said to me, personally, that it becomes a living being at conception.
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I'm not ridiculing. But this sounds like you believe life begins at conception "just because", with no real justification other than it is your personal view.
 
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#283
I really thought the parasite thingy would get further!

Oh well, a fetus cannot be a parasite because a parasite is an organism of one species (a heterospecific relationship) living in or on an organism of another speciesderiving its nourishment from the host.

A human embryo or fetus is an organism of one species (Homo sapiens) living in the uterine cavity of an organism of the same species (Homo sapiens) and deriving its nourishment from the mother (is metabolically dependent on the mother). This homospecific relationship is an obligatory dependent relationship, but not a parasitic relationship.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
oh i'm the same way trust me. i use to be that guy, then when i went to college i quit goin to church all together but was still hanging out w/ my best friends jack and jim. to be honest i haven't been to church on a reg. basis in 7 and a half yrs. this past year God was trying to tell me something, i mean he wouldn't leave me alone about it. i doubted my salvation, i started going to church and the whole time i was there he would be tugging on me, it drove me completely insane. over christmas holiday i went home, and my best friends dad is a minister. ended up talking to him one nite when i went over to hang out w/ my friend. funny how God works. we were down stairs, me, my best friend, and his dad watching a movie, and my friend went upstairs to get a drink. God started tugging on me to go and talk to his dad. I sat there for what seemed like eternity and didn't do it, but it was like 10 mins then i finally said ok, i'll do it. talk to his dad got everything straightened out, and now i'm currently looking for a church, and i think i've found one that i like. been trying to do a bible study every nite, and i pray several times thru out the day.
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Good for you, that's more than I do.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Why is that her right?
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i must admit reproductive rights in this country definetly give men the middle finger. a women can abort your kid without your say even if you are married to her, yet she can lie to you and intentionally get pregnant and milk you for 18 years of child support whether you want the kid or not. she can also lie and tell you you are the father and the law says that you owe child support even if it isn't your kid as long as you thought it was and were paying support for a couple of years.
 
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rjd970 said:
I'm not ridiculing. But this sounds like you believe life begins at conception "just because", with no real justification other than it is your personal view.
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Look I had to do a lot of research when I was in high school for a school project. One article I found gave the steps as to what happens week by week and month by month.
 
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ridethelightening said:
Good for you, that's more than I do.
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trust me i'm still struggling. just trying to develop my personal relationship w/ God. key word is try in the other post, doesn't mean it happens everyday. the praying does, even if its a short prayer, but the bible study i don't do as well with.
 
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droski said:
i must admit reproductive rights in this country definetly give men the middle finger. a women can abort your kid without your say even if you are married to her, yet she can lie to you and intentionally get pregnant and milk you for 18 years of child support whether you want the kid or not. she can also lie and tell you you are the father and the law says that you owe child support even if it isn't your kid as long as you thought it was and were paying support for a couple of years.
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Who would have ever thought Droski would come to OE's defense!

I must be doing something wrong!

:banghead2:
 
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JZVOL said:
Did it not take two people to create the baby? It's not an individual act to create so why is it an individual choice to terminate?
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It absolutely does take two to create. Anatomically. As for choice, I am saying it is not possible to literally make a decision for another person. Yes a person can be influenced by another party, but in the end, the decision falls on that of the individual.

OrangeEmpire said:
I really thought the parasite thingy would get further!

Oh well, a fetus cannot be a parasite because a parasite is an organism of one species (a heterospecific relationship) living in or on an organism of another speciesderiving its nourishment from the host.

A human embryo or fetus is an organism of one species (Homo sapiens) living in the uterine cavity of an organism of the same species (Homo sapiens) and deriving its nourishment from the mother (is metabolically dependent on the mother). This homospecific relationship is an obligatory dependent relationship, but not a parasitic relationship.
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Hey, I felt I defended this point rather well :)
 
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I have one more question for those who are pro-choice and I will stop! :)

Have y'all seen what takes place during what is called a partial birth abortion?
 
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Volingatorland said:
It absolutely does take two to create. Anatomically. As for choice, I am saying it is not possible to literally make a decision for another person. Yes a person can be influenced by another party, but in the end, the decision falls on that of the individual.




Hey, I felt I defended this point rather well :)
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:hi:

We need more people like you in this forum!

Don't take me personally.......... I am always like this.

Even though you are jar head!

:mf_surrender:
 
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Volingatorland said:
It absolutely does take two to create. Anatomically. As for choice, I am saying it is not possible to literally make a decision for another person. Yes a person can be influenced by another party, but in the end, the decision falls on that of the individual.
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Is this like saying the bombadier on the Enola Gay ultimately bears the responsibility of leveling Hiroshima? Afterall, he really didn't have to "press the button" if he didn't want to.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:

Right, the child is just as much mine or yours as it is hers and she gets to choose the fate, why?

Science?
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I think you're missing my point. Which I believe may be due to my lack of ability to put it into words on a computer screen, so I will try one more time.


You can discuss the issue with one another as much as you want, but you cannot physically enter the mind of another being and make the decision for them, that part is all their own, and it is my belief, that regardless of another party's wishes (even though they may have swayed the opinion of the deciding party) the deciding party makes the final decision entirely on their own.

I don't know how to more clearly put it. I'm sorry if I'm not making sense.
 
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