Discussion of gay rights, religion, abortion...oh yeah, and Pete Rose

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#203
ridethelightening said:
Great argument. Guess I should have just originally said that I believe in God, so your questions over how its a choice are meaningless to me.
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That's fine, and I have nothing against your beliefs, but telling me the Bible says this and a Christian should do that are not the way to convince me of anything.
 
#204
#204
emainvol said:
That's fine, just don't quote scripture with me if you want me to take your argument seriously. I have nothing against you beliefs, but scripture isn't going to convince me.
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I don't mean this in a smart ace way but nothing will convince you so what difference does it make if scripture is used?
 
#205
#205
Rights for gays? Not in my country. Our forefathers came to this country so that straight white men could hunt and drink beer without bein' hit on by a bunch of sissies, or have a bunch of leslies hittin' on their wives.
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That line belongs in the next Will Ferrell movie. Nicely done J.
 
#206
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JZVOL said:
I don't mean this in a smart ace way but nothing will convince you so what difference does it make if scripture is used?
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I actually had mistakenly thought that he had quoted scripture, when he didn't explicitly do that.

That being said, I didn't say that nothing would convince me, but scripture is certainly not amongst the things that will. If it is aimed at someone else, that's cool, but when it is aimed at me it's not going to further anyone's argument.
 
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emainvol said:
I actually had mistakenly thought that he had quoted scripture, when he didn't explicitly do that.

That being said, I didn't say that nothing would convince me, but scripture is certainly not amongst the things that will. If it is aimed at someone else, that's cool, but when it is aimed at me it's not going to further anyone's argument.
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That's cool. At what point did you decide there was no God? A book, social factors or just felt that way?
 
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#211
KB5252 said:
But their partners in many cases do.
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I have two friends that break this mold off the top of my head. My friend Nora, who is gay, and quite attractive might I add, tends to date girls that are just as "girly" and just as attractive.

On the other hand, her roomate, Amy is what would be considered to be "butch" and her partners tend to be "butch" as well.

I know there are exceptions to every rule, but I hang out in predominantly gay area of Jacksonville, and frankly, that seems to be the trend here.
 
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Volingatorland said:
I have two friends that break this mold off the top of my head. My friend Nora, who is gay, and quite attractive might I add, tends to date girls that are just as "girly" and just as attractive.

On the other hand, her roomate, Amy is what would be considered to be "butch" and her partners tend to be "butch" as well.

I know there are exceptions to every rule, but I hang out in predominantly gay area of Jacksonville, and frankly, that seems to be the trend here.
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My wife and I have gay friends and the one is super smokin' hot!

Don't tell me you wouldn't think the things that I do!

:p
 
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dickens821 said:
There are people born in this world that are pure evil. People that have no conscience. It has been proven to have very much to do with the anatomy and genetics of the person. Why would God create a killer, then?
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Just curious, but was it proven by the same people that say gays don't have a choice? If so, the argument doesn't apply here, because that is the fact that we are disputing. Not being smart, just making an observation.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Knowing no one will take me serious, but I have nightmares to this day of the church I grew up in.
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It isn't your fault you grew up in the "cradle" of every "holiness movement" in the last century.

I've spent time in Wilmore...and I believe you.
 
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#216
JZVOL said:
That's cool. At what point did you decide there was no God? A book, social factors or just felt that way?
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If he's anything like me, it was while looking for a church and realizing the every church has their own agenda. I personally came to the conclusion that their "worship" wasn't that of a greater being, but that of a fatter wallet.
 
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Lexvol said:
It isn't your fault you grew up in the "cradle" of every "holiness movement" in the last century.

I've spent time in Wilmore...and I believe you.
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In real life I dread going back to visit when we are visiting my parents.

Every now and again I have an awful dream about walking up to the balcony to run the sound system then every thing trapping me in and I cannot leave or wake up!

:blink:
 
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ridethelightening said:
Just curious, but was it proven by the same people that say gays don't have a choice? If so, the argument doesn't apply here, because that is the fact that we are disputing. Not being smart, just making an observation.
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No. You said god wouldn't create a person who is made to commit a sin. I'm just showing you that some people are.
 
#220
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dickens821 said:
No. You said god wouldn't create a person who is made to commit a sin. I'm just showing you that some people are.
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If I remember right from my CCD and Confirmation days, ALL people are born with sin, and will inevitably commit more, but if they repent then they will be forgiven. So I'm going to support Dicken's argument.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Explain further!
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What I mean OE, and I state this is strictly my personal opinion and part of the reason I left Christianity, is that the word of a particular church is not that of the teachings of a God as much as it is the teachings of a single person standing behind a podium.

I find Christianity hard to bite in to when there are so many sects saying the other got it wrong.
 
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Volingatorland said:
If he's anything like me, it was while looking for a church and realizing the every church has their own agenda. I personally came to the conclusion that their "worship" wasn't that of a greater being, but that of a fatter wallet.
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I'm not trying to be mean when I say this but that is a very weak-minded conclusion.

Did you stop following UT football because one of the players got arrested or did something to reflect poorly on the university?

To allow humans who are sinners and with much fault to dictate where you decide to spend eternity is a heavy decision.

Do all the atheists or whatever you believe reflect their set beliefs in the correct manner all the time?

As Billy Graham said the biggest mission field is in the pews of the church.

I go to a large church in west Knoxville and my youth minister cheated on his wife in his office at the church when I was in high school.

The point is in any facet of life there are going to be people who reflect poorly on their group. So if that's the case we should all quit everything.

OE should quit the force. I should stop selling telecom because a lot of people in this business lie and cheat.
 
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#224
I have a "religion" if you would want to call it that, I look at it as more of a "philosophy of life" But my statements are my opinion and stem from the 8 years I spent trying to find a church I could genuinely believe in.
 
#225
#225
there's a couple of "butch's" that go to the same gym i go to. brutal. and the college i went to their softball team. 75% were butchs, but 90% liked the same team. Team rule no joke, was that they couldn't date a teammate. No lie
 
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