Do you know what I find peculiar?

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The ESPN/Sagarin ratings put Tennessee at 33rd all-time (at least since 1937-38), which is third in the SEC and only one spot behind Arkansas...
 
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Ok so tennessee basketball wasnt among the worst programs before pearl took over. Ok..But honestly look at those 95 yrs as a whole and tell me that you are happy with those results.
 
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QuickdrawMcVols said:
Now tell me, do you somehow considered it "belittling" to UT history by saying that UT basketball was a generally poor experience for the past 25 years before Pearl arrived?
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UT basketball is older than 25 years. Which was the whole point. And even still, there were exceptional players, big wins, and yes even a little post-season success. Was it generally poor to mediocre? Yes. Should we act like UT basketball started Chris Lofton's sophomore year? No.
 
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Also, I don't understand the personal attacks on Pearl at all. I could care less what happened with the recruiting incident in 1989, his divorce, or how he spends his weekends in Knoxville. The bottom line is, anyone can personally attack almost every basketball coach. I find it pathetic how Hat and others have to turn to Pearl's personal life to attack him.
 
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VKAman said:
The ESPN/Sagarin ratings put Tennessee at 33rd all-time (at least since 1937-38), which is third in the SEC and only one spot behind Arkansas...
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What? Huh?

The almighty didn't create the program in 2005?

Rankings must be rigged.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Where did I say people should be happy with Tennessee's results between '85 and '05? Where did I say people's historical ignornace was Pearl's fault?
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Then, instead of answering with questions, tell me what you are saying. I'm just trying to put two and two together as to what the issue is. Maybe you can spell it out for me more clearly?

We know you don't like Pearl. And from this thread, I gather that you are aggravated by people's lack of knowledge on the history of Tennessee basketball.

People are going to base their opinion of Tennessee basketball on what they have witnessed during their lifetime. While I can appreciate Tennessee's 1951 National Championship, the one in 1998 was much more meaningful because I was able to follow the entire season and live the experience. That said, I have a hard time understanding why it would be offensive if the younger generation doesn't go around praising how great Tennessee basketball was during the Ray Mears era.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
Also, I don't understand the personal attacks on Pearl at all. I could care less what happened with the recruiting incident in 1989, his divorce, or how he spends his weekends in Knoxville. The bottom line is, anyone can personally attack almost every basketball coach. I find it pathetic how Hat and others have to turn to Pearl's personal life to attack him.
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This. PLEASE do NOT inject Pearl's personal life into basketball arguments. Pearl's personal life has no relevance in a basketball related argument.
 
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IPorange said:
UT basketball is older than 25 years. Which was the whole point. And even still, there were exceptional players, big wins, and yes even a little post-season success. Was it generally poor to mediocre? Yes. Should we act like UT basketball started Chris Lofton's sophomore year? No.
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How am I acting this way? I sat through the crap years, if it werent for the crap years, these years wouldnt seem so awesome. Hence the reason many YOUNG fans think Pearl is the greatest UT basketball coach in it's history.
 
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UT basketball is older than 25 years. Which was the whole point. And even still, there were exceptional players, big wins, and yes even a little post-season success. Was it generally poor to mediocre? Yes. Should we act like UT basketball started Chris Lofton's sophomore year? No.

I like to ignore poor-mediocre history in favor of an excellant present.
 
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Freak said:
Then, instead of answering with questions, tell me what you are saying. I'm just trying to put two and two together as to what the issue is. Maybe you can spell it out for me more clearly?

We know you don't like Pearl. And from this thread, I gather that you are aggravated by people's lack of knowledge on the history of Tennessee basketball.

People are going to base their opinion of Tennessee basketball on what they have witnessed during their lifetime. While I can appreciate Tennessee's 1951 National Championship, the one in 1998 was much more meaningful because I was able to follow the entire season and live the experience. That said, I have a hard time understanding why it would be offensive if the younger generation doesn't go around praising how great Tennessee basketball was during the Ray Mears era.
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Did you run around telling everyone in '98 that Fulmer "was Tennessee football" and nothing ever happened here before his arrival?
 
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Sudeepvol said:
Also, I don't understand the personal attacks on Pearl at all. I could care less what happened with the recruiting incident in 1989, his divorce, or how he spends his weekends in Knoxville. The bottom line is, anyone can personally attack almost every basketball coach. I find it pathetic how Hat and others have to turn to Pearl's personal life to attack him.
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See, this is horse****. When Hat and others bring up Pearl's personal life, they are responding to people's criticisms of other coaches' (Kennedy, Calipari, Pitino, etc.) personal lives, and similarly when it comes to being "slimy" with the response of the Illinois-Iowa incident. It isn't like anyone is just tossing that stuff out there. Those personal "attacks" didn't occur in a vacuum. Those "attacks" were counter-points to exactly the type of "pathetic" personal attacks you are accusing them of.
 
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Well, at least someone finally admits to it.

As opposed to clelebrating a mediocre history. If mediocre is what you want no wonder you hate pearl. I didnt realize mediocre was something to defend
 
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BigOrangePassion1 said:
Well, at least someone finally admits to it.

As opposed to clelebrating a mediocre history. If mediocre is what you want no wonder you hate pearl. I didnt realize mediocre was something to defend
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Welcome to irrelevance (aka my ignore list). Congrats!
 
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Freak said:
That said, I have a hard time understanding why it would be offensive if the younger generation doesn't go around praising how great Tennessee basketball was during the Ray Mears era.
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I think it's more along the lines of people never acknowledging it happened, such as people saying "Bruce Pearl is UT basketball" and "Tennessee was terrible year in and year out until BP got here"
 
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Sudeepvol said:
What's happening is this:

The people that absolutely love Pearl are saying that he essentially created basketball at UT...which is obviously wrong.

The people that are responding to that are, for some reason, dissing Pearl of his accomplishments while praising UT's history...which is wrong and is sparking these kinds of arguments in every damn basketball thread.

I find it extremely annoying that these kinds of arguments come up in pretty much every basketball thread I open these days.

The bottom line is this: Tennessee has had a good basketball history, not a great one. It's hard to argue how great UT's history has been when we haven't reached an Elite 8 before this year. Of course, there are other factors to base a program's success on, but in the end day, college basketball is a post-season sport. In addition to having a good basketball history, Pearl has revived the program in a very big way over the last five years. There is absolutely no arguing that. I can see an argument for why he still isn't the best coach in UT history, but that argument can go both ways.
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Now that basketball season is over, there isn't going to be much to discuss. However, I'm not going to allow these continued debates to pop up in every single thread, relevant or not. I suppose I will have to make one thread where people can debate the issue until their heart is content... and prohibit it in other threads.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Did you run around telling everyone in '98 that Fulmer "was Tennessee football" and nothing ever happened here before his arrival?
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I think that's highly unlikely... we have something called NEYLAND Stadium to remind us of our history. Our football tradition is thrown in everyone's face because it's top 10 in the nation. Not top 50 like basketball.

I had heard Ray Mears' name but it wasnt until Bruce Pearl was hired that I cared to read up on his basketball period at UT.
 
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IPorange said:
See, this is horse****. When Hat and others bring up Pearl's personal life, they are responding to people's criticisms of other coaches' (Kennedy, Calipari, Pitino, etc.) personal lives, and similarly when it comes to being "slimy" with the response of the Illinois-Iowa incident. It isn't like anyone is just tossing that stuff out there. Those personal "attacks" didn't occur in a vacuum. Those "attacks" were counter-points to exactly the type of "pathetic" personal attacks you are accusing them of.
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So every time Hat has called Pearl a "snake", he was replying to a personal attack on some other coach?

That's a good one.
 
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