Do you take Gruden at $50m over 10 years?

[gordonr24]

Ill say this and i think all here would agree. JG is announced as the new HC at UT, watch demand for season tickets to sky-rocket, watch UT apparel start flying off the shelves again, watch the band wagon fill back up, and watch the enormous media coverage that UT Football starts getting again. There will be an immediate positive financial impact, an immediate boost to moral, and immediately all of the negative from the past 5 years will be forgotten. Can he be successful and keep that up is the question. I personally think he can.

You gotta know espn will be all over the Gruden campaign. He'd be getting so much attention.

 

[utvolpj]

Have you ever ran a succesful business? Ever even darkened the doorway of a business fundementals class?

Get Real

the men writing the big checks probably know what it takes to run a successful business. And yes, I attended a business class or 2 at the same school they did

 

[Tarkus]

I'm not saying I'm against the hire, but I would want him to have some numbers to hit as far as wins. If he didn't make the transition well, we would be stuck with him for a long time, possibly without being able to buy him out. It will either be a home run or an absolute disaster.

 

[OakRidgeVol]

I guess I don't get the apprehension about Gruden as a coach? Sure he took over a great situation in Tampa and won a SB with Dungy's players and Kiffin's defense, but does anyone remember the team they played in the SB that year? Those were Gruden's players that Bill Callahan took to the SB, that was Gruden's offense that was #1 in the NFL, and Rich Gannon had a career resurrection once Gruden got a hold of him. The Raiders were a mess before he got there and have been a mess since he left. If you're going to knock him for winning with someone else's players, give him credit for someone else winning with his players. I also think that the blame for his lack of success in Tampa has as much to do with the owners as it does Gruden. They never gave him the players (specifically a QB) that he needed to succeed. On top of his success in Oakland, he has worked with and for some of the finest minds in football history including Bill Walsh, Paul Hackett, Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid, Monte Kiffin, Ray Rhodes, etc. in addition to the recent studying he's done with Chip Kelly concerning his unique Read Option Spread Offense. I'm not trying to say he's god's gift to football, but you can't dismiss his resume.

Even if you think he's just an average NFL coach, it's common for average NFL coaches to be very good in college. Pete Carroll, Nick Saban, Butch Davis to name a few...Barry Switzer, Steve Spurrier, Bobby Petrino also. Success in the NFL, or more accurately lack of success in the NFL, doesn't translate to college football the same way.

And if you think the initial recruiting draw is all Gruden could pull in before being a let down, then I think you're way off base. Say he hauls in a top 5 recruiting class this offseason (just hypothetically, not saying he could or will do that), he's got some great players on the roster right off the bat to add to the assortment of talented players already on the roster. You have a big collection of uber talented players, you're going to win some games especially if they feed of the confidence that Gruden exudes. So if you have a successful season right off the bat, that will breed excitement not only for fans but also recruits. The initial excitement of Gruden will continue and he will haul in another great class. That's a hypothetical, but that's exactly what Nick Saban has done.

 

[oregonvol]

TN fans are regarded nationally as delusional, maybe the most deluisional in the country.

I love when people make claims like this, without any research or statistics to back them up. It's like that guy who claimed all the other teams fans thought Dooley was building a dynasty here. Oh, its so easy just to type meaningless claims on the internet, isn't it? Fun too.

Of course, I heard the same thing about Alabama fans before they hired Saban, so maybe its a good thing. Oddly though, it wasn't Alabama fans saying it about other Alabama fans. Maybe TN fans are the most self-loathing fans or misanthropic fans?

Maybe the most delusional fans are the ones who think that Bobby Petrino is a better coach than Jon Gruden? Yes, definitely, that is what the rest of the country has now decided. I speak for them.

 

[LaagerVol]

You guys are going to be so dissapointed when this doesnt happen.
Your going to lose your mind.
Your going to be begging for Petrino to come and I swear I hope its too late .

TN fans are regarded nationally as delusional, maybe the most deluisional in the country.

I mean I love the Vols just as much as the next guy but my god you guys need to get real.

Wanting JG is understandable, I want him myself, but betting the farm on him is rediculous. 100 MM over 10 years for him and his assistants?

I ask all you guys who say "HECK YEAH MAN, ITS EASY, ITS A NO BRAINER" ....

Have you ever ran a succesful business? Ever even darkened the doorway of a business fundementals class?

Get Real

Which is it? You don't think Gruden is a good coach or you want him as the Vols coach?? You are contradicting yourself.

Look no farther than Alabama for how well it works, from a business standpoint, to hire a "rockstar" coach. If you think UT will be better of from a $$ standpoint by hiring a coach on the cheap you are the most delusional of all. Because if they don't do something to get the fanbase excited again, they will keep losing money hand over fist.

 

[dovervolz]

I think people need to take a step back, breathe a little, and ask when gruden became god's gift to coaching.

Tennessee needs to get the best coach they can, not the coolest name out there

spoken like a true gator fan, i really don't see where you've got a dog in this race, none of it concerns fla
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[shelbyvillevol]

You guys are going to be so dissapointed when this doesnt happen.
Your going to lose your mind.
Your going to be begging for Petrino to come and I swear I hope its too late .

TN fans are regarded nationally as delusional, maybe the most deluisional in the country.

I mean I love the Vols just as much as the next guy but my god you guys need to get real.

Wanting JG is understandable, I want him myself, but betting the farm on him is rediculous. 100 MM over 10 years for him and his assistants?

I ask all you guys who say "HECK YEAH MAN, ITS EASY, ITS A NO BRAINER" ....

Have you ever ran a succesful business? Ever even darkened the doorway of a business fundementals class?

Get Real

Dumbest Post EVER!!!!

 

[bam15]

Anyone arguing that the NFL grind is easier than college is silly. You get one day a week to spend any time with your family and that is Friday. Often work from 0430 to 2200 or 2300. Not to mention you work yearly, because if you don't, you''ll fall behind. There is a reason the NFL recycles coaches and it is such a close-knit fraternity. It isn't made for everyone.

 

[Doolittle 1720]

Ye$!

 

[Lexvol]

You guys are going to be so dissapointed when this doesnt happen.
Your going to lose your mind.
Your going to be begging for Petrino to come and I swear I hope its too late .

TN fans are regarded nationally as delusional, maybe the most deluisional in the country.

I mean I love the Vols just as much as the next guy but my god you guys need to get real.

Wanting JG is understandable, I want him myself, but betting the farm on him is rediculous. 100 MM over 10 years for him and his assistants?

I ask all you guys who say "HECK YEAH MAN, ITS EASY, ITS A NO BRAINER" ....

Have you ever ran a succesful business? Ever even darkened the doorway of a business fundementals class?

Get Real

Same things were said about Bama fans before Saban.
LSU would actually hire him back in a heartbeat. Same can't be said for Arkansas, Louisville or the Falcons.

Petrino is a walking liability. I don't care what he does with his wang.

 

[TOP]

Flame me if you want. I have to agree with Mr. Gator on this one.
Gruden is not coming to UT. Why would he. He can make the same amount of money, if not more in the NFL with half the work.

Weigh out the pros and cons if you were in the same postion as Gruden.

We will be lucky to land Patterson or Strong.

Just keeping it real.

P.S.
I will run through my neighborhood buck naked if I'm wrong!!

GO BIG ORANGE!!!!

You think the NFL is easier than college? Is that why someone like Kirk Ferentz can win 8 games a year in college and get an 8 year extension that runs until 2020? If they fire him, they owe him 20 million dollars. In the NFL, it's easy to get fired after 2-3 seasons with those results. Not to mention, you're relying on someone else to draft and sign free agents while staying under the salary cap. In college, you can stockpile as much talent as you like.

Gruden's name alone will bring in top recruits at first and if he starts winning, recruiting will continue to be easy. I'm betting coaches like Nick Saban, Les Miles, Chip Kelly, Jim Tressel, Pete Carroll etc. didn't/don't have to recruit very hard. I know it's USC but Lane Kiffin isn't that good and look at the classes he brings in. You combine Gruden's name with winning and recruiting shouldn't be too difficult.

 

[TNfan3]

Pay Gruden and we will win. We don't need to be cheap and hire someone like Al Golden another dooley. We will make more money with Gruden also homerun.

 

[TOP]

You guys are going to be so dissapointed when this doesnt happen.
Your going to lose your mind.
Your going to be begging for Petrino to come and I swear I hope its too late .

TN fans are regarded nationally as delusional, maybe the most deluisional in the country.

I mean I love the Vols just as much as the next guy but my god you guys need to get real.

Wanting JG is understandable, I want him myself, but betting the farm on him is rediculous. 100 MM over 10 years for him and his assistants?

I ask all you guys who say "HECK YEAH MAN, ITS EASY, ITS A NO BRAINER" ....

Have you ever ran a succesful business? Ever even darkened the doorway of a business fundementals class?

Get Real

 

[BruinVol]

I haven't read all the thread so I apologize for jumping in mid stream but here is my plan if I am the AD and I fall short raising donor money to get the 50mil.


Lets say donors have agreed to raise 25mil. I then gather future pledges hedging the risk of the university with attendance revenues.i would ask donors to put in writing that they would cover the risk. If revenues don't increase by the amount we expect yearly then donors assume the difference after year five picking up the tabb. I would expect your usual suspects to be more than willing to take on that risk in writing.

 

[bam15]

I love when people make claims like this, without any research or statistics to back them up. It's like that guy who claimed all the other teams fans thought Dooley was building a dynasty here. Oh, its so easy just to type meaningless claims on the internet, isn't it? Fun too.

Of course, I heard the same thing about Alabama fans before they hired Saban, so maybe its a good thing. Oddly though, it wasn't Alabama fans saying it about other Alabama fans. Maybe TN fans are the most self-loathing fans or misanthropic fans?

Maybe the most delusional fans are the ones who think that Bobby Petrino is a better coach than Jon Gruden? Yes, definitely, that is what the rest of the country has now decided. I speak for them.

Petrino is more open to different concepts. Gruden ran the same mirrored max protect shiz, 3 step wco (omaha/thunder/smoke/sluggo/slant/spacing/stick) crap for ever. Add in the 4 verts/cadillac/sail with pa off mainly 6 hole and you got any other WCO from the Holmgren/Reid tree. That does not impress me. Petrino started off with 1 back stuff with Erickson and underwent a sabbatical with Coughlin who called him the best offensive-coordinator he has ever seen and came back with even newer stuff. I'm not saying that Gruden isn't good offensively, but he doesn't budge from his WCO stuff and is by-and-large inflated by his QB show and frequent appearances. I do not want Petrino but I'm not going to pretend that he isn't amazing at offensive knowledge and calling plays. Guy has stuff from Erickson days/Tiller/Coughlin--Pistol concepts from Nevada;all over-the-place. In reality, they aren't that far apart.

 

[kwhite40]

Ill say this and i think all here would agree. JG is announced as the new HC at UT, watch demand for season tickets to sky-rocket, watch UT apparel start flying off the shelves again, watch the band wagon fill back up, and watch the enormous media coverage that UT Football starts getting again. There will be an immediate positive financial impact, an immediate boost to moral, and immediately all of the negative from the past 5 years will be forgotten. Can he be successful and keep that up is the question. I personally think he can.

agreed, exciting the fan base would be his first task and he would accomplish that before even stepping foot on the field. After that would be his challenge. This coaching search can't be solely looked at by how he will do on the field. There are bigger issues than our record to handle first.

 

[AmoebaVol]

Look, nobody's a slam dunk hire. But if we put up the money for a proven coach like Gruden and things don't work out, AT LEAST it's not because we decided to be cheap and go with the discount option.

I'd pay the man and see what he can do. Bama didn't go cheap and hire a nobody like Dooley.

 

[99gator]

My point with regard to gruden is that i believe you get the best college coach out there.

Gruden is a pro guy and they are different games.

No one questions the mind of spurrier, saban or petrino and they failed in the pro game.

No one questions the mind of charlie weis or mike sherman and they failed in the college game.

 

[67volbabygirl]

If I'm willing to pay Derek Dooley coming from a 4-8 La.Tech coaching record and give him 1.8 per year....I think I'm willing to pay for Gruden.

 

[OrangeHammer]

A couple of concerns.

1. He never developed any young talent. So, I don't know how good he is with young players.

2. He is a pro guy and the games are different

He runs all sorts of camps for young kids :crazy:..

He took a team from contended with an Oakland team that had no business contending.

He took Tony Dungee's players (average at best) and won a Super Bowl.

Dude can develop talent.

Also remember, it's x's and o's AND jimmys and joes. We'll have plenty of them jimmys and joes if he comes.

 

[Elhanan]

That's apparently what Basillo is reporting. I don't care how inaccurate Basillo is, it's an interesting question.

10 years is a long time to be committed to paying out 5/yr

I personally would be a fan of a longer contract, assuming the coach was a proven commodity like Gruden. I'd love a contract that would essentially make Tennessee fans shut-up and swallow what happens the next 5-7 years with the same head coach so we can finally have some stability.

Gruden's winning percentage is .540 with finishing first in the AFC South twice and in the NFC West three times. His biggest appeal is his one Super Bowl at Tampa Bay after Tony Dungy was fired.

I don't know how much a.500 NFL coach with a Super Bowl win is worth on the recruiting trail. (I assume a lot? idk)

His big win was like 13 years ago so the current crop of recruits were like 5 years old when he won the big one but assuming their parent are well informed and involved in the process it may be worth a lot.

But 5 Million a year for 10 years to a guy who has never ran a college program... idk. Personally I would roll the dice on it but who knows what the guys running the University will actually do.

After the last couple of years I think I'm being a little too skeptical of every candidate at this point though.

 

[OrangeHammer]

I mean I love the Vols just as much as the next guy but my god you guys need to get real.

Wanting JG is understandable, I want him myself, but betting the farm on him is rediculous. 100 MM over 10 years for him and his assistants?

Well, the first part is obvious.. NEGAVOL.

Since you want to look at this as a "business," then look at it this way. We've lost over 50 mil this year between tickets, merchandise, ect. There is half of that 100m amount. Jon Gruden pays for himself. We ignite/unite the fan base, sell out every game next year, and merchandise sales blow the roof off. GET REAL :crazy:.

 

[oregonvol]

Petrino is more open to different concepts. Gruden ran the same mirrored max protect shiz, 3 step wco (omaha/thunder/smoke/sluggo/slant/spacing/stick) crap for ever. Add in the 4 verts/cadillac/sail with pa off mainly 6 hole and you got any other WCO from the Holmgren/Reid tree. That does not impress me. Petrino started off with 1 back stuff with Erickson and underwent a sabbatical with Coughlin who called him the best offensive-coordinator he has ever seen and came back with even newer stuff. I'm not saying that Gruden isn't good offensively, but he doesn't budge from his WCO stuff and is by-and-large inflated by his QB show and frequent appearances. I do not want Petrino but I'm not going to pretend that he isn't amazing at offensive knowledge and calling plays. Guy has stuff from Erickson days/Tiller/Coughlin--Pistol concepts from Nevada;all over-the-place. In reality, they aren't that far apart.

Don't know what your argument here is. Maybe Petrino has a more diverse offensive philosophy than Gruden? Okay, but Gruden has found a way to win football games and win more important football games with diverse personnel. I have faith that Gruden could figure out how to attack a quality defense, like a Saban defense, and win. Not get blown out like Petrino always did. And that's what it comes down to, who can actually win big games.

 

[99gator]

He runs all sorts of camps for young kids :crazy:..

He took a team from contended with an Oakland team that had no business contending.

He took Tony Dungee's players (average at best) and won a Super Bowl.

Dude can develop talent.

Also remember, it's x's and o's AND jimmys and joes. We'll have plenty of them jimmys and joes if he comes.

He developed nothing in oakland and tampa. The players he coached on offense were 137 years old.

I dont think he had a qb who was less than a 10 year veteran