Donald Trump goes off

[therealUT]

There is an amendment to the U.S. constitution that requires the President to be a natural born citizen, so Obama had to produce a birth certificate that shows he was born in the U.S. and this would have been checked against the hospital record to ensure it was not a forgery before he would have been allowed to run for President. Why is that simple concept so difficult for people to grasp?

Can you cite anything that says a candidate must display his birth certificate prior to running?

Once the committee decides the waters are warm, it's time to file a Statement of Candidacy. This includes the candidate's name and address, the name and address of his or her principal campaign committee, and little else. Technically, you don't need to fill out the paperwork until you've raised or spent $5,000 on your campaign; after that, you have 15 days to send the form to the FEC and the opposing candidates. A candidate gets another 10 days to fill out a Statement of Organization, which registers his or her principal campaign committee with the FEC. The document designates a treasurer and a custodian of records to oversee money in and money out.

What paperwork do you need to file to run for president? - By Christopher Beam - Slate Magazine

 

[droski]

There is an amendment to the U.S. constitution that requires the President to be a natural born citizen, so Obama had to produce a birth certificate that shows he was born in the U.S. and this would have been checked against the hospital record to ensure it was not a forgery before he would have been allowed to run for President. Why is that simple concept so difficult for people to grasp?

your evidence that they check this is?

 

[therealUT]

I see nothing, thus far.

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[TXA&M07]

There is an amendment to the U.S. constitution that requires the President to be a natural born citizen, so Obama had to produce a birth certificate that shows he was born in the U.S. and this would have been checked against the hospital record to ensure it was not a forgery before he would have been allowed to run for President. Why is that simple concept so difficult for people to grasp?

Looks like I reeled in an Okie today too. This is easier than I thought.
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[CSVol]

We've tried this before: If you don't have to show proof of citizenship to run for POTUS, why are qualifications listed in the Constitution? I think there are more pressing issues that need discussion:

Did we really land on the moon?
Was there a third shooter?
What really is Area 51 all about?
Does the Bilderburg Group run the world?
Are Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster the same thing?

 

[PoochPunt3rdDown]

I love that Donald Trump has joined the idiot fringe otherwise known as birthers. Really lends some creedence to their argument when the biggest douche hole America has ever produced is trumpetting this cause 3 years after it was relevant and 3 years after it was easily proven wrong.

 

[NEO]

Hilarious - definitely don't want him for Prez but hope he continues his rants.

I'm asking because I respect your views.

Based on the names out there right now who would you rather have?

 

[Vol Mania 21]

it was proven wrong?

 

[NEO]

I love that Donald Trump has joined the idiot fringe otherwise known as birthers. Really lends some creedence to their argument when the biggest douche hole America has ever produced is trumpetting this cause 3 years after it was relevant and 3 years after it was easily proven wrong.

Dinner on me if you can show me his BC and prove it wrong. Also I wont accept the fake one.

 

[kev20]

it was proven wrong?

well, obviously, mania, duh! that's why no one ever brings it up anymore.

 

[NEO]

it was proven wrong?

he drinks more than me and smokes more than you and has a cocaine sniffing avatar.

what you expect?

 

[WA_Vol]

Can you cite anything that says a candidate must display his birth certificate prior to running?

your evidence that they check this is?

I see nothing, thus far.

Looks like I reeled in an Okie today too. This is easier than I thought.
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snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

 

[vader]

snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

Inb4 gsvol rant on snopes

 

[therealUT]

snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

Nice red herring response.

 

[therealUT]

We've tried this before: If you don't have to show proof of citizenship to run for POTUS, why are qualifications listed in the Constitution?

The qualification is in the Constitution; however, nothing I have found concerning the paperwork that must be filed and submitted to the FEC concerns a birth certificate.

 

[IPorange]

Did we really land on the moon?
Was there a third shooter?
What really is Area 51 all about?
Does the Bilderburg Group run the world?
Are Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster the same thing?

Yes.

No.

Experimental aeronautics, specifically stealth programs such as the B-2 and the SR-71.

No.

No.



I think I can call it a day.

 

[WA_Vol]

Nice red herring response.

a scanned copy of his birth certificate, scanned copies of both newspapers with announcements of his birth, and references to the news article that the State of Hawaii research his birth certificate and announced it was legitimate. There is absolutely no reaching you then..........

 

[therealUT]

There is an amendment to the U.S. constitution that requires the President to be a natural born citizen, so Obama had to produce a birth certificate that shows he was born in the U.S. and this would have been checked against the hospital record to ensure it was not a forgery before he would have been allowed to run for President. Why is that simple concept so difficult for people to grasp?

Can you cite anything that says a candidate must display his birth certificate prior to running?

snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

Nice red herring response.

a scanned copy of his birth certificate, scanned copies of both newspapers with announcements of his birth, and references to the news article that the State of Hawaii research his birth certificate and announced it was legitimate. There is absolutely no reaching you then..........

From the top.

Red herring.

You tried to make the point that somewhere in the election cycle, the FEC demands that candidates produce a birth certificate. I cited an article from Slate and the FEC website that never mention that a birth certificate must be submitted.

If you now want to talk about the difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and a Birth Certificate, or the process and proof one must show to have a birth announcement placed in any newspaper in the country, we can certainly discuss these issues, too.

Would you also like to know that Dr. Rodney West, "the obstetrician that had delivered him [Obama]" according to the Snopes report, retired from medicine in 1956...

Rodney T. West, M.D. was born on the island of Maui in the then Territory of Hawaii. He graduated from the Punahou School in Honolulu and attended Northwestern University in Chicago, where he earned his Medical Degree. He returned to the Islands, spent 18 months as an intern and resident at the Queen's Hospital and then went into a private practice in Honolulu. He joined the United States Naval Reserve in January of 1940. Twenty months later, September 5, 1941, he was called to active duty and was stationed at the Medical Dispensary on Ford Island in Pearl Harbor and was there on the morning of December 7, l941. He spent the rest of World War II on Johnston Island in the Pacific and at various Naval Air Stations on the American mainland. At the end of the war, he returned to Honolulu and on March 26, 1946 was discharged from active duty. In September of 1949, he resigned from the Naval Reserve as a full Commander. Then, after practicing on the Big Island of Hawaii for a year, he returned to Honolulu and joined the Obstetrics and Gynecological department of the Straub Clinic. In December of l956, after delivering at least 5,000 babies - and other things, he retired from the practice of medicine. In l963, he served as the President of the Hawaii Medical Association and in 1975, he helped found and was the first president of the American College of Physician Executives.

http://www.pearlharborstories.org/survivorpage.php?name=Rodney+West,%20M.D.&id=767

 

[CSVol]

Can you cite anything that says a candidate must display his birth certificate prior to running?

I see nothing, thus far.

The qualification is in the Constitution; however, nothing I have found concerning the paperwork that must be filed and submitted to the FEC concerns a birth certificate.

From the top.

Red herring.

You tried to make the point that somewhere in the election cycle, the FEC demands that candidates produce a birth certificate. I cited an article from Slate and the FEC website that never mention that a birth certificate must be submitted.

If you now want to talk about the difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and a Birth Certificate, or the process and proof one must show to have a birth announcement placed in any newspaper in the country, we can certainly discuss these issues, too.

I am also not convinced that a delivery nurse would specifically remember one child delivered fifty years ago.

Then you have answered you own questions. It would appear from your arguements he doesn't have to prove anything. Why do you still think it matters?

 

[therealUT]

Then you have answered you own questions. It would appear from your arguements he doesn't have to prove anything. Why do you still think it matters?

This is why it matters:

I used to think Donald Trump was a smart guy, until he started questioning whether Obama was born in the U.S. It takes about 5 minutes on google to learn that Obama's birth was published in both of Hawaii's newspapers and both of those papers have been scanned and are available online.

There is no concrete evidence that demonstrably proves Obama was born in the US. There are plenty of reasons why "smart guy" might question Obama's claim that he was. I am doing my best to point these reasons out.

 

[CSVol]

This is why it matters:



There is no concrete evidence that demonstrably proves Obama was born in the US. There are plenty of reasons why "smart guy" might question Obama's claim that he was. I am doing my best to point these reasons out.

But yet you give no credence to the contrary. Way to be objective.

 

[NEO]

This is why it matters:



There is no concrete evidence that demonstrably proves Obama was born in the US. There are plenty of reasons why "smart guy" might question Obama's claim that he was. I am doing my best to point these reasons out.

It is amazing how at times you and are are miles apart and then suddenly we are in agreement.

I think we agree alot on war too.

 

[therealUT]

But yet you give no credence to the contrary. Way to be objective.

Credence to what contrary evidence?

- That Obama was elected, when no official birth certificate had to be displayed throughout the process?

- That Obama has replied to the demands to show his birth certificate by pointing to a Certificate of Live Birth and a newspaper?

The Constitution should be amended; US citizens, regardless of place of birth, should be eligible to run for president. I don't see this as fraud, on Obama's part, because he apparently never had to submit a birth certificate to the FEC. He was elected in a landslide, with a clear mandate from the American public.

That said, I have a problem with someone who would automatically disqualify Trump's intelligence (Oklavol said he that he was a smart guy until this), because Trump has reasonable questions concerning Obama's eligibility to be POTUS.

 

[CSVol]

Credence to what contrary evidence?

- That Obama was elected, when no official birth certificate had to be displayed throughout the process?

- That Obama has replied to the demands to show his birth certificate by pointing to a Certificate of Live Birth and a newspaper?

The Constitution should be amended; US citizens, regardless of place of birth, should be eligible to run for president. I don't see this as fraud, on Obama's part, because he apparently never had to submit a birth certificate to the FEC. He was elected in a landslide, with a clear mandate from the American public.

That said, I have a problem with someone who would automatically disqualify Trump's intelligence (Oklavol said he that he was a smart guy until this), because Trump has reasonable questions concerning Obama's eligibility to be POTUS.

To the evidence you provided that no proof of citizenship is needed to run for POTUS.

 

[WA_Vol]

From the top.

Red herring.

You tried to make the point that somewhere in the election cycle, the FEC demands that candidates produce a birth certificate. I cited an article from Slate and the FEC website that never mention that a birth certificate must be submitted.

If you now want to talk about the difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and a Birth Certificate, or the process and proof one must show to have a birth announcement placed in any newspaper in the country, we can certainly discuss these issues, too.

Would you also like to know that Dr. Rodney West, "the obstetrician that had delivered him [Obama]" according to the Snopes report, retired from medicine in 1956...

The state of Hawaii on two separate occasions personally verified (the director of Hawaii Dept of Health) Obama's birth certificate was valid and that he was born in Hawaii.