Donald Trump goes off

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CSVol said:
To the evidence you provided that no proof of US birth is needed to run for POTUS.
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FYP (I think you intended that to say birth, not just citizenship)

I am confused.

I have yet to see any evidence that says documents demonstrating proof of US birth are required from the FEC.

I understand that it is in the Constitution; however, there does not seem to be any actual mechanism in place that even attempts to verify or validate birth place. This is probably the reason why certain states have enacted legislation now to check birth certificates of Presidential Candidates.
 
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oklavol said:
The state of Hawaii on two separate occasions personally verified (the director of Hawaii Dept of Health) Obama's birth certificate was valid and that he was born in Hawaii.
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Hawaii governor says Obama's birth record 'exists' but can't produce it | Mail Online

American Thinker Blog: Hawaii governor hasn't found Obama's birth certificate yet

Obama Birth: Hawaii Gov. Says Proof of President's Birth Certificate Exists But Hasn't Produced the Document - ABC News

Hawaii Governor Claims Record of Obama's Birth 'Exists in Archives' But Can't Produce the Vital Document - Obama Birth Certificate - Fox Nation

Neil Abercrombie, Hawaii governor drops mission to dispel birthers, prove Obama was born in state - New York Daily News

Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com

So, the Governor can't find it, the State Health Official has it, and all that is needed to release it publicly is Obama's consent?

Not that I don't place supreme trust and confidence in Dr. Fukino...but, well, I usually think at least two witnesses are needed to corroborate a story, right?
 
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CSVol said:
Then why are we having this discussion?
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Because we are held to the constitution before all other things.

The problem that lies here is when he goes for re-election. he is either going to have to provide it or all hell is going to break lose.

My fear, and I'm not kidding, is that he will not be able to and we are going to have serious chaos on our hands.

I personally I hope he is.
 
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NEOCON said:
Because we are held to the constitution before all other things.

The problem that lies here is when he goes for re-election. he is either going to have to provide it or all hell is going to break lose.

My fear, and I'm not kidding, is that he will not be able to and we are going to have serious chaos on our hands.

I personally I hope he is.
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If you read my earlier posts I said that by the constitution he would have already provided evidence. I was speaking to those that don't deem proof necessary.
 
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CSVol said:
If you read my earlier posts I said that by the constitution he would have already provided evidence. I was speaking to those that don't deem proof necessary.
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Who does the Constitution require them to provide it to? How is it to be provided? When does it have to be provided? What paperwork is to accompany this proof?

I am looking and would love to see how this Amendment is met and enforced.

Thus far, the only necessary paperwork I have found in order for one to run for President is what is contained on the FEC website.

After the votes are in, what examining body then goes back and validates that the President-Elect meets all Constitutional requirements. Is it a panel? Is it Congressional, and if so which committee/sub-committee?

How does the verification work? By vote? Simple majority? Super majority? Unanimous decision?

Does anyone in here with an advanced education and understanding in civics, specifically with regard to the election and verification of US Presidents, possess this information?
 
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CSVol said:
If you read my earlier posts I said that by the constitution he would have already provided evidence. I was speaking to those that don't deem proof necessary.
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So you believe he has shown it already and it is on file with the Feds?

Just asking.
 
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therealUT said:
Who does the Constitution require them to provide it to? How is it to be provided? When does it have to be provided? What paperwork is to accompany this proof?

I am looking and would love to see how this Amendment is met and enforced.

Thus far, the only necessary paperwork I have found in order for one to run for President is what is contained on the FEC website.

After the votes are in, what examining body then goes back and validates that the President-Elect meets all Constitutional requirements. Is it a panel? Is it Congressional, and if so which committee/sub-committee?

How does the verification work? By vote? Simple majority? Super majority? Unanimous decision?

Does anyone in here with an advanced education and understanding in civics, specifically with regard to the election and verification of US Presidents, possess this information?
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NEOCON said:
So you believe he has shown it already and it is on file with the Feds?

Just asking.
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I have no idea and would hope that if necessary someone somewhere would have made a verification. If not, or it didin't need to be, whay are we even talking about it?
 
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therealUT said:
Who does the Constitution require them to provide it to? How is it to be provided? When does it have to be provided? What paperwork is to accompany this proof?

I am looking and would love to see how this Amendment is met and enforced.

Thus far, the only necessary paperwork I have found in order for one to run for President is what is contained on the FEC website.

After the votes are in, what examining body then goes back and validates that the President-Elect meets all Constitutional requirements. Is it a panel? Is it Congressional, and if so which committee/sub-committee?

How does the verification work? By vote? Simple majority? Super majority? Unanimous decision?

Does anyone in here with an advanced education and understanding in civics, specifically with regard to the election and verification of US Presidents, possess this information?
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Unfortuantely, no
 
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vol_in_il said:
Unfortuantely, no
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And it appears no one in the government does either.

This is all funny and something to joke about unless it becomes true. If it is true, we have a really big problem on our hands.
 
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therealUT said:
Hawaii governor says Obama's birth record 'exists' but can't produce it | Mail Online

American Thinker Blog: Hawaii governor hasn't found Obama's birth certificate yet

Obama Birth: Hawaii Gov. Says Proof of President's Birth Certificate Exists But Hasn't Produced the Document - ABC News

Hawaii Governor Claims Record of Obama's Birth 'Exists in Archives' But Can't Produce the Vital Document - Obama Birth Certificate - Fox Nation

Neil Abercrombie, Hawaii governor drops mission to dispel birthers, prove Obama was born in state - New York Daily News

Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com

So, the Governor can't find it, the State Health Official has it, and all that is needed to release it publicly is Obama's consent?

Not that I don't place supreme trust and confidence in Dr. Fukino...but, well, I usually think at least two witnesses are needed to corroborate a story, right?
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By state law, they can't release his birth certificate, it's part of your medical records that the dept of health keeps.
 
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#64
Attention whore trying to incite the ignorant. Looks like it's working well! In other news, Glenn Beck got canned and Sarah Palin is losing ground in the polls....

Fads are cute. They just go away.
 
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#65
Was he really going off or just pointing out some obvious truths? I really can't argue against anything he said because most of it was true.

As far as Obama's birth certificate- As of right now he still hasn't produced it and the certificate of live birth isn't the same thing as he stated.
 
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#66
I'd be more interested in seeing Obama's college transcripts. Particularly some evidence that he actually earned the privilege of being editor of the Harvard Law Review.
 
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MG1968 said:
I'd be more interested in seeing Obama's college transcripts. Particularly some evidence that he actually earned the privilege of being editor of the Harvard Law Review.
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i'd pay to see this. still don't understand how a guy who isn't on the honor roll undergrad gets into harvard law.
 
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#69
I wish I could load that video. I'm at work, but it is pretty easy going on security. THe player loads, but the video never comes up. Can't find on youtube either :/
 
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MG1968 said:
I'd be more interested in seeing Obama's college transcripts. Particularly some evidence that he actually earned the privilege of being editor of the Harvard Law Review.
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droski said:
i'd pay to see this. still don't understand how a guy who isn't on the honor roll undergrad gets into harvard law.
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The party of George Bush wants to question the academic background of Obama? Really?
 
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droski said:
i'd pay to see this. still don't understand how a guy who isn't on the honor roll undergrad gets into harvard law.
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Quotas. His deprived childhood being born to a middle class white mother, a disadvanted youth like Obama deserved special consideration at admission time.
 
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Hobock said:
Just listened to a phone interview on CNN. The Donald strongly questions whether or not Obama was born in the U.S.
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The Paradox of Birtherism.

Obama could go on tv tomorrow and show his original Birth Certificate and it wouldn't matter. Birthers would say that it is a Forgery.

He could then have professionals from around the world analyze, and testify to the authenticity of the paper to Congress, and the Birthers would say they are in on the lie.

That is the beauty of a good Conspiracy Theory. It can never been fully disproven therefore debate with a True Believer is meaningless. They want to believe it so bad that they will not be swayed by any debate. They have closed their mind off to any reasoning on the issue.

Plus it gives the believer a sense of Comfort and Self Importance to know that they have a discovered a secret that The "Dark Powers" that be want us to remain Ignorant too.

Conspiracy Theories are like a Drug to the Easily Manipulated, and people like Trump and Beck have huge Conspiracy Cartels.
 
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