Don't know if true but I'm not happy...(Memphis St series)

#201
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MemphisCanes said:
Honestly, I thought the program would be decimated. I expected recruiting to fall off and expected to miss the dance for multiple years. That was right after Cal left. When Pastner was hired, the smart fans knew we were hiring a proven recruiter and an unproven coach.

Memphis media and fans got caught up after Pastner landed that first big class and Pastner sort of became a victim of his own success. I posed this hypo to a Tigers messageboard:

Imagine Pastner never lands Barton, Kendrick or Joe Jackson (someone Memphis wasn't recruiting under Cal). He lands the mid-range Memphis guys like Tarik Black and Chris Crawford, and fills in the gaps with no-name 3 stars. And then he goes out and gets us the exact results that he has over these last 3 seasons. Memphis fans would be satisfied, even excited. We're winning C-USA and back to the dance after only missing a year.

So it's not so much the result, but the means in which he got there. If we'd be happy with the results if he coached his way there, why is it different if he recruits his way there? There's tons of great coaches out there that can't recruit at all, but it's arugably half the game at this point.
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those are valid points and i can see that side. i tend to look at it that he still had a decent team left his first year, his second year was stacked(if cal can do it with frosh why cant josh), this year was supposesd to be a great year for them from everything i heard pre-season. is a 1st round exit acceptable in tiger land?

im not there so i dont get the pulse, but from what i read and hear it seems a 1st round loss would start rumblings. it seems if he loses a couple c-usa games, doesnt win c-usa, and misses the ncaa tournament that things will really heat up. is this accurate or do you think he has a couple more years no matter what?
 
#202
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bleedingTNorange said:
those are valid points and i can see that side. i tend to look at it that he still had a decent team left his first year, his second year was stacked(if cal can do it with frosh why cant josh), this year was supposesd to be a great year for them from everything i heard pre-season. is a 1st round exit acceptable in tiger land?

im not there so i dont get the pulse, but from what i read and hear it seems a 1st round loss would start rumblings. it seems if he loses a couple c-usa games, doesnt win c-usa, and misses the ncaa tournament that things will really heat up. is this accurate or do you think he has a couple more years no matter what?
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Hard to tell what effect a first round loss would have without seeing our matchup.

It's tough rebuilding a program after arguably the best coach in University history left the place a wreck.

Remember this conversation a year from now if Martin is staring at the bubble or worse, looking like he will miss the tournament (not saying he will, but it's always a possibility).

Look at what seasoned coach Steve Lavin is doing with the no. 2 recruiting class this season. Freshmen are hard to coach.
 
#203
#203
bleedingTNorange said:
Nobody in football is gonna go to Memphis anyway, no reason for our football team to go there anymore. That's what he's saying, it was basketball fat it benefited us, our bball team going there, not football.
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I think it's more Alabama, the 2 Miss's, VU, Arky, and Mizzou that we're dealing with in Memphis.
 
#204
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MemphisCanes said:
Hard to tell what effect a first round loss would have without seeing our matchup.

It's tough rebuilding a program after arguably the best coach in University history left the place a wreck.

Remember this conversation a year from now if Martin is staring at the bubble or worse, looking like he will miss the tournament (not saying he will, but it's always a possibility).

Look at what seasoned coach Steve Lavin is doing with the no. 2 recruiting class this season. Freshmen are hard to coach.
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that is true, matchup could play a big time roll in the reaction.

i was with you when cal was fired i thought they were screwed, pastner has done a good job holding it together somewhat, but i still feel things arent progressing enough. IMO. i guess alot depends on this year to me for him, if he misses the tourney or has a bad first round loss i think the seat should start warming. if he makes a run, well then you give him atleast 2 more years to see if he can build on it.

well in one year ccm wil have only been here 2 years, this is pastners 3rd year. personally, i dont think we can be that much better next year, we are going to have mainly the same lineup and i just think we're missing too much, but i'll wait for seasons end before i make that call. if ccm can manage this team close to the bubble this year, i'll feel better about next year, but in any case 2013 is a judgment year to me.

lavins case i think is a few things. 1. i dont think he's that great of a coach, but that just my opinion. 2. the time he has missed i think has had a big effect, see pat summitt and 3. he plays in the hardest conference. as you're about to find out first hand things can go bad in a hurry in the big east. with that said coaching frosh isnt easy, why what cal does is impressive, but now that 10' class is sophmores, and he has some juniors. as i said how he finishes this year should determine how warm the seat is for next year IMO
 
#205
#205
bleedingTNorange said:
those are valid points and i can see that side. i tend to look at it that he still had a decent team left his first year, his second year was stacked(if cal can do it with frosh why cant josh), this year was supposesd to be a great year for them from everything i heard pre-season. is a 1st round exit acceptable in tiger land?

im not there so i dont get the pulse, but from what i read and hear it seems a 1st round loss would start rumblings. it seems if he loses a couple c-usa games, doesnt win c-usa, and misses the ncaa tournament that things will really heat up. is this accurate or do you think he has a couple more years no matter what?
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what a shock...you've been reading and hearing the wrong things.
 
#206
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MemphisCanes said:
Hard to tell what effect a first round loss would have without seeing our matchup.

It's tough rebuilding a program after arguably the best coach in University history left the place a wreck.

Remember this conversation a year from now if Martin is staring at the bubble or worse, looking like he will miss the tournament (not saying he will, but it's always a possibility).

Look at what seasoned coach Steve Lavin is doing with the no. 2 recruiting class this season. Freshmen are hard to coach.
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exactly.
 
#207
#207
UofMemphis said:
what a shock...you've been reading and hearing the wrong things.
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speaks the guy who doesnt know the difference between memphis being a #9 in the big east and uconn being a #9 and winning the championship!!!

you clearly have little knowledge of any sort of basketball outside of memphis so we'll drop this. make another appearance here in a couple weeks when memphis blows another c-usa title, and probably struggles to be a bubble team.
 
#208
#208
UofMemphis said:
exactly.
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steve lavin had cancer and isnt able to coach his team in practice or games 1/2 the time. kind of a different situation, but ya know i wouldnt expect you to realize that since its not going on in memphis.

one other thing you clearly dont comprehend is lavins class IS freshman this year. pastners teams is full of sophomores and juniors, not all freshman like lavins. but once again i wouldnt expect you to know that.

btw what did lavin do in his first year compared to memphis? there ya go, keep looking dumber and dumber...
 
#209
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bleedingTNorange said:
speaks the guy who doesnt know the difference between memphis being a #9 in the big east and uconn being a #9 and winning the championship!!!

you clearly have little knowledge of any sort of basketball outside of memphis so we'll drop this. make another appearance here in a couple weeks when memphis blows another c-usa title, and probably struggles to be a bubble team.
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excuse me? you said "you should know something about that as a memphis fan, while we were in the tournament 2 years ago you were being embarrassed in the nit. you may wanna reaclimate yourself to it too, because once you join the big east you'll be in the nit frequently."

and i simply pointed out you can finish 9th in the BE and win the NCAA title...sounds like you need a reading comp class.
 
#210
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bleedingTNorange said:
steve lavin had cancer and isnt able to coach his team in practice or games 1/2 the time. kind of a different situation, but ya know i wouldnt expect you to realize that since its not going on in memphis.

one other thing you clearly dont comprehend is lavins class IS freshman this year. pastners teams is full of sophomores and juniors, not all freshman like lavins. but once again i wouldnt expect you to know that.

btw what did lavin do in his first year compared to memphis? there ya go, keep looking dumber and dumber...
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what was it you said? i guess you have an excuse for everything...

UT blows...we're awesome...enjoy not playing us...i'm done here for today.
 
#211
#211
UofMemphis said:
excuse me? you said "you should know something about that as a memphis fan, while we were in the tournament 2 years ago you were being embarrassed in the nit. you may wanna reaclimate yourself to it too, because once you join the big east you'll be in the nit frequently."

and i simply pointed out you can finish 9th in the BE and win the NCAA title...sounds like you need a reading comp class.
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yes you can finish 9th in the BE like uconn did if you play the ooc games and win them like uconn did. has pastner won the games that uconn won last year?

no he hasnt.

that was my point, 1 of 2 things has to happen. ONE you have to schedule some tough ooc games so if you go (8-9) in the big east and finish 9 or 10 that you still have ooc games to boost your rpi. if you play cupcakes in your ooc and then finish 9 or 10 in the conference you wont make the tournament. or TWO you can schedule cupcakes but then you have to play very good in conference and finish say 10-7 or somewhere around there.

memphis doesnt really play many big time schools in the ooc so either they need to play better ooc opponents or they will need to play really well in the BE.

thats the difference with uconn being a 9 seed in the BE and still moving on, if they played only cupcakes and not the teams i listed they probably wouldnt have gotten in.
 
#212
#212
UofMemphis said:
what was it you said? i guess you have an excuse for everything...

UT blows...we're awesome...enjoy not playing us...i'm done here for today.
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last 2 years who's been to the ncaa tournament more? us

ok not fair? how about last 6 years? us

this is the first year in awhile you are truly better than us, and yet your coach is gonna run before we get back on top because he knows its coming.

its ok though have fun blowing the c-usa title again this year, and i expect you to show your face when they do.
 
#217
#217
Little Update on Memphis series per govolsxtra:

the 2012-2013 will be the final year of the contracted games with oakland and memphis, both teams expected to play in memphis. ccm said he's willing to continue the memphis series, but he'll accept whatever athletic director dave hart negotiates without any problem.

martin has said he might be interested in exploring other options that would get the Vols exposure in Memphis, saying UT could discuss playing Arkansas in FedEx Forum or the convention center annually.

"I know Missouri and Illinois play each year in St. Louis-they call it'Arch Madness," martin said.



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haha how funny. thats a slap in the face to memphis, you want to try and keep us out of memphis? good luck, because we'll just schedule neutral site games right in the middle of memphis every damn year. i guarantee you this gets brought up to memphis kids, " memphis is too scared to play us, year in and year out now" . i love CCM stance on this, he definitely is taking a shot at Pastner for being a vag here.
 
#218
#218
Jackson_Harris said:
No need to respond...I realize that someone probably already stole your laptop and/or phone

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LOL just saw this. You funny, dawg.
 
#219
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bleedingTNorange said:
Little Update on Memphis series per govolsxtra:

the 2012-2013 will be the final year of the contracted games with oakland and memphis, both teams expected to play in memphis. ccm said he's willing to continue the memphis series, but he'll accept whatever athletic director dave hart negotiates without any problem.

martin has said he might be interested in exploring other options that would get the Vols exposure in Memphis, saying UT could discuss playing Arkansas in FedEx Forum or the convention center annually.

"I know Missouri and Illinois play each year in St. Louis-they call it'Arch Madness," martin said.



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haha how funny. thats a slap in the face to memphis, you want to try and keep us out of memphis? good luck, because we'll just schedule neutral site games right in the middle of memphis every damn year. i guarantee you this gets brought up to memphis kids, " memphis is too scared to play us, year in and year out now" . i love CCM stance on this, he definitely is taking a shot at Pastner for being a vag here.
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I love it! Coy response so Pastner doesn't whine about having shots taken at him.
 
#222
#222
bleedingTNorange said:
you know Pastner will do whatever he can to keep us out of fedex, that is some funny ish right there, i dont care who you are.
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I thought one of the Mempis trolls said that part of their lease agreement included that no other college teams could play in the Grindhouse.
 
#223
#223
Thrasher865 said:
I thought one of the Mempis trolls said that part of their lease agreement included that no other college teams could play in the Grindhouse.
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One of them did say that so either they are wrong or ccm is wrong. It appears he has a back up gym in place though in Memphis if they can't get in fed ex.

Hell he'd probably play in a HS gym at this point just to get back at pastner for being a giant vag.
 
#225
#225
bleedingTNorange said:
Little Update on Memphis series per govolsxtra:

the 2012-2013 will be the final year of the contracted games with oakland and memphis, both teams expected to play in memphis. ccm said he's willing to continue the memphis series, but he'll accept whatever athletic director dave hart negotiates without any problem.

martin has said he might be interested in exploring other options that would get the Vols exposure in Memphis, saying UT could discuss playing Arkansas in FedEx Forum or the convention center annually.

"I know Missouri and Illinois play each year in St. Louis-they call it'Arch Madness," martin said.



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haha how funny. thats a slap in the face to memphis, you want to try and keep us out of memphis? good luck, because we'll just schedule neutral site games right in the middle of memphis every damn year. i guarantee you this gets brought up to memphis kids, " memphis is too scared to play us, year in and year out now" . i love CCM stance on this, he definitely is taking a shot at Pastner for being a vag here.
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Slap in the face? You still don't seem to understand why Pastner or Cal wanted out of the series. We can't keep people out of Memphis.

We can, however, keep from having to go to Knoxville every other year, play in front of a hostile crowd and take an RPI hit, while not showcasing for any recruits.

It's becoming quite apparent who "needs" this series more from the responses on this message board. Have fun playing Arkansas or Ole Miss in the Forum on a Monday/Tuesday night. That'll be barn burner for sure.
 
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