Doyel says Kiffin not a jerk

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OrangeBalls said:
The team as a whole didn't get better because we had to throw a true freshman QB into the fire against the likes of LSU, Bama, USC and Ark. 4 Top 10 teams for those keeping count at home.

Hell, we weren't probably going to beat them with Bray. We looked as inept as I thought with a true freshman QB going against 4 of the best teams in the nation. After 4 beatdowns the team had gotten beat down.
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I subscribe more to this philosophy/attitude. It's worth 2 minutes of your time.

Jimmy V Remembered - "Don't Give Up, Don't Ever Give Up" Speech (1993 ESPYs) - YouTube
 
#477
#477
OrangeBalls said:
I doubt many coordinators ever spend much time preparing for something that has very little chance of happening in a game.

I don't disagree with that. What I disagree with is that it would have been too time consuming to consider that UK may stick a guy back there to try and run with the ball. They couldn't run and they couldn't pass. What else might they do?

That's not good time management and game planning. They don't have that much prep work during the week for an away game to begin with. They aren't going to waste much time on something that hasn't been seen all year.

Valid point.

A coach is judged a lot on how they can adjust during a game especially when the other team throws them an element of surprise. The defense adjusted for the most part and held them to two drives with the TD drive aided by an official that was blind when the ball was clearly fumbled.


Agreed.

People want to bash Wilcox when the offense and special teams was putrid that day.

Agreed again. I was wrong to word my op the way I did, and I apologize.

Turnovers at bad times and no consistency at all. It was a total team collapse from offense, defense, special teams (our FG kicking was putrid too) and coaching though.
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#478
JayVols said:
I subscribe more to this philosophy/attitude. It's worth 2 minutes of your time.

Jimmy V Remembered - "Don't Give Up, Don't Ever Give Up" Speech (1993 ESPYs) - YouTube
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That's great for a motivational speech, but when you have a group of mainly freshmen and sophomores who have been beaten down over the course of the year then you're going to get what you got at Ky. Like I said, I've seen UT teams come out flat against Ky numerous times before in the past and the talent discrepancy was much wider than last year's titanic tilt. Those teams had enough Sr leadership and talent to overcome any of that even with bad coaching or poor motivation from the coaching staff. Last year's team didn't. Plain and simple.
 
#479
#479
The ky game was an odd day. Wasn't really fired up about it. Then I sawp what they were doing on offense. Our O killed us that day, but ky would have been 3 and out all day and a pick or two with the regular qb.
I said "uh oh" to my wife and told her I had a bad feeling. Still thought we would pull it out somehow, but without that wrench, even a terrible TN team beats them.
 
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#480
Spartacavolus said:
I thought freshmen won some honors. You don't get honors if you digress.
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Again, that's individuals. It's a team sport. The team regressed.

Paul Hornung won the highest individual honor in the sport in 1956. The team was 2-8. Do you think that Notre Dame progressed as a whole that season?
 
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#481
OrangeBalls said:
That's great for a motivational speech, but when you have a group of mainly freshmen and sophomores who have been beaten down over the course of the year then you're going to get what you got at Ky. Like I said, I've seen UT teams come out flat against Ky numerous times before in the past and the talent discrepancy was much wider than last year's titanic tilt. Those teams had enough Sr leadership and talent to overcome any of that even with bad coaching or poor motivation from the coaching staff. Last year's team didn't. Plain and simple.
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Who is responsible for the team being ready to play emotionally and physically?
 
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#482
I have an issue with the talent argument.
Dooley inherited a very good QB in Bray.
This is far and away the most difficult position to coach, and the position that has the biggest impact on the outcome of the game.
The QB position got Fulmer fired, after Ainge sophomore season in 05 and Crompton in 08.
Dooley has no issues at that position.
To me this is a red flag.
That and he's an adequate recruiter not a great one.
 
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#483
JayVols said:
Again, that's individuals. It's a team sport. The team regressed.

Paul Hornung won the highest individual honor in the sport in 1956. The team was 2-8. Do you think that Notre Dame progressed as a whole that season?
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And I still say the team regressed because we had too many key injuries to key players (Bray and Hunter to name two) and the team was stunted by having to play a true freshman QB against 4 Top 10 teams. Not many teams would've improved given that scenario against those teams and having to play so many young guys.

I thought the team bounced back against Vandy after their worse performance of the year against Ark. Even though it was Vandy, Vandy was competitive in almost all their games and gave teams problems and UT found a way to win with a QB coming off a broken thumb. I'd say the players and coaches deserve some credit for that after having played 4 Top 10 teams in 5 games prior and losing 4 of the 5 (Thank God for MTSU).

My main gripe for the entire year was that the OL never got better at run blocking. If we had any kind of run game at all, we win the Ky game and are competitive in other games if Bray is at QB and Hunter is healthy.
 
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JayVols said:
Who is responsible for the team being ready to play emotionally and physically?
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I already said that it was a total team collapse from the offense, defense, special teams and coaching. Again, Fulmer and Majors didn't have their team up for the Ky game numerous times and still won. Why? Because they had better talent and depth. Dooley didn't have that luxury.
 
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#485
JayVols said:
Who is responsible for the team being ready to play emotionally and physically?
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The coach of course. But players have to make a personal commitment too. If our players have to rely on a coach to fire them up for every play, I'm good with playing ones that have some personal accountability instead.

As soon as the team plays for each other and they all hold each other accountable, they will win. As soon as the players on the field making plays are the ones holding their teammates accountable, they will win. Whether it's DD or whomever as HC. Until that occurs, they will lose.
 
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#486
OrangeBalls said:
I already said that it was a total team collapse from the offense, defense, special teams and coaching. Again, Fulmer and Majors didn't have their team up for the Ky game numerous times and still won. Why? Because they had better talent and depth. Dooley didn't have that luxury.
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Being outcoached by Randy Sanders with a 3rd string QB is hard to defend, I give you an A for effort.
 
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WA_Vol said:
I have an issue with the talent argument.
Dooley inherited a very good QB in Bray.
This is far and away the most difficult position to coach, and the position that has the biggest impact on the outcome of the game.
The QB position got Fulmer fired, after Ainge sophomore season in 05 and Crompton in 08.
Dooley has no issues at that position.
To me this is a red flag.
That and he's an adequate recruiter not a great one.
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I'd say the hiring of Clawson helped get Fulmer fired along with him letting recruiting slip and lack of discipline in the program. It wasn't just one thing.

Look at the roster in the Sr class the last two years. Heck, look at it this year. If you can't see that Sr leadership plays a big part in how a team will perform then I don't know what else to tell you. UT's talent has been in the freshman and sophomore classes the last 2 years. You can get away with that in basketball. In football, it's usually a death knell.

And Bray didn't even start until the 9th game of his freshman year. He played in the USC game in the 8th game. So, he started the last 5 games of his freshman year, started the first 5 of his sophomore year, got hurt and missed the next 5 games and played the last two with a bum thumb.

So, in Dooley's 25 games at UT, Bray has started in less than half (12), played half of another (USC), and played injured in 3 of the 12 games he has started. Not exactly what you want to see.
 
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#488
JayVols said:
Again, that's individuals. It's a team sport. The team regressed.

Paul Hornung won the highest individual honor in the sport in 1956. The team was 2-8. Do you think that Notre Dame progressed as a whole that season?
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Apologies. I thought you or someone had said that there was no improvement with freshmen throughout the year.
 
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#491
JayVols said:
I'm not following. Are you saying that freshmen and sophomores can't improve throughout the season? Improvement from where one starts has nothing to do with talent or your competition.
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this is the post. Doesn't say anything about team. You question the lack of freshmen improvement
 
#493
#493
WA_Vol said:
I agree with you there. Starting Bray that game was the decision that cost us that game. He was not well enough to play.
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The problem is though, Worley wouldn't have gotten it done and I doubt Simms does either. Neither had the luxury of a running game so the coaches had to rely on their QB too much. Bray was by far the better of the three but he was probably 50% at best.
 
#494
#494
Vol2424 said:
How about the same guy that called the recruits not having a word to say to the guys who played that one season for him? Walls called O five times and he never answered.

I know what you are getting at , I just know better. If it was done for the right reasons , I would have no problem with it. Ed only cared about himself , that staff and where they were going. Please don't be fooled into thinking otherwise.
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I'm not saying they weren't acting in their best interest. I'm saying that calling the players wasn't some attempt to sabotage Tennessee.
 
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#498
OrangeBalls said:
The problem is though, Worley wouldn't have gotten it done and I doubt Simms does either. Neither had the luxury of a running game so the coaches had to rely on their QB too much. Bray was by far the better of the three but he was probably 50% at best.
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That is another red flag to me.
Worley is Dooley's recruit, the guy he recruited to be the helm when Bray graduates. Lets hope Peterman looks a lot better this fall then Worley.
 
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#500
King Webbsticles said:
JayVols actually was talking about team progression. OrangeBalls brought the freshman and sophomore caveat into the equation.
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No, I said that was one of the reasons the team was stunted, but players still improved. I responded in kind asking if he didn't think Maggitt or Johnson got better as the season went along after he made the post below.

JayVols said:
I'm not following. Are you saying that freshmen and sophomores can't improve throughout the season? Improvement from where one starts has nothing to do with talent or your competition.
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