Doyel says Kiffin not a jerk

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DarthVisor said:
So, talent and depth rather than a lack of decent coaching and ability to gameplan to stop a WR at QB was why UK beat UT last year? Please.
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What? UT's defense did stop the qb. The offense was the issue that day
 
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WA_Vol said:
You're equating a loss that ended a 20+ game winning streak vs UK to a) a game UT struggled to win but still won and b) a loss in the SEC game that would have put UT in the NC game?
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No, I'm saying the talent discrepancy wasn't that wide last year between the two teams when we lost and we barely beat two horrible Ky teams in 1995 and 2001 when the talent discrepancy was as wide as the Grand Canyon. We've struggled to beat Ky with far superior teams. It was bound to happen sometime.

I've seen countless UT-Ky games when UT came out flat and was able to pull it out because of talent and depth. They came out flat and uninspired last year and they didn't have talent, depth or coaching to pull them out of it.
 
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JayVols said:
I'm not following. Are you saying that freshmen and sophomores can't improve throughout the season? Improvement from where one starts has nothing to do with talent or your competition.
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No, I'm saying that freshmen and sophomores are more inclined to be up and down and less consistent than a more experienced team with juniors and seniors.

Do you think Maggitt or AJ Johnson didn't get better as the season went along? They were both freshmen.

Check out the last time UT started 2 true freshmen at LB too. Usually when you play freshmen all over the field like we did, you're going to have your ups and downs.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
And if you inherited a bunch of people that were slackers and loafers then you aren't going to do that well unless you can bring in your own people. Except Dooley couldn't afford to run off (fire in you world) many more players because too many had already left due to the two coaching changes. You seem to have trouble grasping that simple concept.

If you're going to judge a coach on his merits, at least judge him fairly. You're picking out a school like La Tech that might have one decent season every 10 years if they're lucky. Then you're picking out two of the worst years in the history of UT football talent wise after the roster had been gutted. There was a reason not many people were knocking on Hammy's door wanting the job. They knew it was a dumpster fire.

At least wait until he has a full roster of his own guys. The Sr class this year will be thin yet again. Only a few guys from that class will be drafted. I expect at least 8 wins this year. If he doesn't get that and the team doesn't show improvement then I'll be ready for a change.
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If a guy is good enough, he can improve the performance of the garbage they inherit. I don't dispute the lack of talent the last few years. I do question the lack of improvement of the team. Gains should be even easier to achieve if they players you inherit have so much room to get better. It's easy to win with talent. It's says you're a good coach when you win when not blessed with talent.
 
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Volst53 said:
You show me someone that doesn't think effort and how hard you try in life matters, and I'll show you a loser.

Dooley walked into a deck stacked against him, and the fans with any football IQ knows that talent level isn't at the standards of a Tennessee football team. The issue that we have is watching a team half-assing it out on the field playing with no pride or heart.
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I want to coach with you. It would be an honor.
 
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utvolpj said:
What? UT's defense did stop the qb. The offense was the issue that day
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Exactly. You should beat a team when only giving up 10 points. Take out the horrible ruling on the fumble that wasn't called and Chaney trying to get cute when we were going in for a score and we aren't having this discussion.

People tend to forget Bray was still coming off a broken thumb and was sick. That UT team was beaten down by the end of the year. It's not surprising that they lost.
 
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DarthVisor said:
UK shouldn't have sniffed the endzone. The offense didn't help, but the defense shouldn't have allowed them to get a touchdown. They were that bad.
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after the first drive they didn't. The coaches adjusted and fixed it. The blame is on the offense for anyone that watched the game
 
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DarthVisor said:
UK shouldn't have sniffed the endzone. The offense didn't help, but the defense shouldn't have allowed them to get a touchdown. They were that bad.
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And sh*t happens. A team is usually going to give up a drive a half. Even good teams. This wasn't Bama or LSU's defense we are talking about. It's a UT defense that had its share of injuries and was playing freshmen all over the field.
 
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DarthVisor said:
UK shouldn't have sniffed the endzone. The offense didn't help, but the defense shouldn't have allowed them to get a touchdown. They were that bad.
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I hate blaming refs for the most part, but they had a big helping hand with that.

Still will say they deserved to win because we had one of the most pathetic displays of offense ever
 
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utvolpj said:
after the first drive they didn't. The coaches adjusted and fixed it. The blame is on the offense for anyone that watched the game
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It shouldn't have have required adjusting and fixing in the first place. UT was as ill-prepared for that game as a team could possibly be. It was sad.
 
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JayVols said:
If a guy is good enough, he can improve the performance of the garbage they inherit. I don't dispute the lack of talent the last few years. I do question the lack of improvement of the team. Gains should be even easier to achieve if they players you inherit have so much room to get better. It's easy to win with talent. It's says you're a good coach when you win when not blessed with talent.
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I'm not disputing that. We should've beaten a LSU team that was far superior to UT in his first year except we tried to outwit Miles in his own stupid game. The UNC game was a complete meltdown by the officials on how not to officiate a game and a rule was changed because of how that game ended (and UNC was the first team that ruling was used against the very next year in a loss).

I'd say a number of players improved last year. Maggitt, Johnson and Randolph to name a few. It's not like everyone got worse.
 
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DarthVisor said:
It shouldn't have have required adjusting and fixing in the first place. UT was as ill-prepared for that game as a team could possibly be. It was sad.
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so they should have been ready for something they didn't know was happening or even how he would be used? Solid plan
 
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OrangeBalls said:
No, I'm saying that freshmen and sophomores are more inclined to be up and down and less consistent than a more experienced team with juniors and seniors.

Do you think Maggitt or AJ Johnson didn't get better as the season went along? They were both freshmen.

Check out the last time UT started 2 true freshmen at LB too. Usually when you play freshmen all over the field like we did, you're going to have your ups and downs.
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AJ and Curt did improve. The team as a whole didn't. They learned how to lay down and get kicked while they were down.

Players of any age will get by with as much as they are allowed to get by with.
 
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DarthVisor said:
It shouldn't have have required adjusting and fixing in the first place. UT was as ill-prepared for that game as a team could possibly be. It was sad.
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When a coaching staff had no idea that they were going to run the option with a 3rd string QB then how the hell do you prepare for that? You don't. They had the game to adjust not all week. You're not making any sense.
 
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Vol2424 said:
Did you even read the articles? Calling players on campus and telling them not to go to class was the right thing? As much as you "think" it was "absolutely" the right thing , his actions were in USC's best interest. Brandon Willis and his family left town as soon as this happend. And Thompkins who never ended up here had to sit a year because of the coaching change. All of the players had to sit if they left. I'm not sure Coach O knew this , but I really doubt he cared as long as he kept some of the players he spent time recruiting. Not to mention the amount of money Tennessee spent playing for them to fly around the country to do so. According to some of you , it seems that if the last staff slapped your mother , it would somehow be her fault. Just Kiffin and company "absolutely" doing the right thing.
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Let me make it clear. I don't know exactly what was said, but it would have been wrong of Kiffin and staff to not:

a) inform the recruits they were leaving
b) tell the recruits not to go to class if the coaching change would affect their decisions.
 
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utvolpj said:
so they should have been ready for something they didn't know was happening or even how he would be used? Solid plan
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Assuming they had prepared for every possible scenario, which they clearly did not, then yes. It shouldn't be that difficult to anticipate the possibility that a team with nothing to losr may try something new, like using a wildcat-type QB. Things like that are important to consider, esprcially with so much on the line in a game of that nature. That loss is primarily on the offense, though. I will agree with that.
 
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JayVols said:
AJ and Curt did improve. The team as a whole didn't. They learned how to lay down and get kicked while they were down.

Players of any age will get by with as much as they are allowed to get by with.
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The team as a whole didn't get better because we had to throw a true freshman QB into the fire against the likes of LSU, Bama, USC and Ark. 4 Top 10 teams for those keeping count at home.

Hell, we weren't probably going to beat them with Bray. We looked as inept as I thought with a true freshman QB going against 4 of the best teams in the nation. After 4 beatdowns the team had gotten beat down.
 
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DarthVisor said:
Assuming they had prepared for every possible scenario, which they clearly did not, then yes. It shouldn't be that difficult to anticipate the possibility that a team with nothing to losr may try something new, like using a wildcat-type QB. Things like that are important to consider, esprcially with so much on the line in a game of that nature. That loss is primarily on the offense, though. I will agree with that.
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So, you're saying that UT should've wasted time during the week preparing for the option and a player they had no idea would play at QB? Good Lord.

And so much on the line? LOL....
 
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tvolsfan said:
Let me make it clear. I don't know exactly what was said, but it would have been wrong of Kiffin and staff to not:

a) inform the recruits they were leaving
b) tell the recruits not to go to class if the coaching change would affect their decisions.
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How about the same guy that called the recruits not having a word to say to the guys who played that one season for him? Walls called O five times and he never answered.

I know what you are getting at , I just know better. If it was done for the right reasons , I would have no problem with it. Ed only cared about himself , that staff and where they were going. Please don't be fooled into thinking otherwise.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
So, you're saying that UT should've wasted time during the week preparing for the option and a player they had no idea would play at QB? Good Lord.

And so much on the line? LOL....
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It's not really difficult to spend a portion of a practice trying to defend against a wildcatesque offense. It doesn't require a week of preparation. UK can't run and they damn sure can't pass. What else might they try to do to move the ball on us? It's really that simple.

Dooley had a lot on the line in that game. Had he won and then gone on to win a bowl game, how differently would he be viewed? As it stands, he was the coach that broke the winning streak over UK. That hasn't helped his reputation.
 
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JayVols said:
I'm not following. Are you saying that freshmen and sophomores can't improve throughout the season? Improvement from where one starts has nothing to do with talent or your competition.
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I thought freshmen won some honors. You don't get honors if you digress.
 
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DarthVisor said:
It's not really difficult to spend a portion of a practice trying to defend against a wildcatesque offense. It doesn't require a week of preparation.

Dooley had a lot on the line in that game. Had he won and then gone on to win a bowl game, how differently would he be viewed? As it stands, he was the coach that broke the winning streak over UK. That hasn't helped his reputation.
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I doubt many coordinators ever spend much time preparing for something that has very little chance of happening in a game. That's not good time management and game planning. They don't have that much prep work during the week for an away game to begin with. They aren't going to waste much time on something that hasn't been seen all year.

A coach is judged a lot on how they can adjust during a game especially when the other team throws them an element of surprise. The defense adjusted for the most part and held them to two drives with the TD drive aided by an official that was blind when the ball was clearly fumbled.

People want to bash Wilcox when the offense and special teams was putrid that day. Turnovers at bad times and no consistency at all. It was a total team collapse from offense, defense, special teams (our FG kicking was putrid too) and coaching though.
 
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