Duke/UNC Official Thread 2021/2022 (K’s Last Hurrah Edition)

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Vol423 said:
I know. I’m needling him. I don’t see the point in hating Dean Smith, Roy Williams, or Coach K. They were all great coaches and good, albeit flawed, men.
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Billy Donovan and I both have valid points in hating Roy Williams, but yes he is a HoF coach with flaws.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Where have you been the past 6-7 years?
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Gotcha. I’m new to this thread, albeit not the forum in general.

Williams was definitely a polarizing guy, like K.

I have no issues saying that Smith, Williams, and Rat ahem, K, are all great coaches but arrogant flawed men. To be successful at that level, I think you almost HAVE to have an “@$$hole” streak. Not to say they are bad people or evil or anything, but neither are they the pillars of sainthood some folks want them to be.
 
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VolInNW said:
Gotcha. I’m new to this thread, albeit not the forum in general.

Williams was definitely a polarizing guy, like K.

I have no issues saying that Smith, Williams, and Rat ahem, K, are all great coaches but arrogant flawed men. To be successful at that level, I think you almost HAVE to have an “@$$hole” streak. Not to say they are bad people or evil or anything, but neither are they the pillars of sainthood some folks want them to be.
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Ask @RDU VOL#14 about the time Duke lost to Syracuse by 30 I want to say. He may be an ******* but it’s takes one sometimes to win at a high level
 
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volfanhill said:
It wasn't 50-50. He's won more then they have. Also he started at the bottom and had to build up. He has won obviously more at Duke then UNC has. Even though they have won a bunch too. Bottom line. If K coaches UNC he would be their greatest coach too. And that's ignoring the whole 25 years of cheating we all know UNC did. Turned out Carolina way was dirty as hell
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Duke isn't exactly squeaky clean.
 
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Voltime123 said:
Am I wrong lol?
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Yeah. You were minimizing the severity of the situation with the way you phrased it. You know that though.

I don’t need to go back and forth with you or anyone else about K’s record in 94-95. That’s something of little consequence to me. If you need the wins over that team to get to .500 vs K be my guest. Maybe if Roy hadn’t choked away multiple games to lesser Duke teams Coach K would be sub .500 vs UNC, but he isn’t. It’s something that UNC fans worry about more than Duke fans anyway. Which is pretty much par for the course. You spend way more time worrying about Duke than Duke does worrying about you.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Yeah. You were minimizing the severity of the situation with the way you phrased it. You know that though.

I don’t need to go back and forth with you or anyone else about K’s record in 94-95. That’s something of little consequence to me. If you need the wins over that team to get to .500 vs K be my guest. Maybe if Roy hadn’t choked away multiple games to lesser Duke teams Coach K would be sub .500 vs UNC, but he isn’t. It’s something that UNC fans worry about more than Duke fans anyway. Which is pretty much par for the course. You spend way more time worrying about Duke than Duke does worrying about you.
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If you say so
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Yeah. You were minimizing the severity of the situation with the way you phrased it. You know that though.

I don’t need to go back and forth with you or anyone else about K’s record in 94-95. That’s something of little consequence to me. If you need the wins over that team to get to .500 vs K be my guest. Maybe if Roy hadn’t choked away multiple games to lesser Duke teams Coach K would be sub .500 vs UNC, but he isn’t. It’s something that UNC fans worry about more than Duke fans anyway. Which is pretty much par for the course. You spend way more time worrying about Duke than Duke does worrying about you.
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Guys, I love to argue as much as anyone, but the final K record vs UNC is 50-48. Literally 1 game over .500. A dead heat for all intents and purposes (or intensive purposes on the FB board). I don’t get what you are arguing over.

I had no idea what the record was until I googled it last night. I think it’s fitting that it’s a dead heat. I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about past games, just the next one.

Now...back to the spat......
 
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VolInNW said:
Guys, I love to argue as much as anyone, but the final K record vs UNC is 50-48. Literally 1 game over .500. A dead heat for all intents and purposes (or intensive purposes on the FB board). I don’t get what you are arguing over.

I had no idea what the record was until I googled it last night. I think it’s fitting that it’s a dead heat. I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about past games, just the next one.

Now...back to the spat......
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No need for anything to continue.
 
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Coach K's 50-48 record against against NC is one reason of many that Duke-NC is the GOAT rivalry in all of sports...... Arguably the GOAT coach of all-time against a school that is located only 7 miles away...... Whew, try to beat that. On top of that, UNC might be one of the 1st schools, if not the first to have a rookie coach win a national championship. And this was only about a month ago was very lucky to get into the tournament....... Great stuff, great history.
 
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orange blossom said:
Coach K's 50-48 record against against NC is one reason of many that Duke-NC is the GOAT rivalry in all of sports...... Arguably the GOAT coach of all-time against a school that is located only 7 miles away...... Whew, try to beat that. On top of that, UNC might be one of the 1st schools, if not the first to have a rookie coach win a national championship. And this was only about a month ago was very lucky to get into the tournament....... Great stuff, great history.
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I try to equate it to having Florida located in Farragut and both teams are mostly playing at a mid 1990’s to early 2000’s level of play.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I try to equate it to having Florida located in Farragut and both teams are mostly playing at a mid 1990’s to early 2000’s level of play.
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The Carolina/Duke rivalry is a FAR more even rivalry than UT/Florida has ever been. Even when UT was consistently a very good team in the 90's, we still took it in the shorts against Florida more often than not.
 
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Vol423 said:
The Carolina/Duke rivalry is a FAR more even rivalry than UT/Florida has ever been. Even when UT was consistently a very good team in the 90's, we still took it in the shorts against Florida more often than not.
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I agree . I used that comparison because that’s when we were at our best and the intensity of the rivalry was at its highest. From 1998-2006 every game with the exception of the 2002 monsoon debacle was pretty much a 4 quarter game.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Both.

I should have worded it better
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So the -4 basically means that Kansas is considered the favorite and starts the game with a 4 point lead. As a bettor, If you take the points, that means you are betting on the underdog. So they would need to either win the game outright or lose by three points or less for you to win the bet. If you lay the points, you’re betting on the favorite, meaning that in this scenario, Kansas would need to win by 5 points or more for you to win the bet.
 
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Boston Vol said:
So the -4 basically means that Kansas is considered the favorite and starts the game with a 4 point lead. As a bettor, If you take the points, that means you are betting on the underdog. So they would need to either win the game outright or lose by three points or less for you to win the bet. If you lay the points, you’re betting on the favorite, meaning that in this scenario, Kansas would need to win by 5 points or more for you to win the bet.
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Thank you. I was completely wrong.
 
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VolInNW said:
Gotcha. I’m new to this thread, albeit not the forum in general.

Williams was definitely a polarizing guy, like K.

I have no issues saying that Smith, Williams, and Rat ahem, K, are all great coaches but arrogant flawed men. To be successful at that level, I think you almost HAVE to have an “@$$hole” streak. Not to say they are bad people or evil or anything, but neither are they the pillars of sainthood some folks want them to be.
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To be successful at that level (as either a coach or player) you have to be what I think most "normal" people would agree is a poorly-adjusted person. They aren't like normal people - they prioritize winning and their careers way above their families or anything else in their life.

Nick Saban works what are probably 100 hour weeks during the football season, and at various other times in the calendar works probably close to that. He's 70 years old, likely has a net worth in the hundreds of millions of dollars, and has young grandkids. Yet he's out here recruiting and running another spring practice for the 2022 season, which will be his 49th season in coaching. 99.999% of people in his position would have throttled down years ago. He, and other guys who are doing what he's doing, just aren't normal human beings.
 
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Boston Vol said:
So the -4 basically means that Kansas is considered the favorite and starts the game with a 4 point lead. As a bettor, If you take the points, that means you are betting on the underdog. So they would need to either win the game outright or lose by three points or less for you to win the bet. If you lay the points, you’re betting on the favorite, meaning that in this scenario, Kansas would need to win by 5 points or more for you to win the bet.
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Of course, ask Duke how much being the favorite means. They were favored by 4 over Carolina. UCLA was favored by 2.5 points over Carolina. Baylor was favored by 8 points over Carolina.
 
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