Duke/UNC Official Thread 2021/2022 (K’s Last Hurrah Edition)

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Volfan8282 said:
I guess we have no choice but to trust Scheyer, but would’ve preferred a different route here. Is Schrage known as an elite recruiter or developer of talent? He had a terrible record at Elon but I have no context for that job. I know he has Duke ties, but this doesn’t strike me as a wow hire.
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Not that I’m aware of . I guess he brings previous head coaching experience. He also worked as assistant under Johnny Dawkins at Stanford, asst at Ohio State and Butler.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Not that I’m aware of . I guess he brings previous head coaching experience. He also worked as assistant under Johnny Dawkins at Stanford, asst at Ohio State and Butler.
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Yeah I would’ve gone back to Wojo if it’s something he would’ve considered. He developed big men like nobody’s business. At this rate, he may be able to pick off Capel in another year.

Again, trust Scheyer to do what’s best but going outside the Duke family may be on the table now too.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Not that I’m aware of . I guess he brings previous head coaching experience. He also worked as assistant under Johnny Dawkins at Stanford, asst at Ohio State and Butler.
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And now you will understand what the Carolina fans went through. Obviously it paid off once they bought in but I wonder what year 2 will show. The fans will demand he finish what he started but with roster turnover I wonder how he’ll handle it.

My hatred of Duke will never die but I hope John finds some degree of success. I don’t think anyone would want him to fall flat on his face. Following K will be the likes of following Saban. I just hope he never has the streak against Carolina that Saban has against Tennessee
 
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Dudleys87 said:
And now you will understand what the Carolina fans went through. Obviously it paid off once they bought in but I wonder what year 2 will show. The fans will demand he finish what he started but with roster turnover I wonder how he’ll handle it.

My hatred of Duke will never die but I hope John finds some degree of success. I don’t think anyone would want him to fall flat on his face. Following K will be the likes of following Saban. I just hope he never has the streak against Carolina that Saban has against Tennessee
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Scheyer, much like Hubert, is a very likable guy. I’m sure some fans will bring back the “Scheyer face” thing from his time a player, but for the most part i think the dislike factor will change. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still Duke and Carolina, but K Rat stuff will be gone, now with Roy also gone the aww shucks Huckleberry routine will subside, Even though he still shows up at every game. I’m sure Scheyer will have some bumps in the road along the way, but I have a lot of confidence in him. His recruiting ability is proven and he knows the standard. We’ll see what happens.

I don’t think Duke or Carolina will ever fall flat enough to keep a Saban like streak alive. Sometimes I don’t think our guys here in Knoxville respect the rivalry enough vs Bama. It’s like they’ve already won the game before they get off the bus. I think We’ve had 3 competitive games since around 2009. That must change and I do think Heupel is in the process of changing that.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Great article about Scheyer
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Totally agree, he needs to be himself.

Of course, going to a FF your first year would help, too! :cool: Davis says "hi"!

All joking aside, K left him more than Williams left Davis, so it should be an easier road.
 
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VolInNW said:
Totally agree, he needs to be himself.

Of course, going to a FF your first year would help, too! :cool: Davis says "hi"!

All joking aside, K left him more than Williams left Davis, so it should be an easier road.
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I’m worried that the Carolina faithful will bring out the pitchforks sooner rather than later if Davis doesent finish what he started nxt season. A lot of people don’t understand that if most of the guys go pro Davis has slim pickings and it won’t be the same outcome.
 
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VolInNW said:
Totally agree, he needs to be himself.

Of course, going to a FF your first year would help, too! :cool: Davis says "hi"!

All joking aside, K left him more than Williams left Davis, so it should be an easier road.
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I think everyone was amazed with that Final Four run. I don’t mean to takeaway from Hubert’s coaching job, because he figured out the best way to get the most out of his guys, but your guys played out of their minds for the past 6 weeks. Of course that is coaching, but Caleb Love blacking out versus UCLA or Manek going crazy before the bogus ejection vs Baylor is something that is very hard to duplicate. Not many teams can go on that kind of run. While critics can rightfully give Hubert all the accolades in the world , I think he’s in a tough spot going forward because he set the bar so high in year 1. Hell 8 weeks ago I posted how UNC might not make the tournament, and I was right…at the time.

With K you’ve been critical about his handling of his last year . I understand it, but you basically just said that Scheyer is in better shape than HD was. I think that a big part of the transition was making sure Scheyer was in good shape. I think next year will be interesting, Duke should be good. If Keels comes back then Duke could be very good.

Dudleys87 said:
I’m worried that the Carolina faithful will bring out the pitchforks sooner rather than later if Davis doesent finish what he started nxt season. A lot of people don’t understand that if most of the guys go pro Davis has slim pickings and it won’t be the same outcome.
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I have it on pretty good authority that Love is gone. Was told that today by someone who would know.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
I’m worried that the Carolina faithful will bring out the pitchforks sooner rather than later if Davis doesent finish what he started nxt season. A lot of people don’t understand that if most of the guys go pro Davis has slim pickings and it won’t be the same outcome.
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Agree. He probably has another 2-3 years to build consistency based on the run, but as with most thigs in life, It's a double edged sword.

RDU VOL#14 said:
With K you’ve been critical about his handling of his last year . I understand it, but you basically just said that Scheyer is in better shape than HD was. I think that a big part of the transition was making sure Scheyer was in good shape. I think next year will be interesting, Duke should be good. If Keels comes back then Duke could be very good.
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A side benefit is certainly some degree of predictability, but the biggest reason Dook is set better for next year than UNC is the simple fact that K is a better recruiter than Davis. At this point in their careers, that should shock no one.

In the era of 1 and done, in the next 2-3 years we will see if Scheyer is better than Davis.

In my opinion, the driving factor of K deciding on the announcement was his ego. Reasonable minds can differ on the mix, but some Dookies (not you) who seem to believe it was all to benefit the program and no ego was involved are living in a world where K is a saint.
 
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VolInNW said:
A side benefit is certainly some degree of predictability, but the biggest reason Dook is set better for next year than UNC is the simple fact that K is a better recruiter than Davis. At this point in their careers, that should shock no one.
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Except he didn’t recruit any of the players coming in next year. But you knew that.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
Except he didn’t recruit any of the players coming in next year. But you knew that.
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Well, since I don't follow Dook recruiting, in fact, no, I didn't know that. The news that K has no involvement in the recruitment of any incoming players comes as a total shock to me.

But hey, don't let me stand in the way of you getting off a snarky zinger.

Good grief.
 
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VolInNW said:
Well, since I don't follow Dook recruiting, in fact, no, I didn't know that. The news that K has no involvement in the recruitment of any incoming players comes as a total shock to me.

But hey, don't let me stand in the way of you getting off a snarky zinger.

Good grief.
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Just messing with you Nancy. Why does it come as a total shock to you? That was the driving reason why he announced his retirement early… so that he wouldn’t be lying to incoming recruits that he would be their coach when he knew that wouldn’t be the case.

But that doesn’t fit your narrative that Coach K is a narcissist and wanted a year-long retirement party. Carry on.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
Just messing with you Nancy. Why does it come as a total shock to you? That was the driving reason why he announced his retirement early… so that he wouldn’t be lying to incoming recruits that he would be their coach when he knew that wouldn’t be the case.

But that doesn’t fit your narrative that Coach K is a narcissist and wanted a year-long retirement party. Carry on.
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Gotcha, Sport. Your first post implied he did not recruit any of the incoming class, which your second post contradicts. I hope the sarcasm ("shocked") in my post didn't sail over you. I am rarely shocked by anything these days.

And I don't understand why this has to be binary (it is either all about ego or all altruistic concern for the program). If you read my posts, I have stated it is likely a blend, I just think he was in it for the ego as the dominant factor, understanding it also had a benefit for transparency.

But please, again, carry on.
 
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VolInNW said:
Gotcha, Sport. Your first post implied he did not recruit any of the incoming class, which your second post contradicts. I hope the sarcasm ("shocked") in my post didn't sail over you. I am rarely shocked by anything these days.

And I don't understand why this has to be binary (it is either all about ego or all altruistic concern for the program). If you read my posts, I have stated it is likely a blend, I just think he was in it for the ego as the dominant factor, understanding it also had a benefit for transparency.

But please, again, carry on.
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I don’t think my posts were confusing but maybe so. To be clear, K didn’t recruit any of the 2022 freshmen.

You keep posting things about K being egotistical. What examples do you have on this front? I’m sure he has some ego… would probably be strange if he didn’t. But, to expound that to the point of him wanting a year-long retirement party is overboard. He deflects praise consistently. Talks about his players rather than himself. Talks about how lucky he’s been. Surrounded by great people. Those aren’t trademarks of an egotistical maniac which is what you’d have to be to want a year-long retirement party. I hear this type of thing all the time but without anything to back it up.

But, not going to change your mind I’m sure. He’s the former Coach Ratface for Dook. Very original. Have a good one.
 
#896
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RDU VOL#14 said:
So the entire East region is preseason top 4? We’ll see . Duke and Tennessee round out the top 10 at 9 and 10.
I don’t see UNC bringing everyone back for a #2 ranking. Not from what I’ve been told.
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I agree about UNC not getting their entire team back. Baylor is in the same boat as two players have already hired agents. Waaay too early before the draft and potential transfers.
 
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I wouldn’t put Carolina #2 even if everybody comes back. Manek is done for certain and we just caught lightning in a bottle late in the year. Definitely improved as the year went on, earned their way to the title game, but played with essentially a 6 man “rotation” that isn’t sustainable over the long haul.
 
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Regulator said:
I wouldn’t put Carolina #2 even if everybody comes back. Manek is done for certain and we just caught lightning in a bottle late in the year. Definitely improved as the year went on, earned their way to the title game, but played with essentially a 6 man “rotation” that isn’t sustainable over the long haul.
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But y'all did what the tournament requires... you gelled as a team at the right time of the season and were under seeded because of your early season record. Perfect storm... maybe...but that's how the system is set up. I'm just happy we could take y'all to OT.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
I don’t think my posts were confusing but maybe so. To be clear, K didn’t recruit any of the 2022 freshmen.

You keep posting things about K being egotistical. What examples do you have on this front? I’m sure he has some ego… would probably be strange if he didn’t. But, to expound that to the point of him wanting a year-long retirement party is overboard. He deflects praise consistently. Talks about his players rather than himself. Talks about how lucky he’s been. Surrounded by great people. Those aren’t trademarks of an egotistical maniac which is what you’d have to be to want a year-long retirement party. I hear this type of thing all the time but without anything to back it up.

But, not going to change your mind I’m sure. He’s the former Coach Ratface for Dook. Very original. Have a good one.
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I doubt either of us will change the other's mind. :cool::cool:;)

That said, I never called him an 'egotistical maniac', I have simply stated that I believe the major factor of his decision to go on his retirement tour was for the attention and adoration. As for his statements, heck, Saban makes those kind of coachspeak statements all the time, but it is pretty darned obvious that Saban's ego is monumental. K is a smart man, and makes the appropriate coachspeak statements. But he, likewise, strikes me as possessing a monumental ego. Doesn't make him a 'maniac' or 'narcissist', but it does make him, in my opinion, a very prideful and ego-driven person who adored all of the attention and praise he received during the tour.

Many Dook fans see him as largely a humble, altruistic man who endured the retirement tour for the benefit of the program, and hated all the attention.

I'm just glad it is over, and pretty psyched we have the last two meetings forever as dubs against him.

What will @RDU VOL#14 call the thread next year......THAT is the $1MM question!!!
 
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Regulator said:
I wouldn’t put Carolina #2 even if everybody comes back. Manek is done for certain and we just caught lightning in a bottle late in the year. Definitely improved as the year went on, earned their way to the title game, but played with essentially a 6 man “rotation” that isn’t sustainable over the long haul.
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If the Bacot projection is late 2 early 3 I can’t imagine any of them getting a high grade
 
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